NY - UnitedHealthcare CEO Brian Thompson fatally shot in Midtown. #10 *Arrest*

[Cryptic]

That's how opiates ended up everywhere - compensating pharmacies for distributing specific prescription drugs.

THere were other factors as well. Pharmacies cannot distribute any of those drugs to people who lack prescriptions.

Other factors include "pill mill" doctors willing to write prescriptions with effectively no questions asked.

 

[Tiff23fr]

Another update, this time pointing out gaps - a work in progress. The timeline is entirely based on links provided at this website. Please feel free to make corrections/ updates.

EARLY
childhood - spondylolisthesis diagnosis

EDUCATION
2016 - completed high school; nominated valedictorian
2020 - completed engineering bachelor degree in computers and MSc. (2 degrees in 4 years; remarkable)

WORK
November 2020 - started work with True Car, Inc. in California
December 2020-December 2021 - ?? WHERE WAS HE? SF?
January 2022 - moved to Surfbreak, Honolulu remote-workers community
Early 2022 - Surfbreak co-living community, Honolulu, active in daily sports
January 2022 - sciatica, beginner surf lesson injury, one week in bed
February 2022 - slipped on piece of paper, right glute locked and right leg shut down for a week, leg couldn't support weight
March 2022 - nerve pain issues, experienced pain off and on
April 2022 - left Surfbreak community due to a lifelong back injury exacerbated by physical activity on the island, sought medical treatment on the East Coast
?? May-December 2022 - living in San Fransisco?
January 2023 - returned to Hawaii "briefly in early 2023", co-started a book club; several members left due to discomfort in book choices (Unabomber manifesto)
?? date 2023 - met President of the Penn Club of Hawaii briefly at Shangri La Museum of Islamic Art, Culture & Design in Honolulu
June 14 2023 - lost job due to True Car Inc. restructuring, kept it secret from family until arrest

UNEMPLOYED TRAVELLER
July 4 2023 - experienced another injury, went to hospital
July 27 2023 - had spinal fusion surgery on East Coast (check date)
August 2023 - reported surgery was successful 8 days post-surgery
?? date Japan - perhaps looking for work?
November-December 2023 - Hawaii, visiting Maui, Big Island, Oahu
December 2023 - returned to Baltimore to see his family.
February 2024 - Mangione said the surgery came "after 1.5 years of failed conservative treatment." (Jan 2022-July 2023)
Early 2024 - Mangione traveled to Asia for several months
April 2024 - Thailand

CONTEMPLATING MURDER
May 25 2024 - last reddit post where he endorsed back surgery
June 10 2024 - last twitter post; anniversary of Unabomber death by suicide, final X.com post shared: impact of smart phones and social media on mental health and brain plasticity
?? 2024 - San Francisco?
July 2024 - friend wrote that he hadn’t heard from Mangione in months regarding wedding commitment
July 2024 - began forming murder plan, stopped talking to friends and family
September-October 2024 - Honolulu
September 2024 - Mangione removed phone number from WhatsApp group for Penn alumni in Hawaii
October 2024 - friend asks Mangione on twitter whether he is okay
November 18 2024 - reported missing by mother in San Francisco.
December 4 2024 - shoots a stranger in the back

Another add:
Stanford University as a head counselor

“We can confirm that a person by the name of Luigi Mangione was employed as a head counselor under the Stanford Pre-Collegiate Studies program between May and September of 2019,” Stanford spokesperson Dee Mostofi told KCRA 3 in a statement.

SF police sent the FBI a tip identifying Luigi Mangione days before his arrest, report says

San Francisco police recognized Luigi Mangione and passed on a tip to the FBI four days before the 26-year-old was arrested in connection with the deadly shooting of UnitedHealthcare CEO Brian Thompson, the San Francisco Chronicle reported.

www.kcra.com

 

[Tiff23fr]

(Deleted a portion of my response as it was repetitive. Did not mean to reply to both posters on same topic.)



Perhaps this has already been addressed, but in case it has not, LM’s landlord/friend has stated it was him (the landlord) and another club member, not LM, who suggested reading Ted K’s manifesto in the book club. Landlord has always wanted to read it and thought assigning it to the club would force him to read it. Most club members didn’t make it through the first chapter. Landlord did not recall LM having unusual or passionate feelings about it.

A link for the book club:
As RJ put it ... he and another member "half-jokingly" suggested they give the controversial work a go for one of their reads -- but noted most members of the club struggled to get through the first couple chapters.

