NY - UnitedHealthcare CEO Brian Thompson fatally shot in Midtown. #10 *Arrest*

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I haven’t read much of this thread, so I don’t know, but: could the guy be addicted to painkillers or other opiates? It’s not unusual for a person with major pain to be given strong drugs, and when he/she was no longer being prescribed, to seek street drugs, including heroin.
 
Now, even the maker of the backpack worn by LM is getting threats, as well as his employees. It’s due to a rumor that investigators used the bag to track and arrest LM.

Smh

 

Yes, thank you!

Somewhat naive to encourage procreation by bans, isn't it? But Luigi always appeared immature in relationship area, tbh.

His economic views are more interesting. They are evolving, but I am interested where he'd end up. Traditionally, anarcho-terrorists were associated with alt-left, but it seems that many modern ones self-identify as libertarians. It would seem to me that Luigi was moving in that direction.

I have an interesting article, one of the first attempts to study personality traits of anarchists, but it is undermined by linking them with alt-left movement, which I doubt.
 
Two things that surprise me.

One, he was obviously very bright, had two degrees from UPenn, an Ivy League school. After that…tell me, is TrueCar a well-paying company? To my shame, I never heard of it. Also, wasn’t his degree in engineering? And the job was not even a programmer? I saw something like data entry, am I wrong? I don’t have LinkedIn on this device, but I remember his profile still listing him with Truecars, so it may be outdated. I’d expect someone with his potential and East Coast base to interview at really well-paying, huge IT companies, tbh.

Did Luigi put himself through too much stress trying to squeeze two degrees into a short period of time? BS and MS in 4 years, isn’t it too high stress? If upon graduation, plans of settling down or “buying a house”, the most costly plan I often hear vocalized, were not in Luigi’s immediate future, then of course the idea to live in a sunny paradise colony was not bad. Still, I see a certain crack appearing specifically after graduation. He worked too hard; most grads understand that after graduation you start investing in your resume.

But perhaps Luidgi was burned out? Something seems wrong in his college planning. I don’t know if it was the reflection of the family’s pressure to achieve, or his own wish to go through college fast and move away from his family? A plan like BS - then taking a gap year for travels - then MS - would have been better.

If I were to guess, Luigi himself wanted to separate from Maryland. Then settling in Hawaii could be an attempt to grow socially, but look how lonely he ends up. Ex-roommates who don’t answer letters, family not on the radar, his school friends, UPenn mates…there surely is no shortage of people stating now that he was “well-liked”, but where were they during his last two years?

From 23 to 30, finding own apartment, traveling to beautiful places one couldn’t previously achieve on a student’s budget, making new relationships while still reaching out to the old ones, is an expected lifestyle, especially for young IT specialists. Two things are missing in this equation:

- a steady job that would match his potential, and

- a steady group around him.

He virtually falls off all radars. But all of them, to think of.

Is it his spine? Does his physical pain partially reflect emotional stress? Or “something else”?

Just a thought:

1) Just questioning. Could there, indeed, have been an emotional episode that his family was aware of? Then they thought he got better, but IRL, untreated, he ended in a tragic situation.

2) More likely, the same happened, but later. His then-friends noticed signs and, whether not understanding or fearing unpredictability, marginalized him. I am just thinking aloud. Not about the act…just what was going on with Luigi. He definitely didn’t lose his academic potential, he read a lot, he expressed himself well, but am I wrong in noticing some lack of emotional growth? He should have caught up after graduation and moving out, but the opposite happened. Why?

Here's more about the office TrueCars in San Francisco, opened in 2015, I think closed in 2023. His mother reported address at 124 Montgomery, real address was 140 New Montgomery.


"TrueCar is committed to assembling a team of the absolute best data science and engineering talent," said Chief Product Officer Tom Taira. "San Francisco, along with Austin, is a natural extension for us."

Developers in San Francisco will focus on advanced R&D, developing and launching new consumer-facing and data products. The work there will complement efforts at TrueCar's Santa Monica headquarters.

"We've had a presence in San Francisco, but with this investment we're signaling a new phase of talent recruitment," said Scott Painter, TrueCar's chief executive officer and co-founder. "It means we're not just trying to bring people to Los Angeles, but can offer some very talented developers the opportunity to stay and work in San Francisco."
 
Here's more about the office TrueCars in San Francisco, opened in 2015, I think closed in 2023. His mother reported address at 124 Montgomery, real address was 140 New Montgomery.


"TrueCar is committed to assembling a team of the absolute best data science and engineering talent," said Chief Product Officer Tom Taira. "San Francisco, along with Austin, is a natural extension for us."

Developers in San Francisco will focus on advanced R&D, developing and launching new consumer-facing and data products. The work there will complement efforts at TrueCar's Santa Monica headquarters.

