NY - UnitedHealthcare CEO Brian Thompson fatally shot in Midtown. #10 *Arrest*

[otto]

This is so well put, Otto. Thank you. That's exactly what I was thinking (and trying to express in typed words).

I am sure that for some people, the constant transition among various cultures, worry about unemployment, etc. might not cause anxiety or mental derailment, but for a lot of people it would.

It's almost as if, after disconnecting himself from his ordinary life (living far away from parents, then living alone in HI, traveling more or less alone, as far as we know), he somehow found himself "plugged into" his own private cause. Something to give him an anchor and purpose (from his point of view).

Agreed. It seems like it - that anger over his back disability became is anchor. One point that never made sense to me is that he had a lower back weakness, and he seemed to do everything he could to aggravate the weakness until it became a permanent disability.

When it became a disability, he wanted surgery. When the surgery did not restore his back to pre-injury condition, he became angry. He couldn't be angry at his own stupidity, because he's the smartest man in the room, so he decided to shoot a random stranger in the back.

 

[otto]

Dont you hate that , when you just want the facts. who do you believe? JR is the one whos been doing interviews, but I cant remember if ( in the interviews) he says the dates Luigi was there? I will look.

It's fairly typical of the media today. A woman recalls him moving out in April, a man recalls him moving out in June. The same man says that Mangione was there for 6 months, which means he moved into Surfbreak in January 2022. The April date means he moved into the community in November 2021.

 

[Rumination1]

What I notice is that he was partaking in friendship via friend group/living arrangements. He was once in that Honolulu housing where there was a kind of collective living arrangement. IOW, he was in college in the same kind of collective living arrangement, then graduated, and became a kind of wanderer (Stanford; San Francisco; Honolulu - 2 different places; travel to Japan and other parts of Asia).

Initial connections with people can be the result of a charming personality that can mask, as one of his "pals" put it: "darkness."

Then, he appears to have ghosted all of those friend groups (and no word on whether he dated that Tinder yoga instructor more than once - or even at all, they simply matched on Tinder and it looks like maybe he started taking lessons? Paying for lessons?) Ghosts his family too.

So, while he "connects" well, he seems to be in constant motion, friend and family-wise. No longterm romantic relationships that we know of. No best friend from college coming forward with more than the most superficial accounts of who he was.

I say this because in work inside mental hospitals, it's quite common for most of the patients to "connect" well with a new person - this is something they've learned to do. This does not mean that the patients are in a normal state of mind. Indeed, moving from place to place or from friend group to friend group can be a way of remaining social while avoiding what I'd call more intimate relationships (I don't mean in the sexual sense).

He apparently talked quite a bit about his pain situation within some of these groups. So people were concerned about him. I just find it interesting that he basically chose a path that emphasized his medical fragility/pain and that lots of people knew about it and wanted to help/support him.

I'd like to see some evidence that he had regular, longterm friendships that were based on mutual interests and personalities, as opposed to his (perhaps) relying on his medical situation to connect to others. He had several different "issues" that he was using to connect to people on reddit (visual snow was one of them, which surprised me). Lyme's disease, spondy, visual snow, possible use of pain meds, surgery. That's a lot for a 26 year old. He obviously also had his good lucks and intelligence, but I'm surprised that he cut off his Honolulu friend group, traveled to meet up with various groups of friendly fellow-travelers or local inhabitants. Those are transient type relationships. Maybe his overall pain situation (and perception of his own sexual dysfunction) made it hard for him to maintain what I would call "best friends" or a significant other.

IMO. Maybe he didn't want to be a burden to people - we haven't heard about that, one way or another.

Interesting point …. BK had visual snow he’s used in part for his defence . This guy LM , collected ideologies, phrases, excuses from his readings( ImO) and used them as means to connect with people. Even the sentence he yelled out as being taken in to the station …..injustice to the American people” !!!! What was that about ? Who was that for?

There appears to me , so much evidence it was him he needs to be convicted. The fact some continue to justify it needs to be addressed as what is going on to make people think shooting is ok when dissatisfied with corporates or politics ?

 

[otto]

Interesting point …. BK had visual snow he’s used in part for his defence . This guy LM , collected ideologies, phrases, excuses from his readings( ImO) and used them as means to connect with people. Even the sentence he yelled out as being taken in to the station …..injustice to the American people” !!!! What was that about ? Who was that for?

There appears to me , so much evidence it was him he needs to be convicted. The fact some continue to justify it needs to be addressed as what is going on to make people think shooting is ok when dissatisfied with corporates or politics ?

Just an opinion, but the notion of justifiable homicide has been floating around for a year or two. The Menendez brothers have many supporters who believe that shooting their parents was justifiable. October 7 slaughter of civilians was justifiable according to many. It seems to be a trend where the current generation of 18-30 (perhaps a bit older) looks at the reason for the murder and debates whether the reason was a good reason. If they decide it was a good reason, they cheer the murder(s).

