NY - UnitedHealthcare CEO Brian Thompson fatally shot in Midtown. #10 *Arrest*

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  • #321
I absolutely think she's going to do it for mate's rates if not free. What she gets out of this in publicity is worth gold to her.
She is already quite advanced in years so can’t see what she would gain out of that, if she was a young lawyer on the up wanting to make a name/reputation for herself I would agree but even I had heard of her and I live in UK
 
  • #322
He liked people and being engaged with people. He was energized by his friends, leading a book club, traveling, meeting new people while traveling and seems to have been a likeable, caring person who connected well with people.

Clearly something happened that caused a major personality change with distorted thinking. Besides his physical illnesses, he seems to have also developed some type of mental illness. IMO

What I notice is that he was partaking in friendship via friend group/living arrangements. He was once in that Honolulu housing where there was a kind of collective living arrangement. IOW, he was in college in the same kind of collective living arrangement, then graduated, and became a kind of wanderer (Stanford; San Francisco; Honolulu - 2 different places; travel to Japan and other parts of Asia).

Initial connections with people can be the result of a charming personality that can mask, as one of his "pals" put it: "darkness."

Then, he appears to have ghosted all of those friend groups (and no word on whether he dated that Tinder yoga instructor more than once - or even at all, they simply matched on Tinder and it looks like maybe he started taking lessons? Paying for lessons?) Ghosts his family too.

So, while he "connects" well, he seems to be in constant motion, friend and family-wise. No longterm romantic relationships that we know of. No best friend from college coming forward with more than the most superficial accounts of who he was.

I say this because in work inside mental hospitals, it's quite common for most of the patients to "connect" well with a new person - this is something they've learned to do. This does not mean that the patients are in a normal state of mind. Indeed, moving from place to place or from friend group to friend group can be a way of remaining social while avoiding what I'd call more intimate relationships (I don't mean in the sexual sense).

He apparently talked quite a bit about his pain situation within some of these groups. So people were concerned about him. I just find it interesting that he basically chose a path that emphasized his medical fragility/pain and that lots of people knew about it and wanted to help/support him.

I'd like to see some evidence that he had regular, longterm friendships that were based on mutual interests and personalities, as opposed to his (perhaps) relying on his medical situation to connect to others. He had several different "issues" that he was using to connect to people on reddit (visual snow was one of them, which surprised me). Lyme's disease, spondy, visual snow, possible use of pain meds, surgery. That's a lot for a 26 year old. He obviously also had his good lucks and intelligence, but I'm surprised that he cut off his Honolulu friend group, traveled to meet up with various groups of friendly fellow-travelers or local inhabitants. Those are transient type relationships. Maybe his overall pain situation (and perception of his own sexual dysfunction) made it hard for him to maintain what I would call "best friends" or a significant other.

IMO. Maybe he didn't want to be a burden to people - we haven't heard about that, one way or another.
 
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I am glad she is very experienced, hopefully LM will listen to her. I have my doubts since he thinks he is the smartest guy in the room. I can actually see him reading up on law in the prison library and deeming himself capable of his own representation.
 
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He more than likely cut out all his friends/family from his life as he was already planning the murder, he didn’t want to possibly have the police investigating them as possibly involved in what he was doing
 
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What I notice is that he was partaking in friendship via friend group/living arrangements. He was once in that Honolulu housing where there was a kind of collective living arrangement. IOW, he was in college in the same kind of collective living arrangement, then graduated, and became a kind of wanderer (Stanford; San Francisco; Honolulu - 2 different places; travel to Japan and other parts of Asia).

Initial connections with people can be the result of a charming personality that can mask, as one of his "pals" put it: "darkness."

Then, he appears to have ghosted all of those friend groups (and no word on whether he dated that Tinder yoga instructor more than once - or even at all, they simply matched on Tinder and it looks like maybe he started taking lessons? Paying for lessons?) Ghosts his family too.

So, while he "connects" well, he seems to be in constant motion, friend and family-wise. No longterm romantic relationships that we know of. No best friend from college coming forward with more than the most superficial accounts of who he was.

I say this because in work inside mental hospitals, it's quite common for most of the patients to "connect" well with a new person - this is something they've learned to do. This does not mean that the patients are in a normal state of mind. Indeed, moving from place to place or from friend group to friend group can be a way of remaining social while avoiding what I'd call more intimate relationships (I don't mean in the sexual sense).

He apparently talked quite a bit about his pain situation within some of these groups. So people were concerned about him. I just find it interesting that he basically chose a path that emphasized his medical fragility/pain and that lots of people knew about it and wanted to help/support him.