Luigi Mangione's Friend Recalls Reading Unabomber Manifesto Together

Luigi Mangione, who is suspected of killing UnitedHealthcare CEO Brian Thompson, may have been a big fan of Unabomber Ted Kaczynski's manifesto ... but didn't let on to his friends about this.

www.tmz.com

 

[Mica]

I don't think that is an unusual clause in a will. She died in 2013 (he would have been 15) and the grandfather died in 2008. They had like 25 grandkids!

Perhaps the clause was recommended by the grandmother’s estate attorney when drawing up the will?

 

[NuttMegg]

Another add:
Stanford University as a head counselor

“We can confirm that a person by the name of Luigi Mangione was employed as a head counselor under the Stanford Pre-Collegiate Studies program between May and September of 2019,” Stanford spokesperson Dee Mostofi told KCRA 3 in a statement.

SF police sent the FBI a tip identifying Luigi Mangione days before his arrest, report says

San Francisco police recognized Luigi Mangione and passed on a tip to the FBI four days before the 26-year-old was arrested in connection with the deadly shooting of UnitedHealthcare CEO Brian Thompson, the San Francisco Chronicle reported.

www.kcra.com

Jooc I wonder what "pre collegiate studies" looks like, generally. In the university where I finally finished a science degree in later life, there was a huge remedial program especially in math, chem, etc, to get students up to snuff before they could enter "real" college classes, or who wanted free tutoring while they were enrolled in the real thing. I took advantage of the math tutoring, young gun ho mostly computer guys/gals were the tutors, advanced students, even post grads picking up side cash. That sounds like what Stanford has going there, although I have to mull it over, why the best of the best, supposedly choosing the best students would need something like that.

 

[Bounceycat]

Jooc I wonder what "pre collegiate studies" looks like, generally. In the university where I finally finished a science degree in later life, there was a huge remedial program especially in math, chem, etc, to get students up to snuff before they could enter "real" college classes, or who wanted free tutoring. I took advantage of the math tutoring, young gun ho mostly computer guys/gals were the tutors, advanced students, even post grads picking up side cash. That sounds like what Stanford has going there, although I have to mull it over, why the best of the best, supposedly choosing the best students would need something like that.

It's a highly competitive enrichment program for gifted high schoolers.

 

[Cryptic]

I'm quite baffled as to why things such as barrels, bolts and slides weren't made controlled components in the Gun Control Act 1968 when frames/receivers were, tbh. They are here even though the vast majority don't have serial numbers. You still can't just go and buy them off the shelf. Indeed, a "component part" (those mentioned above), along with sound mods, are firearms in their own right here. You can't have a collection of parts to make a gun minus the receiver.

I think the issue of parts was divided into two types:

A- Parts that can serve as the foundation to create a second working gun (receivers, frames etc)

B- Parts that can be used to modify an existing gun, but cant serve as the foundation to create a second working gun (barrels, slides, trigger mechanisms etc.)

The lack of controls on "B" parts might be due to the interests of hobbyists and vendors. There is a small industry centered on upgrading guns to competition standards and /or "tricking out" (in some cases "pimping out"?) guns appearance wise with cool add ons.

Controls on B parts would impact the ease of which the hobby could be pursed?

 

[NuttMegg]

It's a highly competitive enrichment program for gifted high schoolers.

After they have been accepted to Stanford?

 

[Marantz4250b]

I don't think that is an unusual clause in a will. She died in 2013 (he would have been 15) and the grandfather died in 2008. They had like 25 grandkids!

Been meaning to reply to this but kept missing it. To be honest, it appears to be a very strange clause to me and I wonder how legally effective it would be.

I can see the theory behind cutting out someone who had been convicted of a felony but not merely because they had been indicted, let alone arrested for one. It sounds like a very good way of a potential beneficiary getting rid of other beneficiaries by getting them arrested.

Seems highly unlikely that a "morality" clause could take effect when the immoral behavior it seeks to guard against may not even have been undertaken.

 

[Cryptic]

Jooc I wonder what "pre collegiate studies" looks like, generally. In the university where I finally finished a science degree in later life, there was a huge remedial program especially in math, chem, etc, to get students up to snuff before they could enter "real" college classes. That sounds like what Stanford has going there, although I have to mull it over, why the best of the best, supposedly choosing the best students would need something like that.

I think the answer could be..... grade inflation- a phenomena sweeping the nation's high schools.

Show up for class? You get a "C". Due a little bit of work after showing up? That is a "B". Do some real, but by no means exhaustive, work? Looking at an "A".

Grade inflation also includes designating classes as "advanced" when they are not and classifying students as "gifted" when they are not. This creates an environment where, as one humor author stated "Everyone's child is above average".