 

[ttjo]

It's fairly typical of the media today. A woman recalls him moving out in April, a man recalls him moving out in June. The same man says that Mangione was there for 6 months, which means he moved into Surfbreak in January 2022. The April date means he moved into the community in November 2021.

I listened to 2 interviews and he doesnt say when he moved out in either one I have only read it, so who knows. Heres one of the interviews anyway. Both interviews are similar, in the other you can only hear his roomate give answers, you dont hear the questions,

 

[airportwoman]

That mattress looks so cushy for one’s back issues. Luckily the government can provide no-cost healthcare.

IDK, that mattress looks pretty basic to me.

Healthcare in prison is usually bare-bones as well, although having worked in hospitals, that's where they get their care if they can't be treated in the prison infirmary.

When I was in college, I worked at the university hospital, and one day saw a man in an orange jumpsuit with his limbs all manacled together, and probably a dozen huge state troopers surrounding him. Whatever he did must have been really terrible, but he was entitled to medical care and that's where he got it.

 

[skymom]

Just me, but I hate tickling, so the photo of him tickling the two female friends made me recoil.

JMO

That's another thing that reminds me of Brian Kohberger. The woman who had a date with him claimed he tried tickling her too. (This is on top of bushy eyebrows)

 

[Kapua]

It's fairly typical of the media today. A woman recalls him moving out in April, a man recalls him moving out in June. The same man says that Mangione was there for 6 months, which means he moved into Surfbreak in January 2022. The April date means he moved into the community in November 2021.

I've followed enough cases here on Websleuths to know better than to take anything I read, even from a normally credible MSM source, at face value. Many times, when the facts eventually come out, these early reports are proven false.

I want to know where he was and what he was doing between July and December, where he was after leaving NY and why he was in Altoona. I thought he might be trying to make his way to his family, but if that were true, wouldn't he have gone to Philadelphia? Not that it matters, really, but I'm just the curious type.

MOO

 

[LinasK]

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In First Poll Released Since Killing, Young Americans Favor Luigi Mangione over UnitedHealthcare & Slain CEO Brian Thompson – Center for Strategic Politics

stratpolitics.org

some poll results on what people think about this case. the sample size is only 455, but i still thought it was interesting.

there’s more results in the link (men’s opinions vs women’s, what people with different political leanings think, etc)

Thank you for posting this info. There's still some hope for humanity.

 

[skymom]

I wonder if the reporting that there may be a turnaround in LM's fighting of extradition is related to his NYC attorney's advice to get LM to NY City earlier rather than later. I am not sure what her strategy would be, but the news of a turnaround regarding the extradition issue seems to line up with the timing of the announcement of the retention of his NYC attorney.

Maybe to get the clock moving on the prosecution from a "speedy trial" perspective?

 

[Tiff23fr]

Buckle UP

UnitedHealthcare CEO killing suspect Luigi Mangione and Sean ‘Diddy’ Combs’ lawyers are married​

UnitedHealthcare CEO killing suspect Luigi Mangione and Sean ‘Diddy’ Combs’ lawyers are married

It looks like Luigi Mangione and Sean “Diddy” Combs have more in common than orange jumpsuits and ankle shackles.

nypost.com

 

[Charlot123]

Not commenting on what happened to Luigi (I think it is more of a personality type.) However, because so many people complain of back pain and vertebral fusion is an atrocious procedure. I always wondered why so popular in Europe polymer filling is not used widely here. Less invasive and cheaper. Maybe someone might find it useful.

Polymeric Hydrogels for Intervertebral Disc Replacement/Integration: Playing with the Chemical Composition for Tuning Shear Behavior and Hydrophilicity - PMC

Damages to the intervertebral disc (IVD) due to improper loading or degeneration result in back pain, which is a common disease affecting an increasing number of patients. Different strategies for IVD remediation have been developed, from surgical ...

pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

For spondylolisthesis which comes in different phases, polymers have been used for a while too

https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S1529943002005363

I don’t know if Luigi’s pain was just due to this diagnosis or there was some emotional element, but in any case, intense exercise must have made it worse, not better.

 

[sunspun]

Still trying to refine the timeline details - a work in progress. Here's an updated timeline entirely based on links provided at this website. Please feel free to make corrections/ updates.

