NY - UnitedHealthcare CEO Brian Thompson fatally shot in Midtown. #11 *Arrest*

[legalese]

Karma

What?

 

[BUF]

i was thinking the same thing! i thought we weren’t going to see him for a while. but i guess they can take pictures and film in the court hallways, just not in the actual courtroom

This was LM and his attorney inside the courtroom

 

[Jw192]

I come from a medical background on the operations side. I despise the policies and the dirty games of Big Pharma, Insurance companies, and Hospitals probably as much or more than anyone. I've seen it up close and personal.

Violence is never the solution, and the killing of one CEO of one HealthCare Group isn't going to change anything. I find it ironic that LM has now plead Not Guilty when he had his confession manifestos in his backpack and there is video surveillance of him pretty much from start to finish.

If he was really taking a stand and Not being a coward like TK, why not just plead guilty and face the penalty of your deliberately chosen actions?

JMO

Personally I think the decision to plead not guilty may have more to do with the charges more than anything. Namely the terrorism aspect.

I struggle a bit with the term "manifesto" in this case too, I agree that the 'To the Feds' letter falls into manifesto territory by way of the issuer view angle, but overall it could be argued by someone much more knowledgeable on the matter that it isn't actually a manifesto as such. It had no threats or intentions and didn't name anybody, I'm talking the written letter not the notebooks, which I believe did name UHC. The letter in a sense does seem to be an admission though, and whilst I'm positive the the defense have someone already lined up to explain that away, it makes me think that if he had have been charged with murder 2 and firearms which are the correct charges per NY laws and standards, we would have been hearing a different plea from LM today.

 

[NuttMegg]

I come from a medical background on the operations side. I despise the policies and the dirty games of Big Pharma, Insurance companies, and Hospitals probably as much or more than anyone. I've seen it up close and personal.

Violence is never the solution, and the killing of one CEO of one HealthCare Group isn't going to change anything. I find it ironic that LM has now plead Not Guilty when he had his confession manifestos in his backpack and there is video surveillance of him pretty much from start to finish.

If he was really taking a stand and Not being a coward like TK, why not just plead guilty and face the penalty of your deliberately chosen actions?

JMO

Because stretching it out will draw world class attention. Besides, why should he plead guilty when the charges are not consistent with charges for other single murders. NY says 2nd degree murder is for everyone except Luigi who dared to kill a guy being investigated for insider trading to the tune of many millions. While UHC tries to threaten ppl taking their babies and loved ones to the emergency room, by saying they won't pay for emergency room visits that don't meet their algorithm.

https://www.myjournalcourier.com/business/article/united-healthcare-ceo-kept-a-low-public-profile-19959716.php#content

"Thompson also drew attention in 2021 when the insurer, like its competitors, was widely criticized for a plan to start denying payment for what it deemed non-critical visits to hospital emergency rooms."

 

[Jw192]

There was a huge public presence outside the courthouse today too, which of course won't be shown and will be played down

 

[girlhasnoname]

Personally I think the decision to plead not guilty may have more to do with the charges more than anything. Namely the terrorism aspect.

I struggle a bit with the term "manifesto" in this case too, I agree that the 'To the Feds' letter falls into manifesto territory by way of the issuer view angle, but overall it could be argued by someone much more knowledgeable on the matter that it isn't actually a manifesto as such. It had no threats or intentions and didn't name anybody, I'm talking the written letter not the notebooks, which I believe did name UHC. The letter in a sense does seem to be an admission though, and whilst I'm positive the the defense have someone already lined up to explain that away, it makes me think that if he had have been charged with murder 2 and firearms which are the correct charges per NY laws and standards, we would have been hearing a different plea from LM today.

Maybe, I respect and appreciate differing opinions.

