NY - UnitedHealthcare CEO Brian Thompson fatally shot in Midtown. #10 *Arrest*

[justpeachy22]

I really agree with you. I think he was just wandering around and didn't have a plan. At first I thought he was heading to kill someone else but now I'm more inclined to think he just shut down and ended up wandering in Altoona.

Yes, but its the fact that he'd left Pittsburg and was heading back east through Altoona which makes people wonder if he had something planned next.

UnitedHealthcare CEO killing: Luigi Mangione left New York City by train, not by bus, sources say

Luigi Mangione, the suspect accused of gunning down UnitedHealthcare CEO Brian Thompson, left New York City by train, and not by bus as first thought, police sources told ABC News.

6abc.com

 

[Auntie Cipation]

I think that's [NG by reason of insanity] their ONLY viable defense because the evidence is pretty overwhelming.

In the sheriff-shoots-judge case in Kentucky, there is discussion of "extreme emotional distress" (my paraphrase) as a possible defense.

I don't know if that is also a legal defense in NY, but if it is, could it be an approach LM's defense might take?

I mean, he apparently didn't have a direct relationship with BT or even UHC, but if LM authentically sees his action as impacting or triggering a social justice cause about which he (and many others, from the cultural response to his murderous action) feels very very strongly about... could they turn that into the "extreme emotional distress" defense?

 

[ttjo]

Do you know when he tweeted this? Could this have been something of a self-assessment and/or fear, as in withdrawing from personal connection and "borrowing other people's problems" as my mother would have described it?

They talk about it here, keep scrolling down

26-Year-Old Arrested in UnitedHealthcare Shooting Railed Against Netflix, Porn and ‘Wokeism’ on X

Luigi Mangione, a prep school valedictorian, showed disdain for for a number of modern fixtures on social media The post 26-Year-Old Arrested in UnitedHealthcare Shooting Railed Against Netflix, 🤬🤬🤬🤬 and ‘Wokeism’ on X appeared first on TheWrap.

www.yahoo.com

 

[mrstfs]

Yes, but its the fact that he'd left Pittsburg and was heading back east through Altoona which makes people wonder if he had something planned next.

UnitedHealthcare CEO killing: Luigi Mangione left New York City by train, not by bus, sources say

Luigi Mangione, the suspect accused of gunning down UnitedHealthcare CEO Brian Thompson, left New York City by train, and not by bus as first thought, police sources told ABC News.

6abc.com

The story was updated a few days ago to say that LM wasn’t in Pittsburgh:

Suspect connected to UnitedHealthcare CEO shooting came to Pittsburgh, police say

Police said Mangione traveled across Pennsylvania, from Philadelphia to Pittsburgh. He was arrested after being spotted at a McDonald's restaurant in Altoona.

www.wtae.com

 

[Kapua]

Yes, but its the fact that he'd left Pittsburg and was heading back east through Altoona which makes people wonder if he had something planned next.

UnitedHealthcare CEO killing: Luigi Mangione left New York City by train, not by bus, sources say

Luigi Mangione, the suspect accused of gunning down UnitedHealthcare CEO Brian Thompson, left New York City by train, and not by bus as first thought, police sources told ABC News.

6abc.com

I just wonder what the heck he was doing in Altoona and where he'd been for 4-5 days. I'm not at all familiar with that part of the US, so I had to Google. From NYC, it's approximately 4.5 to 5 hours by car and approximately 8 hours by public transit. It seems clear that he wasn't heading to Baltimore to visit family. I also checked the temps in Altoona. Brrrr! I don't see him sleeping on the streets! So where was he? And if he was too scared to go to Hawaii, why didn't he go to FL? He's grown accustomed to warmer climes.

I don't think he had any further crimes planned. I do think he planned to go out in a blaze of glory, so to speak, like many of them do. But that plan was thwarted when he was surprised at McD's.

MOO

 

[otto]

If LM was harboring anger-- is it even about his back? I think not!

On Saturday, Feb 29, 2020, at nursing home in Kirkland, WA-- located across the lake from Seattle, the first COVID19 outbreak in the U.S. was confirmed. By early April, the Pacific Northwest was in total lockdown-- children could have probably played safely on the freeway. WA State Emergency Guidelines imposed by the Governor were in effect from Feb 29, 2020 to Oct 31, 2022, and in comparison to other areas, were strictly enforced.

That said, this two year period 2020-2022, seemingly had a tremendous impact on the high school upper classmen (juniors & seniors) who missed every celebrated right of passage, and all college grades in general, who struggled both socially and academically.

From LM's LinkedIn Resume (attached), he was wrapping up at UPenn May 2020, and cites his start date at True Car, Inc (Data Engineer I) as Nov 2020.