childhood - spondylolisthesis diagnosis
?? Nov-Dec 2021 - moved into Surfbreak remote workers community? (moved out after 6 months)
2022 - Surfbreak co-living community, Honolulu, active in daily sports
Jan 2022 - sciatica, beginner surfing lesson injury, one week in bed
Feb 2022 - slipped on piece of paper, right glute locked and right leg shut down for a week, leg couldn't support weight
Mar 2022 - nerve pain issues, experienced pain off and on
April 2022 - left Surfbreak community due to a lifelong back injury exacerbated by physical activity on the island, left the community to seek medical treatment on the East Coast
?? - living in San Fransisco?
Jan 2023 - returned to Hawaii "briefly in early 2023", co-started a book club, several members left due to discomfort in book choices (Unabomber manifesto)
June 2023 - lost his job with TrueCar
July 2023 - experienced another injury, went to hospital
July 2023 - had spinal fusion surgery on East Coast
August 2023 - claimed surgery was successful 8 days post-surgery
?? Japan, perhaps looking for work?
November-December 2023 - Hawaii, visiting Maui, Big Island, Oahu
December 2023 - returned to Baltimore to see his family.
February 2024 - Mangione said the surgery came "after 1.5 years of failed conservative treatment." (Jan 2022-July 2023)
Early 2024 - Mangione traveled to Asia for several months
April 2024 - Thailand
May 2024 - after 10 months of recommending back surgery, he went silent
?? - San Francisco?
July 2024 - began forming murder plan, stopped talking to friends and family
Nov 2024 - reported missing in San Francisco.
Dec 2024 - shoots a stranger in the back

Interesting that nowhere in this timeline we've figured out for him so far, does New York show up anywhere until the shooting. Had he ever even been to NYC before this?

 

[Friday Fan]

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His former employer confirmed to USA TODAY that he left his job at the website in 2023.

There is still a look left/look right on the True Car departure. Did he leave on his own or did he really get laid off?

In the end I don’t think it much matters, his end game and the root cause was the same.

'Nothing more, nothing less': Writings show wandering path across the globe for Luigi Mangione

From Maryland to Asia, murder suspect Luigi Mangione traversed the globe before CEO Brian Thompson was killed. His travels shed light on him.

www.usatoday.com

Wanting to live "off a backpack"...while also needing the technology to deal with chronic backpain creates a dichotomy.

If you watch foreign movies, you will see people squatting on floors with straw brooms. As someone with chronic back pain, I'm like "How do they do it if they have bad knees or a bad back?"

OTOH: Unabomber did something similar. Although Unabomber didn't travel. He chose to live without modern technology and material possessions.

 

[Friday Fan]

Interesting that nowhere in this timeline we've figured out for him so far, does New York show up anywhere until the shooting. Had he ever even been to NYC before this?

Philadelphia is only 80 miles from NYC. He lived there for 5-6 years.
A trip to NYC was a Saturday event when we lived in suburban Philadelphia.
We event got a few NYC stations and did not have cable.

 

[Friday Fan]

Not commenting on what happened to Luigi (I think it is more of a personality type.) However, because so many people complain of back pain and vertebral fusion is an atrocious procedure. I always wondered why so popular in Europe polymer filling is not used widely here. Less invasive and cheaper. Maybe someone might find it useful.

Polymeric Hydrogels for Intervertebral Disc Replacement/Integration: Playing with the Chemical Composition for Tuning Shear Behavior and Hydrophilicity - PMC

Damages to the intervertebral disc (IVD) due to improper loading or degeneration result in back pain, which is a common disease affecting an increasing number of patients. Different strategies for IVD remediation have been developed, from surgical ...

pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

For spondylolisthesis which comes in different phases, polymers have been used for a while too

https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S1529943002005363

I don’t know if Luigi’s pain was just due to this diagnosis or there was some emotional element, but in any case, intense exercise must have made it worse, not better.

Interesting. Artificial discs had just arrived on the scene about 20 years ago with limited insurance coverage. A few people posted about their experience on message boards, (I can't remember their outcomes)

I lost interest when the issue I had was having improved and haven't followed up with it.

 

[Friday Fan]

Here is a poster that's appearing on the streets of NYC. Reminds me of those saint candles. Posted earlier but was behind a paywall--apologies. This link is open. Supporters of suspected CEO killer Luigi Mangione establish defence fund
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I know I'm the only one who is laughing. Sorry.


I guess the Che meme is no longer in style?

 

[JudyBolton]

I absolutely think she's going to do it for mate's rates if not free. What she gets out of this in publicity is worth gold to her.

Her husband and law partner is representing Diddy so I imagine they have ALL the publicity they can handle. UnitedHealthcare CEO killing suspect Luigi Mangione and Sean ‘Diddy’ Combs’ lawyers are married

 

[MassGuy]

Mangione’s new attorney said the following on CNN prior to being retained as his attorney:

“It looks to me like there might be a not guilty by reason of insanity defense that they might be thinking about, because the evidence is going to be so overwhelming that he did what he did.

https://www.cnn.com/2024/12/13/us/video/luigi-mangione-retains-new-york-attorney-karen-friedman-agnifilo-src-digvid

 

[Seattle1]

My hairdresser (had appointment yesterday) is from the town adjacent to this. She stated this prison was considered desirable and nicer than any other in Pennsylvania. Stated that it's common for prisoners to request transfer to that facility. He's in for quite a shock if/when he ends up in Rikers.

I previously posted a photo of the typical cell at PA State Correctional Institution at Huntingdon, and I tend to agree. Knowing what his future holds, I can't say I'd be in any hurry to make my way to NY either. What extradition?!