 

[detective.moon]

LM is wearing matching outfits with his attorney today, wonder if they do this on purpose. could be something that people might find cute and likeable. or maybe i’m reading too much into things and they didn’t actually coordinate their outfits, lol

Luigi Mangione's attorney blasts police, mayor for using the accused CEO killer as 'political fodder'

Luigi Mangione appeared Monday morning before Judge Gregory Carro. The arraignment is in regard to 11 charges filed against him in the state of New York.

abcnews.go.com

 

[girlhasnoname]

Because stretching it out will draw world class attention. Besides, why should he plead guilty when the charges are not consistent with charges for other single murders. NY says 2nd degree murder is for everyone except Luigi who dared to kill a guy being investigated for insider trading to the tune of many millions. While UHC tries to threaten ppl taking their babies and loved ones to the emergency room, by saying they won't pay for emergency room visits that don't meet their algorithm.

LM did murder a 'guy', Brian Thompson, who is the Victim here regardless of his position or what company he worked for.

Changes to the Healthcare Industry have to come by Legislation and productive lobbying and activism, not vigilante justice. It's a broken system and needs a complete overhaul top to bottom.

MOO

EBM: Spelling

 

[legalese]

Because stretching it out will draw world class attention. Besides, why should he plead guilty when the charges are not consistent with charges for other single murders. NY says 2nd degree murder is for everyone except Luigi who dared to kill a guy being investigated for insider trading to the tune of many millions. While UHC tries to threaten ppl taking their babies and loved ones to the emergency room, by saying they won't pay for emergency room visits that don't meet their algorithm.

I agree with this, just wanted to add that defendants enter a not guilty plea at arraignment 99.999999% of the time. At this stage of the case, defendants and their attorneys only have limited information and evidence available to them.

 

[BUF]

Video inside courtroom during his arraignment

Watch: Luigi Mangione's attorney addresses court during arraignment

During Luigi Mangione's arraignment on New York state charges Monday, his attorney, Karen Friedman Agnifilo, addressed the court about concerns she has about Mangione having a fair trial in the case. Mangione pleaded not guilty to murder and terrorism charges stemming from the fatal shooting of...

www.cbsnews.com

 

[detective.moon]

Luigi Mangione's NY judge, Gregory Carro, is tough on crime and sympathetic to victims

Mangione's NY judge is no-nonsense and victim-focused, veteran New York legal minds said.

www.businessinsider.com

from the article, sbm

• Luigi Mangione's NY judge is Gregory Carro, described as tough on crime and sympathetic to victims.
• Lawyers call him no-nonsense, and some say he leans pro-prosecution.
• Carro has allowed video and still photography in his courtroom during past high-profile proceedings.

 

[legalese]

NY Audio-Visual Coverage Rules: https://ww2.nycourts.gov/rules/chiefadmin/131.shtml

Section 131.1 Purpose; general provisions.
(a) In order to maintain the broadest scope of public access to the courts, to preserve public confidence in the Judiciary, and to foster public understanding of the role of the Judicial Branch in civil society, it is the policy of the Unified Court System to facilitate the audio-visual coverage of court proceedings to the fullest extent permitted by the New York Civil Rights Law and other statutes, as interpreted by New York courts, pursuant to the rules set forth below.

(b) Audio-visual coverage of proceedings in which the testimony of parties or witnesses by subpoena or other compulsory process is or may be taken is prohibited. (See, Civil Rights Law §52.)

(c) Audio-visual coverage of party or witness testimony in any court proceeding (other than a plea at an arraignment) is prohibited.

 

[Betty P]

What?

Karma for the NYC Mayor and his big, dramatic news media perp walk for LM. What goes around comes around. Mayor has enough problems of his own to tempt fate.

Sorry, interrupted by too many phone calls today.

 

[girlhasnoname]

I agree with this, just wanted to add that defendants enter a not guilty plea at arraignment 99.999999% of the time. At this stage of the case, defendants and their attorneys only have limited information and evidence available to them.

I understand that, but in this type of case, doesn't that fly in the very face of LM's supposed reasoning of committing this murder?

I guess it might be different to claim one thing in letters/writings or manifestos, and then claim something different when you're facing the reality of many years behind bars.

MOO

 

[NuttMegg]

LM did murder a 'guy', Brian Thomas, who is the Victim here regardless of his position or what company he worked for.