Unlike his 2016 HS Valedictorian Speech and Honors, good chance LM's May 2020 University graduation ceremony was canceled.

Again, taking note LM's first proper job post university graduation where he advances to Data Engineer III takes place during the isolation of the global pandemic, working not from Santa Monica, CA but employed remotely. (Having experienced the typical recruitment and relocation for my first job after graduation, I'd be absolutely shattered at this remote work experience).

While we know that True Car, Inc publicly announced its corporate restructuring and reduction of workforce in June 2023-- which very likely could have been pandemic related, I think we'd be remiss not to question if the golden boy may have taken it to heart that his measured improvements to True Car's performance metrics failed to save his job or deter the layoffs of his division (see resume --performance).

What changed for LM?

Did LM burn out working remotely -- missed the entry level mentoring and ego boost environment one needs to keep energized and interested?

Or was LM dealing with imposter syndrome -- now being offered interactive, live work where he'd no longer be able to hide out at home. Weren't the Honolulu digs somewhat an extension of the Frat house he left behind at UPenn?

And who doesn't have a friend that's allergic to gainful employment!

Did LM actually need surgery, or did he feign symptoms to advance surgery to avoid work?

I'm beginning to question whether if not for having money and opportunity, LM might have just been just been living the life of the Trump shooter, Thomas Crooks (who also scored 1530 on his SAT). Intelligent but very selfish and stupid. MOO

State of Emergency - COVID 2020-2022

Interesting question - I've wondered whether he experienced imposter syndrome, but wasn't sure how it fit.

If he had to show up in-person for work in Santa Monica in April 2024 for the first time since he was hired in 2020 (one report says he left the Surfbreak community in April), that could have been awkward ... could lead to imposter syndrome. Always a good idea to split work from home with some week days in the office.

He may have left the Surfbreak in Honolulu in April 2024 (rather than June) allegedly due to back injury concerns. He may have been required to work in-person at the same time?

He was let go in June two months later - corporate downsizing. He had back surgery one month after he lost his job.

What type of health care would he have between jobs at the age of 26?

 

[Sundog]

I just wonder what the heck he was doing in Altoona and where he'd been for 4-5 days. I'm not at all familiar with that part of the US, so I had to Google. From NYC, it's approximately 4.5 to 5 hours by car and approximately 8 hours by public transit. It seems clear that he wasn't heading to Baltimore to visit family. I also checked the temps in Altoona. Brrrr! I don't see him sleeping on the streets! So where was he? And if he was too scared to go to Hawaii, why didn't he go to FL? He's grown accustomed to warmer climes.

I don't think he had any further crimes planned. I do think he planned to go out in a blaze of glory, so to speak, like many of them do. But that plan was thwarted when he was surprised at McD's.

MOO

It's possible he stayed in the Philadelphia, Altoona, Pittsburg region because he knew it well. He lived in that region for years during his university and graduate school studies. It might have made sense to him at some level to go somewhere that he was familiar with to lay low for a few days until he figured out or decided upon his next steps.

I don't think we know where he stayed yet, I haven't seen anything reported yet unless I missed it. But we do know that he was trying to find a hotel room in Altoona just before he was arrested at the local McDonalds.

He may not have been in a hotel or other lodging for a few days. Did he ride the bus between various locations to stay warm? Did he stay in the basement of apartment buildings to stay warm and try to get some sleep, or camp out with homeless in the area? I assume we will learn more about this in the days to come as LE works on piecing together his whereabouts and travels between leaving NYC and being found in Altoona.

 

[MassGuy]

I just wonder what the heck he was doing in Altoona and where he'd been for 4-5 days. I'm not at all familiar with that part of the US, so I had to Google. From NYC, it's approximately 4.5 to 5 hours by car and approximately 8 hours by public transit. It seems clear that he wasn't heading to Baltimore to visit family. I also checked the temps in Altoona. Brrrr! I don't see him sleeping on the streets! So where was he? And if he was too scared to go to Hawaii, why didn't he go to FL? He's grown accustomed to warmer climes.

I don't think he had any further crimes planned. I do think he planned to go out in a blaze of glory, so to speak, like many of them do. But that plan was thwarted when he was surprised at McD's.

MOO

He didn't have enough ammo to do much. All he had was 6 in the magazine, and a loose hollow point round. I've mentioned this before, but that looks like a 15 round magazine to me, which would mean that he should have 15-16 rounds on him prior to the murder (15 in the magazine and possibly one in the chamber).

But there were 6 at the scene, and only 7 on his person when he was arrested. It's like he had just grabbed a handful of ammo from someone he knew, which is why there's the odd hollow point one there, and he didn't max out what he should have had in the gun.

Someone planning something bigger should be fully equipped in that regard, but he wasn't.