I'd like to see some evidence that he had regular, longterm friendships that were based on mutual interests and personalities, as opposed to his (perhaps) relying on his medical situation to connect to others. He had several different "issues" that he was using to connect to people on reddit (visual snow was one of them, which surprised me). Lyme's disease, spondy, visual snow, possible use of pain meds, surgery. That's a lot for a 26 year old. He obviously also had his good lucks and intelligence, but I'm surprised that he cut off his Honolulu friend group, traveled to meet up with various groups of friendly fellow-travelers or local inhabitants. Those are transient type relationships. Maybe his overall pain situation (and perception of his own sexual dysfunction) made it hard for him to maintain what I would call "best friends" or a significant other.

IMO. Maybe he didn't want to be a burden to people - we haven't heard about that, one way or another.
Interesting as I'm reading this and thinking about the type of person you are describing. I can see it and I've meet people that are like this. What comes to mind is manipulation. Weather this is intentional or not I' don't know, but I know people like this. They try to gain support/friends by having a problem others feel badly about or want to try to help them with. They seem to draw a certain type of person to them.. the empathetic kind who want to believe and only see the good in others. They can be really roped in. Sometimes those people see what is happening, but they dismiss it because they want to see the good. The person that always seems to have a problem always seems to turn everything back to themselves. It's a very draining situation (those that I have known).

I think people like this can have genuine problems, but maybe once they realize the problems get them attention, they never really want their problems to be solved because they like the attention they get from having something going on that gain attention.

IMO
 
  • #328
I'm assuming since he's hired Karen F Agnifilo he's planning on pleading "not guilty".

I don't think his fans are doing him any favors donating to his legal fund and trying to elevate him to some type of revolutionary. If I were the victims family this would really upset me. I will not be surprised to learn that the Thompson family and UHC have hired high powered attorneys too.

All jmo.
 
  • #329
This suggests he was working on his plan during the same time frame as his two month back packing trip (IMO)

Some of the entries in the notebook seized from Mangione upon his arrest in Pennsylvania earlier this week had dates on them going back to mid-2024, the sources said.

That fixation would eventually evolve into an alleged plan to shoot the chief executive, the sources said.

Some of the writings were diary-style, documenting how he felt, what he did that day, and also documented a desire to focus on his health and himself, and find his purpose, the sources said.

Then, as time went on -- as Mangione allegedly fell out of contact with friends and family and grew increasingly isolated -- some of his writings indicated a deterioration in his thinking and state of mind, illustrating a gradual build towards the alleged plan to kill UnitedHealthCare's CEO at their "annual parasitic bean-counter convention," sources said.
 
  • #330
This suggests he was working on his plan during the same time frame as his two month back packing trip (IMO)

Some of the entries in the notebook seized from Mangione upon his arrest in Pennsylvania earlier this week had dates on them going back to mid-2024, the sources said.

I read that differently. He travelled in Asia from early 2024 to April 2024.

His writings date back 6 months, which is July, when he cut contact with family and friends.
 
  • #331
I read that differently. He travelled in Asia from early 2024 to April 2024.

His writings date back 6 months, which is July, when he cut contact with family and friends.

Thank you - I removed the first sentence of my post to avoid confusion.
 
  • #332
Glad to see that Manhattan's Mental Health Court does not apply to defendants who have been charged with violent felonies, nor to defendants who have charges involving use of firearms. So no chance for LM to participate in that. His new attorney's bio says that she was part of setting up Manhattan's Mental Health Court, but it won't apply to LM, good to know.

This is a dedicated court part designed to provide a comprehensive system of oversight and treatment to eligible defendants with mental illness.

Defendants charged with non-violent felony offenses are eligible for MMHC. That Court will not consider defendants charged with crimes involving sex offenses or firearms.


 
  • #333
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Some of the entries in the notebook seized from Mangione upon his arrest in Pennsylvania earlier this week had dates on them going back to mid-2024, the sources said.

Can only imagine what is on his computer. I doubt he was just writing in notebooks. I'm curious when he last posted online and the websites he visited.
 
  • #334
He more than likely cut out all his friends/family from his life as he was already planning the murder, he didn’t want to possibly have the police investigating them as possibly involved in what he was doing

I think so too. And that's not "normal" behavior. If in fact he was becoming increasingly convinced that mere speeches (valedictory or otherwise) weren't going to "fix things," and he was beginning to plan acts of violence, he was concealing a great deal from so-called "friends" and family. IOW, he was betraying them by pretending to be normal (or possibly masking his motivations as pain-related.

