NY - UnitedHealthcare CEO Brian Thompson fatally shot in Midtown. #10 *Arrest*

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  • #441
I am not versed in legalities, but since when does "distorted thinking", mental illness, or the effects of pain killers (as many have suggested) work as a defense in front of a jury/get a killer off the hook from murder. Very rare I would think.
I believe it speaks to intent, but maybe a lawyer can explain it better, Im with you, I dont think it gets you off, maybe some time in a psych facility before having to check in at the crowbar motel.
 
  • #442
After he "did the deed", then what? The build up to the crime was likely his focus. I think that he was more tired than anything.
That reminds me of Neil Entwhistle. He said that after shooting his wife and infant daughter, he felt calm. I didn't understand at first.

It was as though he felt stress as long as they were alive (money, parenting, job, loss of freedom, slipping mask). He silenced the turmoil in his head by killing them, and was then calm.

Maybe that happened with Mangione as well, that he felt calm after the murder. Relaxed, calm, a bit of brain fog - to explain his MacDonald's blunder where he presented the same fake ID he used at the hostel during the murder.
 
  • #443
Like a lot of folks who really obsess over a specific experience, situation, or act - I am not sure that LM thought much about what would happen afterwards. And by afterwards, I don’t mean the immediacy of getting on a train out of NYC, but rather what he’d do next.

Clearly he had the smarts and means to make a more um, effective, escape. But he didn’t. In my opinion, this would be perfectly consistent with someone who had done a lot of planning and thinking about *the act* but not the aftermath.
 
  • #444
Ironically, he once retweeted something that said “Netflix, door dash, and true crime podcasts have stolen more dreams than failure ever will.”
Is he saying that failure will never steal his dreams because he doesn't fail?
 
  • #445
Deleted by me: duplicate post.
 
  • #446
DBM double post
 
  • #447
Is he saying that failure will never steal his dreams because he doesn't fail?
Not the way I read it. It’s a rhetorical statement that doesn’t refer specifically to his dreams, but those of people in general.

Not sure how Netflix or the other things steal dreams, unless it’s because people waste too much time watching movies, etc instead of pursuing their dreams. Just a guess, can’t say I agree with him.
 
  • #448
Ironically, he once retweeted something that said “Netflix, door dash, and true crime podcasts have stolen more dreams than failure ever will.”
Do you know when he tweeted this? Could this have been something of a self-assessment and/or fear, as in withdrawing from personal connection and "borrowing other people's problems" as my mother would have described it?
 
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there is a picture (diagram) of a spine on the wall above the table where they are all out eating- some herbal homeopathic foods?
I hope my spine doesn't look like that, but easy to confuse from a distance. I attached the x-ray that Mangione posted on his X account - different curve.

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  • #451
This is very common in traumatic brain injuries. Impaired judgment is often the cause for death and/or destruction. It is due to the frontal lobe of the brain being affected. There is ample data to factually support this but I have not seen it apply to other injuries. It would be interesting to know if any others compare.

One of many:

Impact on decision-making:
  • People with brain injuries may struggle with both major and minor decisions, sometimes making hasty choices without considering the full implications.

  • Impulsivity:
    A common symptom is increased impulsivity, where someone might act without thinking through the potential consequences.

  • Lack of insight:
    Some individuals with brain injuries may lack awareness of their own cognitive impairments, making it difficult to recognize when their judgment is poor.

  • Frontal lobe damage:
    The frontal lobe is particularly important for judgment and executive function, so damage to this area can significantly impact decision-making abilities.
That's interesting because one argument he could make is that he understood that what he was doing was wrong, but he could not conform his conduct. The only problem with that is that he meticulously planned the murder. If he could conform to a plan to shoot a man in the back on a busy city street, he could conform to what he knows is wrong.
 
  • #452
LOl. it looks like a Thai restaurant called Opal in Chinatown, downtown Honolulu

That would make sense.

There is one photo in that particular article I am curious about. It is the one showing his “reported” Tndr account with a sync date of 12/9
12/9 was the day he was arrested IIRC

What specifically does “last sync” mean on this app?
What about “Last Found”?

“…alleged Tinder profile matches the one a yoga instructor said she had seen.”