 

[otto]

Did LM actually need surgery, or did he feign symptoms to advance surgery to avoid work?

I'm beginning to question whether if not for having money and opportunity, LM might have just been just been living the life of the Trump shooter, Thomas Crooks (who also scored 1530 on his SAT). Intelligent but very selfish and stupid. MOO

I too wonder whether he needed surgery, or had insurance-approved elective-surgery with the surgeon of his choice on the East-Coast.

When I read that he advocated false claims of involuntary urination to increase chances of surgery sooner - all bets are off.

 

[Friday Fan]

I hope my spine doesn't look like that, but easy to confuse from a distance. I attached the x-ray that Mangione posted on his X account - different curve.

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Eww...that's a centipede, not a spine.

 

[Sundog]

Interesting question - I've wondered whether he experienced imposter syndrome, but wasn't sure how it fit.

If he had to show up in-person for work in Santa Monica in April 2024 for the first time since he was hired in 2020 (one report says he left the Surfbreak community in April), that could have been awkward ... could lead to imposter syndrome. Always a good idea to split work from home with some week days in the office.

He may have left the Surfbreak in Honolulu in April 2024 (rather than June) allegedly due to back injury concerns. He may have been required to work in-person at the same time?

He was let go in June two months later - corporate downsizing. He had back surgery one month after he lost his job.

What type of health care would he have between jobs at the age of 26?

If he had health care through his employer while he was working, he could have gone on COBRA, a government policy which allows people who lose their jobs to stay on the same employee plan for about 1 year (IIRC). It is expensive, though, because you have to pay the amount you were paying while working PLUS the amount that the company was paying to subsidize your health care with the plan. But many people sign up for this option, even if just for one or two months before they find other options. If you can afford it, you can stay on COBRA for a year or so. And during the Covid pandemic, the government extended the COBRA option, but I don't know if it was extended by a full additional year or just an additional six months. They did this because a lot of people were laid off from their jobs due to the pandemic closings and downsizing, etc. and were therefore losing their health care coverage.

 

[mrstfs]

I just wonder what the heck he was doing in Altoona and where he'd been for 4-5 days. I'm not at all familiar with that part of the US, so I had to Google. From NYC, it's approximately 4.5 to 5 hours by car and approximately 8 hours by public transit. It seems clear that he wasn't heading to Baltimore to visit family. I also checked the temps in Altoona. Brrrr! I don't see him sleeping on the streets! So where was he? And if he was too scared to go to Hawaii, why didn't he go to FL? He's grown accustomed to warmer climes.

I don't think he had any further crimes planned. I do think he planned to go out in a blaze of glory, so to speak, like many of them do. But that plan was thwarted when he was surprised at McD's.

MOO

It's possible he stayed in the Philadelphia, Altoona, Pittsburg region because he knew it well. He lived in that region for years during his university and graduate school studies. It might have made sense to him at some level to go somewhere that he was familiar with to lay low for a few days until he figured out or decided upon his next steps.

I don't think we know where he stayed yet, I haven't seen anything reported yet unless I missed it. But we do know that he was trying to find a hotel room in Altoona just before he was arrested at the local McDonalds.

He may not have been in a hotel or other lodging for a few days. Did he ride the bus between various locations to stay warm? Did he stay in the basement of apartment buildings to stay warm and try to get some sleep, or camp out with homeless in the area? I assume we will learn more about this in the days to come as LE works on piecing together his whereabouts and travels between leaving NYC and being found in Altoona.

I see your point but the thing is U of Penn is over 200 miles east of Altoona. Altoona is 100 miles east of Pittsburgh. We know now he never made it to Pittsburgh. And LE also clarified that he took the train not bus. Maybe he “social engineered” someone he met on the train who was also getting off in Altoona? There are 3 much smaller town stops between Altoona and Pittsburgh. I wonder if he wanted to avoid Pittsburgh and thought he’d be more incognito in Altoona but didn’t want to be in a tiny town like the other stops were in? Sorry thinking out loud.

(This was in reply to Sundog. Didn’t mean to reply to Kapua and having edit issues sorry)

 

[Friday Fan]

Looks like a critter to me, not a spine with all those legs.

It's a freak'n centipede.

Centipedes creep me out. Especially after catching a few minutes of The Human Centipede.

 

[otto]

I believe it speaks to intent, but maybe a lawyer can explain it better, Im with you, I dont think it gets you off, maybe some time in a psych facility before having to check in at the crowbar motel.

I think the best a lawyer can hope to argue is that Mangione knew the difference between right and wrong, but he could not conform his conduct to the requirements of law. He should lose that argument as well.