Changes to the Healthcare Industry have to come by Legislation and productive lobbying and activism, not vigilante justice. It's a broken system and needs a complete overhaul top to bottom.

MOO

It won't ever be overhauled by activism. Not ever. The fox is in charge of the hen house.

The answer(s) is ( are) political, can't elaborate here.

 

[girlhasnoname]

Because stretching it out will draw world class attention. Besides, why should he plead guilty when the charges are not consistent with charges for other single murders. NY says 2nd degree murder is for everyone except Luigi who dared to kill a guy being investigated for insider trading to the tune of many millions. While UHC tries to threaten ppl taking their babies and loved ones to the emergency room, by saying they won't pay for emergency room visits that don't meet their algorithm.

https://www.myjournalcourier.com/business/article/united-healthcare-ceo-kept-a-low-public-profile-19959716.php#content

"Thompson also drew attention in 2021 when the insurer, like its competitors, was widely criticized for a plan to start denying payment for what it deemed non-critical visits to hospital emergency rooms."

RBBM

Brian Thompson did not operate UHC or practice in a vacuum. Like your link above says UHC 'like its competitors' are widely criticized for a plan to start denying payments to ER's.

JMO

 

[girlhasnoname]

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LM is wearing matching outfits with his attorney today, wonder if they do this on purpose. could be something that people might find cute and likeable. or maybe i’m reading too much into things and they didn’t actually coordinate their outfits, lol

Luigi Mangione's attorney blasts police, mayor for using the accused CEO killer as 'political fodder'

Luigi Mangione appeared Monday morning before Judge Gregory Carro. The arraignment is in regard to 11 charges filed against him in the state of New York.

abcnews.go.com

I'm pretty sure that what LM was wearing and how he was presenting himself was a very intentional decision on the part of the Defense. These are high stakes.

JMO

 

[legalese]

I understand that, but in this type of case, doesn't that fly in the very face of LM's supposed reasoning of committing this murder?

I guess it might be different to claim one thing in letters/writings or manifestos, and then claim something different when you're facing the reality of many years behind bars.

MOO

I don’t think the not guilty plea at this stage is contradictory, no, especially with the sheer number of charges against LM. Any competent attorney will advise their client to enter a plea of not guilty to start, and a judge is unlikely to allow a guilty plea prior to the defendant and counsel receiving discovery and having a chance to review it.

This isn’t to say he will never change his plea to guilty—he always has that option! I suspect he will eventually plead guilty rather than go to trial.

 

[Jw192]

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LM is wearing matching outfits with his attorney today, wonder if they do this on purpose. could be something that people might find cute and likeable. or maybe i’m reading too much into things and they didn’t actually coordinate their outfits, lol

Luigi Mangione's attorney blasts police, mayor for using the accused CEO killer as 'political fodder'

Luigi Mangione appeared Monday morning before Judge Gregory Carro. The arraignment is in regard to 11 charges filed against him in the state of New York.

abcnews.go.com

If you see the MSM footage of LM going into court he is blatantly playing the camera. When he's coming out of court he's asked if he has anything to say and his none verbal reaction is going to feed the masses for an age... He knows what he's doing and so does his Lawyer. Personally, I don't blame them, if the state of NY wants to turn a basic murder trial into a clown show then why not play the game too so to speak.

I've just seen footage too of inside the courtroom of her handing what looks to be printouts of letters and what she says is a picture to him, and the huge (overkill) mass of guards around him discuss what he can and cannot take back with him.

The whole thing is cuckoos nest

 

[NuttMegg]

RBBM

Brian Thompson did not operate UHC or practice in a vacuum. Like your link above says UHC 'like its competitors' are widely criticized for a plan to start denying payments to ER's.

JMO

Yes of course, what do they call that, collusion? One of the links I posted yesterday showed that the rate that UHC denies post acute care to elderly stroke victims increased drastically under BT. Iirc ~7% denial in 2019 to ~22 % denial under BT.