 
  • #453
Do you know when he tweeted this? Could this have been something of a self-assessment and/or fear, as in withdrawing from personal connection and "borrowing other people's problems" as my mother would have described it?
April 17, 2024.

You have a good point. That’s possible. Although based on some other tweets of his own, he comes across judgemental. But that’s my interpretation.
 
  • #454
I’ve been wondering if he even had surgery? MOO
 
  • #455
That reminds me of Neil Entwhistle. He said that after shooting his wife and infant daughter, he felt calm. I didn't understand at first.

It was as though he felt stress as long as they were alive (money, parenting, job, loss of freedom, slipping mask). He silenced the turmoil in his head by killing them, and was then calm.

Maybe that happened with Mangione as well, that he felt calm after the murder. Relaxed, calm, a bit of brain fog - to explain his MacDonald's blunder where he presented the same fake ID he used at the hostel during the murder.
Yes, but if the mcdonalds event was a blunder, it was unintentional on his part imo. Many exceptionally gifted and intelligent people ironically do not have the same common sense that the average person has. The brain's wires are typically not All lit up for most people. I've seen it in my own family. I think the idea of hiding out for a long time after his crime never even really occurred to him. I don't think he planned to get caught anytime soon, even though the manifesto was in his possession...but I may be alone in that theory.
 
  • #456
Interesting observation. When looking at his timeline, it's clear that he has lived a nomadic remote-worker lifestyle from 2021/2 until the murder. He has no long term lease or rental responsibility - no roots. He rents for a few months, moves on, travels and so on.

I wonder whether that nomadic lifestyle contributed to his mental deterioration. There was no continuity in any part of his life other than his job. When he lost his job in June 2023, he may have been unsuccessful in finding other employment, or he may have received a severance that he chose to use for travel and adventure lifestyle.

He had nothing that anchored him in life, nothing where he had to be accountable, no real responsibility to anyone or anything.

That's not to say that everyone who lives nomadic can go off the rails, but that disconnected lifestyle may be a factor in Mangione spiraling into obsessive thoughts about the insurance industry.

LM finished college and grad school and began working for TrueCar in 2020. I would be very surprised if the engineers at TrueCar were not required to WFH at that time and possibly for years. Many of my engineer friends (not at TrueCar) were mandatory WFH until anywhere between Fall 2021 and Summer 2022. Because LM almost definitely started as a remote worker, it might also be the case that he didn’t live near a TrueCar office, even if they eventually had an optional or mandatory return to office initiative.

For West Coast company tech workers, it was not unusual during that time to work from Hawaii rather than WFH. Why not, right? That LM chose to rent a live/work cooperative space instead of a solo space suggests to me that he valued the social aspect.

There are fixed terms at the live/work place in HI, so it is not surprising to me that he stayed only 6 months and later rented an apartment. While renting the apartment, he also joined a shared work space outside of his apartment. Everything suggests to me that he enjoyed social interaction until he very suddenly didn’t sometime in 2024.

As for long-term friendships, some were observable. In one case, a long-time friend posted about him in caring terms immediately after his arrest and it was observable from each of their instagram accounts that they’d been friends for many years, celebrating birthdays together, etc. He has since made his account private and I can understand why. For starters, his caring sentiments were polarizing and garnered negative attention.

I personally have not seen any indication that LM did not have long-term, stable friendships, that is until he suddenly isolated from friends and family in 2024.

The only nomadic element that stands out to me is that he posted about his goal to pare down to one backpack for travel and expressed pride in April 2024 that he had achieved that goal for the previous two months while traveling through Asia. He thought it made it easier to be fully present and made travel feel more like an adventure. So it is possible he would have embraced a nomadic lifestyle in a sliding doors universe in which he did not commit murder and throw away his freedom, but I don’t consider his move to Hawaii to be indicative of a preference for a nomadic lifestyle as it was likely an appealing alternative to WFH, at least initially. He appears to have rented two places while there over a period of almost three years, both in Honolulu, which also doesn’t seem particularly nomadic to me.

Even setting the pandemic aside, in my experience, it’s quite common for young adults of that age to move around a bit, often for work related reasons, and without the intention of embracing a digital nomad lifestyle.

MOO.
 