What prevented him from conforming his conduct to law in May 2024? or December 2024 ... his childhood, pushing against back disability, pain medicine, soft drugs like magic mushrooms, his travels in Asia, dissatisfaction with his surgery? Even if he went off the rails in May 2024, after returning from 3-4 months Asia travels, 6-7 months July to December is not long enough to become murderous unless he always had a dark side.

His murder plan was too organized with words on bullets and monopoly money in the park, which demonstrated conformed conduct to planned expectations. It also demonstrated a sense of humour from an intelligent man.

I think the trial has to avoid all discussion of motive. That's a can of worms that Mangione can't wait to open - that's his reason to be at this moment in his life. He thinks he can change chance with assassination.

 

[Kapua]

It's a freak'n centipede.

Centipedes creep me out. Especially after catching a few minutes of The Human Centipede.

It's a centipede for sure. Met one in Hawai'i unexpectedly. Fortunately, I was with native Hawaiian friends who knew how to handle it. Biggest bug I have ever seen!

 

[Seattle1]

Interesting question - I've wondered whether he experienced imposter syndrome, but wasn't sure how it fit.

If he had to show up in-person for work in Santa Monica in April 2024 for the first time since he was hired in 2020 (one report says he left the Surfbreak community in April), that could have been awkward ... could lead to imposter syndrome. Always a good idea to split work from home with some week days in the office.

He may have left the Surfbreak in Honolulu in April 2024 (rather than June) allegedly due to back injury concerns. He may have been required to work in-person at the same time?

He was let go in June two months later - corporate downsizing. He had back surgery one month after he lost his job.

What type of health care would he have between jobs at the age of 26?

He'd been there for four years so generally he would be entitled to Cobra benefits for 18 months at separation -- maybe longer if he was deemed disabled. JMO

 

[mrstfs]

Interesting question - I've wondered whether he experienced imposter syndrome, but wasn't sure how it fit.

If he had to show up in-person for work in Santa Monica in April 2024 for the first time since he was hired in 2020 (one report says he left the Surfbreak community in April), that could have been awkward ... could lead to imposter syndrome. Always a good idea to split work from home with some week days in the office.

He may have left the Surfbreak in Honolulu in April 2024 (rather than June) allegedly due to back injury concerns. He may have been required to work in-person at the same time?

He was let go in June two months later - corporate downsizing. He had back surgery one month after he lost his job.

What type of health care would he have between jobs at the age of 26?

He could’ve bought a plan on the healthcare exchange as part of the ACA. He hadn’t worked at Truecar since 2023. What we know about Luigi Mangione, suspect charged in UnitedHealthcare CEO's killing

 

[ttjo]

I just wonder what the heck he was doing in Altoona and where he'd been for 4-5 days. I'm not at all familiar with that part of the US, so I had to Google. From NYC, it's approximately 4.5 to 5 hours by car and approximately 8 hours by public transit. It seems clear that he wasn't heading to Baltimore to visit family. I also checked the temps in Altoona. Brrrr! I don't see him sleeping on the streets! So where was he? And if he was too scared to go to Hawaii, why didn't he go to FL? He's grown accustomed to warmer climes.

I don't think he had any further crimes planned. I do think he planned to go out in a blaze of glory, so to speak, like many of them do. But that plan was thwarted when he was surprised at McD's.

MOO

Anyone know where he had his surgery? UPMC is in Altoona. Only thing I can think of.
if he tried to book a hotel that day, I wonder if it means he just got there.

 

[mrstfs]

Here’s a report from NBC that shows the entire missing persons report LM’s mom filed in San Francisco. It says she thought he was in San Francisco working at the Truecar office in person. Also medical says none.

IMHO- It seems like LM wasn’t up front with her about the fact that he hadn’t worked there since 2023. I wouldn’t be surprised to find out he was never in San Francisco.

Mother of suspect in CEO's killing told police person of interest could be her son, sources say

After UnitedHealthcare CEO Brian Thompson's killing, a San Francisco officer saw a resemblance in a missing persons report for Luigi Mangione and police contacted his mother, sources said.

www.nbcnews.com

 

[Kapua]

Here’s a report from NBC that shows the entire missing persons report LM’s mom filed in San Francisco. It says she thought he was in San Francisco working at the Truecar office in person. Also medical says none.

IMHO- It seems like LM wasn’t up front with her about the fact that he hadn’t worked there since 2023. I wouldn’t be surprised to find out he was never in San Francisco.

Mother of suspect in CEO's killing told police person of interest could be her son, sources say

After UnitedHealthcare CEO Brian Thompson's killing, a San Francisco officer saw a resemblance in a missing persons report for Luigi Mangione and police contacted his mother, sources said.

www.nbcnews.com

And I wouldn't be surprised if his mother hadn't actually told police that she thought he could possibly be the person seen in surveillance photos. MOO