"We've had a presence in San Francisco, but with this investment we're signaling a new phase of talent recruitment," said Scott Painter, TrueCar's chief executive officer and co-founder. "It means we're not just trying to bring people to Los Angeles, but can offer some very talented developers the opportunity to stay and work in San Francisco."

Well, car market is unpredictable, and it was hit by COVID, so likely layoff had nothing to do with Luigi. And then, 2023-2024 were not good years for IT sector in general. If it coincided with worsening physical symptoms, I can see how he decided to take time off.
 
Well, car market is unpredictable, and it was hit by COVID, so likely layoff had nothing to do with Luigi. And then, 2023-2024 were not good years for IT sector in general. If it coincided with worsening physical symptoms, I can see how he decided to take time off.
There is still a truecar website so I think the company is still open.

Yelp had its headquarters in the same building and they left and opened new hqs at a smaller space as so many employees were working from home. Lots of companies moved out of SF in the last few years for various well-known reasons. I wonder if he lived somewhere in the Bay Area during this work period or was in Hawaii all that time.
 
There is still a truecar website so I think the company is still open.

Yelp had its headquarters in the same building and they left and opened new hqs at a smaller space as so many employees were working from home. Lots of companies moved out of SF in the last few years for various well-known reasons. I wonder if he lived somewhere in the Bay Area during this work period or was in Hawaii all that time.
I believe I read that they are also not renewing their lease for the Santa Monica location (idk if they're going fully remote), so I'm not sure how well TrueCar is doing atm. Regardless of whether he was laid off or quit on his own accord, It's curious that he felt the need to lie about it to his family.
 
@otto
Here are some more date related data points

In June, Mangione's last post on X.com shared a discussion on the impact of smart phones and social media on mental health and brain plasticity.

In July, a Google search shows a friend wrote that he hadn’t been heard from in months. “You made commitments to me for my wedding and if you can’t honor them I need to know so I can plan accordingly,” the friend wrote in a post that has been deleted.

In October, another user tried to check in with Mangione on X. An Internet search shows the now-deleted post said: “Hey are you ok? Nobody has heard from you in months, and apparently your family is looking for you.”In November, media reports indicate Mangione’s mother reported him missing to San Francisco Police. The department declined multiple requests to confirm that information to USA TODAY or provide any details.
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IMO - The June post was to prepare for the July drop (Stage setting).
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The USA Today article below was a good primer for me on why we pay higher health costs here in the US. The health care industry is not a business model that I am well linformed about, so this case is a real eye opener for me.

"The tragic shooting of an insurance executive has highlighted the distinctive aspects of the nation's health care system.

Andrew Witty, the CEO of UnitedHealth Group, parent company of UnitedHealthcare, said in an op-ed Friday that the slaying of Thompson was "unconscionable." But he also acknowledged the flaws that so many Americans see in their medical care.

"We know the health system does not work as well as it should, and we understand people’s frustrations with it," he wrote."


 

<modsnip: Quoted post was removed> ... in my city and state (NYC, NY). I’m a retired government employee with both a city and state union, and we are blessed with great insurance.

I have family members who are not as fortunate. I do know that many health insurance companies are skilled in allowing customers to dangle precariously when it comes time to effectuate their alleged coverage.

That said, as more info has come out about LM, my ideas about him have evolved away from him being a self-imagined “warrior” for better health care.

Neither he nor his mother were insured by UHC so neither were failed by it. Luigi did have back surgery so he wasn’t denied care.

With some distance now from when his identity was unknown, I see him much more as an egotistical fantasist who wanted renown or notoriety of some sort.

Here’s a young man who’s mournful about being three millennia too late to be Pythagorus. Here’s a young man who believes he knows more about remedying Japanese population rates than anyone in Japan.

He comes from an enormous family and was accomplished and distinguished, but only in his sphere. I do think he slacked off and then, due to pain, or drugs, or a mental breakdown decided that this was the way to make his mark.

Even if his identity remained hidden, IMO he would’ve seen himself as someone who’d perpetrated an ingenious crime. Murder in midtown Manhattan, on camera.

JMO. I truly don’t believe he cares about the suffering of anyone other than himself. Particularly as he allowed his family to anguish over his whereabouts.

JMO
 
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The USA Today article below was a good primer for me on why we pay higher health costs here in the US. The health care industry is not a business model that I am well linformed about, so this case is a real eye opener for me.

"The tragic shooting of an insurance executive has highlighted the distinctive aspects of the nation's health care system.

Andrew Witty, the CEO of UnitedHealth Group, parent company of UnitedHealthcare, said in an op-ed Friday that the slaying of Thompson was "unconscionable." But he also acknowledged the flaws that so many Americans see in their medical care.

"We know the health system does not work as well as it should, and we understand people’s frustrations with it," he wrote."