  • #457
What a busy, busy couple. <modsnip: off topic>

jmo
I've been thinking that maybe one reason why LM might agree to extradition next week (as some MSM are reporting), is that his new attorney wants to start working with him as soon as possible, and in person. She doesn't have access to him in person while he is in PA, and likely has limited access by phone or zoom-type discussions. I suspect she also wants to start working on the public messaging about him and the case, and also start working on the defense since this case is already being adjudicated by a grand jury. A defense attorney in a high profile case like this usually wants to make every effort as early as possible to manage the narrative.

I also wonder if she will try to work out a placement for LM and try to get the judge to agree on a placement that isn't Rikers. Would that be possible, are there any other options, and would a judge agree to that? Just considering all possible approaches/strategy she might use. Maybe she will try to get him placed by the judge in a state psychiatric setting or something similar so he doesn't have to go to Rikers. Otherwise a quick extradition seems that it is not to LM's benefit.
 
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I think it is odd that she was making statements about the case and then was retained.
I think it is likely that she was contacted after she made those remarks on CNN. The family were likely trying to find the right attorney to represent LM, doing their research quickly and her name was in the mix. The CNN statement may have helped them make the decision to contact her and discuss the case.

If they contacted her earlier than the CNN statements, then they may not have officially retained her at that time. And if they did decide to retain her, then the statements wouldn't hurt her case but likely help it. And if they didn't decide to retain her, well she was being the legal pundit on the show that she always is, nothing unusual.

JMO
 
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  • #459
SNL’s cold open tonight is a Nancy Grace skit, with her covering LM.
 
  • #460
LM finished college and grad school and began working for TrueCar in 2020. I would be very surprised if the engineers at TrueCar were not required to WFH at that time and possibly for years. Many of my engineer friends (not at TrueCar) were mandatory WFH until anywhere between Fall 2021 and Summer 2022. Because LM almost definitely started as a remote worker, it might also be the case that he didn’t live near a TrueCar office, even if they eventually had an optional or mandatory return to office initiative.

For West Coast company tech workers, it was not unusual during that time to work from Hawaii rather than WFH. Why not, right? That LM chose to rent a live/work cooperative space instead of a solo space suggests to me that he valued the social aspect.

There are fixed terms at the live/work place in HI, so it is not surprising to me that he stayed only 6 months and later rented an apartment. While renting the apartment, he also joined a shared work space outside of his apartment. Everything suggests to me that he enjoyed social interaction until he very suddenly didn’t sometime in 2024.

As for long-term friendships, some were observable. In one case, a long-time friend posted about him in caring terms immediately after his arrest and it was observable from each of their instagram accounts that they’d been friends for many years, celebrating birthdays together, etc. He has since made his account private and I can understand why. For starters, his caring sentiments were polarizing and garnered negative attention.

I personally have not seen any indication that LM did not have long-term, stable friendships, that is until he suddenly isolated from friends and family in 2024.

The only nomadic element that stands out to me is that he posted about his goal to pare down to one backpack for travel and expressed pride in April 2024 that he had achieved that goal for the previous two months while traveling through Asia. He thought it made it easier to be fully present and made travel feel more like an adventure. So it is possible he would have embraced a nomadic lifestyle in a sliding doors universe in which he did not commit murder and throw away his freedom, but I don’t consider his move to Hawaii to be indicative of a preference for a nomadic lifestyle as it was likely an appealing alternative to WFH, at least initially. He appears to have rented two places while there over a period of almost three years, both in Honolulu, which also doesn’t seem particularly nomadic to me.

Even setting the pandemic aside, in my experience, it’s quite common for young adults of that age to move around a bit, often for work related reasons, and without the intention of embracing a digital nomad lifestyle.

MOO.

I will add that he also stopped posting to his reddit (last post 5/25/24) and X/twitter (last post 6/10/24) accounts around the same time he withdrew from family and friends.

One possible point of interest regarding this timeframe is that *if* he was on a parent’s health insurance plan (I don’t think we know that), based on his May birth month, his eligibility would have expired on 6/1/24. He would have needed to secure his own insurance coverage beginning 6/1/24. If that was the case, I would imagine he would have been researching insurance company/plan info in May 2024. Perhaps that might have put health insurance policy at the forefront of his mind at that time.
 
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