I also think that most people who plan and carry out crimes of this time take a great deal of pleasure/pride in their planning and it consumes them. Why people become obsessed in this way is not well understood, but I cannot see LM as a "normal" young man who suddenly flipped out due to pain and organized this crime. He was reading a lot and spending a lot of time thinking about what he wanted to do. IMO.

To me, it doesn't seem as if he had long term friends from college still involved in his life, as well. I'm guessing that he may be preferring his own company and thinking for a very long time. He put on the guise of the typical 20-something bro-dude, while reading increasingly radicalized literature and wanting to change the world (by himself).

IMO.
 
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Still trying to refine the timeline details - a work in progress. Here's an updated timeline entirely based on links provided at this website. Please feel free to make corrections/ updates.

childhood - spondylolisthesis diagnosis
?? Nov-Dec 2021 - moved into Surfbreak remote workers community? (moved out after 6 months)
2022 - Surfbreak co-living community, Honolulu, active in daily sports
Jan 2022 - sciatica, beginner surfing lesson injury, one week in bed
Feb 2022 - slipped on piece of paper, right glute locked and right leg shut down for a week, leg couldn't support weight
Mar 2022 - nerve pain issues, experienced pain off and on
April 2022 - left Surfbreak community due to a lifelong back injury exacerbated by physical activity on the island, left the community to seek medical treatment on the East Coast
?? - living in San Fransisco?
Jan 2023 - returned to Hawaii "briefly in early 2023", co-started a book club, several members left due to discomfort in book choices (Unabomber manifesto)
June 2023 - lost his job with TrueCar
July 2023 - experienced another injury, went to hospital
July 2023 - had spinal fusion surgery on East Coast
August 2023 - claimed surgery was successful 8 days post-surgery
?? Japan, perhaps looking for work?
November-December 2023 - Hawaii, visiting Maui, Big Island, Oahu
December 2023 - returned to Baltimore to see his family.
February 2024 - Mangione said the surgery came "after 1.5 years of failed conservative treatment." (Jan 2022-July 2023)
Early 2024 - Mangione traveled to Asia for several months
April 2024 - Thailand
May 2024 - after 10 months of recommending back surgery, he went silent
?? - San Francisco?
July 2024 - began forming murder plan, stopped talking to friends and family
Nov 2024 - reported missing in San Francisco.
Dec 2024 - shoots a stranger in the back
 
  • #336
Glad to see that Manhattan's Mental Health Court does not apply to defendants who have been charged with violent felonies, nor to defendants who have charges involving use of firearms. So no chance for LM to participate in that. His new attorney's bio says that she was part of setting up Manhattan's Mental Health Court, but it won't apply to LM, good to know.

This is a dedicated court part designed to provide a comprehensive system of oversight and treatment to eligible defendants with mental illness.

Defendants charged with non-violent felony offenses are eligible for MMHC. That Court will not consider defendants charged with crimes involving sex offenses or firearms.



Is it official that LM has a mental illness? I didn’t think it was official yet.

Something is def. amiss with this guy other than he’s a murderer.

Very glad to read about ‘darkness’, the truth finally seeps out.
 
  • #337
Is it official that LM has a mental illness? I didn’t think it was official yet.

Something is def. amiss with this guy other than he’s a murderer.

Very glad to read about ‘darkness’, the truth finally seeps out.
I doubt that Mangione wants to pursue a mental illness defence. He spent 6 months festering over the health insurance industry and I think he wants his day in court so he can follow through with broadcasting his opinions about the industry.

That is the very reason that motive should be eliminated from trial proceedings. He's entitled to a defence to respond to evidence of intent, but this should not be an opportunity for Mangione to put the insurance industry on trial - which I believe is part of his plan.
 
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To me, it doesn't seem as if he had long term friends from college still involved in his life, as well. I'm guessing that he may be preferring his own company and thinking for a very long time. He put on the guise of the typical 20-something bro-dude, while reading increasingly radicalized literature and wanting to change the world (by himself).
Agree with @10ofRods above. Perhaps we have it all backwards. LM did not suddenly change in July 2024 but started living who he really is.
 
  • #339
My hairdresser (had appointment yesterday) is from the town adjacent to this. She stated this prison was considered desirable and nicer than any other in Pennsylvania. Stated that it's common for prisoners to request transfer to that facility. He's in for quite a shock if/when he ends up in Rikers.
It appeared that many inmates had cable TV in their rooms.

I'm in Texas, where the only TV is in a dayroom and controlled by the jail staff. Only major networks and PBS are allowed in Texas.

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Also, prisoners are gonna complain about food etc, no matter where they are! I don't blame them! It's their right and in prison, they don't have many.
 
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