Ooof it is really hard to take an article seriously when just for the first reason someone has written this nonsense:

''Patients have more elbow room and privacy here. U.S. hospitals typically have either one or two patients per room, unlike facilities abroad that tend to have open wards with rows of beds, Chernew said. He said differences in labor markets and regulatory requirements also can pack on costs.''

Anybody who has used public hospital facilities in other countries (I have been to hospitals in four different countries) knows this statement is laughable, and even more laughable when referring to private hospitals. What is the intention behind including that as a statement of fact? Sheer ignorance from the reporter who has not carried out proper research to write this, or an attempt to fool those who have never experienced healthcare abroad? Has this article been somehow sponsored by a private healthcare insurance provider (or a group of them)? Are some Americans that gullible they believe this?!?

These are the questions that came to my mind immediately after reading that first reason. I shall read the remaining six when my eyes stop rolling.

Jmoo.
 
IMO - I wouldn’t get hung up on whether his mom may have “thought” he was physically working in the office as compared to still WFH. It was a crazy time with 20 something year olds all over the place.

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@mrstfs After further thought, I would like to retract my prior point of view as it relates to not getting hung up on where a 20 something year old was during the pandemic.

I realized I was looking at it from a different seat at the table.

If I look at it through the lens of the mother of a 20 something year old during a global pandemic, I have a different perspective.
 
@mrstfs After further thought, I would like to retract my prior point of view as it relates to not getting hung up on where a 20 something year old was during the pandemic.

I realized I was looking at it from a different seat at the table.

If I look at it through the lens of the mother of a 20 something year old during a global pandemic, I have a different perspective.

I’m curious to hear more about your perspective. I should elaborate on my thoughts. What struck me was the fact that it was Nov 2024 and his mother still thought he worked for TrueCar when we know he hadn’t worked there since 2023. I was focused more on the fact of his employment status as opposed to location of where he worked. Also I guess I don’t consider 2023-2024 “during the pandemic” so I wasn’t considering pandemic moving around but that’s just me. Btw, do we know when his mom hired a PI?
 
IMHO the cases are drastically different in terms of evidence. There wasn’t as much direct evidence in the OJ trial and OJ wasn’t found with a note saying “it had to be done”. But who know with juries sometimes. Moo
Also, IIRC there was evidence in the OJ trial that was ruled not admissible. One very incriminating thing was Nicole's diary of abuse that she kept in a safe deposit box. I still think there was enough to convict him, but he had some great attorneys. And he was a big sports hero in his day. I do think it was a one-off. In the case of LM, there's so much direct and damning evidence that cannot be ignored, IMHO. If he makes it to trial, I have no doubt that he'll be convicted. None. Zero. Zilch.
 
Who Will Receive Reward $$$ Offered by FBI?
Given that the police were already having him down as a suspect, even to the point of questioning his mother, will the McDonalds worker/elderly customer still be entitled to the reward? they pinpointed his location but he was already a person of interest.
@BrianJohnson Good question. Briefly IDK.

Dec. 7,"The FBI announced Friday night it was offering a $50,000 reward for information leading to an arrest and conviction."*
^ That relates to WHEN reward payment may be made.^
Sorry that I cannot find link to the FBI's online poster, which had previously been on fbi.gov. Any one see it still in MSM article?

I'm not sure how anyone not in FBI, NYC-PD, or prosecutorial position could answer OP's question already. As others have posted here on WS, it's likely some ppl have also passed tips re LM to FBI or NYC-PD. Maybe very helpful info.

Personally I don't have a solid FACTUAL read of the events at McD's the morning the phone call was made. Seems the tip helped lead to LM's ARREST.

Is it possible that later someone else may provide info to FBI (or NYC-PD, et al) that may be extreeemely helpful at trial in which LM is eventually CONVICTED? More helpful than locating LM initially? IDK.

A FBI "Policy Directive" ** covers offering & approving monetary rewards to members of the public for advertised solicitations for info leading to arrests & convictions, etc.
The lower half of page 1 has the Meat & Potatoes of it, w pages 5 & 6 explaining abbreviations & acronyms to help sort & digest the Alphabet Soup.

Regardless imo, it boils down to deciding on a case-by-case basis who to reward under the facts & specific circumstances.

And before LM's trial, no reward.
Hoping for a conviction of the "right" perp and that he/she/they/whoever can enjoy the reward.

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* Dec. 7 story in AP
FBI offers $50,000 reward for information about gunman who killed UnitedHealthcare’s CEO

** FBI "Policy Directive"
 
I have a question for gun owners. If he were to go to shooting range to learn to shoot would they check his weapon? I'm curious about where he was able to learn to shoot the ghost gun.

IIRC, ghost guns are illegal under federal law. So I doubt he would take it to a shooting range. He must have used a remote location to practice his shooting. JMO.
 
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