SAT scores can help identify grade inflation. But... the SAT is not really college level math and can be practiced for. With high end private cram tutoring, an average student can appear to be a good student SAT wise and a good student can appear to be a brilliant student.

 

[Bounceycat]

After they have been accepted to Stanford?

No, anyone can apply. It sounds similar to the Duke TIP program, if you're familiar with that. Think intense, prestigious gifted kid summer camp.

 

[SleuthJan]

I think the answer could be..... grade inflation- a phenomena sweeping the nation's high schools.

Show up for class? You get a "C". Due a little bit of work after showing up? That is a "B". Do some real, but by no means exhaustive, work? Looking at an "A".

Grade inflation also includes designating classes as "advanced" when they are not and classifying students as "gifted" when they are not. This creates an environment where, as one humor author stated "Everyone's child is above average".

SAT scores can help identify grade inflation. But... the SAT is not really college level math and can be practiced for. With high end private cram tutoring, an average student can appear to be a good student SAT wise and a good student can appear to be a brilliant student.

AFAIK the pre collegiate courses are something you can pay for and enroll in, doesn’t say much about the intellectual prowess of the kid. The true stars are being identified in elite competitions like AMC and Regeneron or in test in programs like RSI at MIT.

 

[SleuthJan]

No, anyone can apply. It sounds similar to the Duke TIP program, if you're familiar with that. Think intense, prestigious gifted kid summer camp.

I posted earlier, but aren’t many of these pay-to-play? RSI at MIT is one that I’ve heard is truly hard to get into.

 

[Jackalina]

I believe the "fire" is Mt kilauea, which is an active volcano in HI

Kīlauea - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Kīlauea became a tourist attraction in the 1840s, and businessmen such as Benjamin Pitman and George Lycurgus operated a series of hotels at the rim, including Volcano House, which is the only hotel or restaurant located within Hawaiʻi Volcanoes National Park.[135]

Kilauea is on Hawai'i Island not Oahu so he would have had to already be here for one of the eruptions or have quickly jumped a flight in order to see it. 2023 was not a year with a constant flow. There were three eruptions: January, June and September.

 

[Bounceycat]

I posted earlier, but aren’t many of these pay-to-play? RSI at MIT is one that I’ve heard is truly hard to get into.

If it's anything like Duke TIP was, there were always way more applications than slots available. I don't know if/how that's changed since Covid though - Covid actually ended up shutting Duke TIP down for good due to financial issues.

 

[Warwick7]

Has his grandmother already passed away?

If her descendant gets a felony charge after they have already inherited, do they have to give it back??

I think the article said they have to be proved guilty in a court of law first. M00

 

[Warwick7]

This is why the whole country is watching this case, and the sympathy for Brian Thompson is so low.

And sympathy for health insurace industry is so low.

This industry is extremely powerful. And as I said earlier, there are no checks and balances. And this AI being "given" the authority to spew out denials in its algorithm is....disturbing.
In turn, LM became Jesse James to the masses.
(LM may have put the healthcare industry on notice, same as others are doing now, but it will die out eventually. Why? Because powers that be have their hand in the till.) M00

 

[Warwick7]

“Oscar-winning documentary filmmaker Alex Gibney will produce a documentary about the Dec. 4 killing of UnitedHealthcare CEO Brian Thompson and his accused killer, 26-year-old University of Pennsylvania graduate Luigi Mangione, his production company announced less than two weeks after Thompson’s killing.”

Luigi Mangione Documentary In The Works: Here’s What We Know

Alex Gibney, an Oscar-winning documentary filmmaker, will produce the film.

www.forbes.com

I am not surprised.

 

[Kapua]

I think the article said they have to be proved guilty in a court of law first. M00

I think it's a moot point at this juncture. He had $8000 in cold US cash and an additional $2000 in foreign currency (!) on his person when he was arrested. Clearly, he was well-fixed financially, and he won't be needing much cash where he is going.

 

[Kapua]

And sympathy for health insurace industry is so low.

This industry is extremely powerful. And as I said earlier, there are no checks and balances. And this AI being "given" the authority to spew out denials in its algorithm is....disturbing.
In turn, LM became Jesse James to the masses.
(LM may have put the healthcare industry on notice, same as others are doing now, but it will die out eventually. Why? Because powers that be have their hand in the till.) M00

Spot on, but I hate that I have to agree. It has been proven time and time again that the insurance industry is uber powerful. Years ago in CA, we had several insurance initiatives on our ballot and one succeeded. It was prop 102, IIRC. The insurance industry, instead of complying with the will of the people, chose to fight it with their money and their powerful attorneys. That was many years ago, but I was so disgusted by it that I did not vote at all for a few years. MOO