NY - UnitedHealthcare CEO Brian Thompson fatally shot in Midtown. #11 *Arrest*

[Trino]

it seems to me that many people do support LM’s stance on health care, i just wonder - what will happen with that support? will people come together for change, in an effective way? how would that even work? i think many people felt like things wouldn’t ever change, and now feel a spark of change in the air, with something unimaginable like this happening, the killing of a ceo being the symbol of “this system is not untouchable”.

UHC is a private company. I don't know how ordinary people covered by them will be able to change anything, although it will be interesting to watch AI and feedback about health care denials. I wonder if a law about AI might be the answer.

 

[GRT]

UHC is a private company. I don't know how ordinary people covered by them will be able to change anything, although it will be interesting to watch AI and feedback about health care denials. I wonder if a law about AI might be the answer.

I think we'd have to see a push at the congressional level.

 

[Moonchild90]

That's for sure.

But I am kind of wondering if the terrorism charge will be dropped. It would be tough to prove since LM's writings indicate his act was one of revenge for specific (and personal) reasons.

JMOO

He clearly hates the health insurance industry, but I'm getting the distinct impression that he thought BT "deserved to die" because of who he was--rather than killing to force an industry to change its ways.

I think LM is a little too privileged and egotistical to have taken action for any reason other than himself.

IMO

I really believe, Kaczyński's manifesto was Luigi's trigger. His review of a book (Goodreads - now locked) tells us everything we need to know.

 

[detective.moon]

IMO

I really believe, Kaczyński's manifesto was Luigi's trigger. His review of a book (Goodreads - now locked) tells us everything we need to know.

i watched a documentary about Kaczyński this week and there’s so many similarities! i think TK was a clear inspiration to LM, and then there’s some accidental similarities too, like both having close family members tell the fbi “it might have been him”

 

[girlhasnoname]

I think we'd have to see a push at the congressional level.

That has been my whole point this entire time. You don't 'fix' a major problem like Healthcare by gunning down one person of one company. It's soooo much bigger than this.

It needs to be addressed, advocated and legislated at the Government levels. This one murder did not change a thing. Let's see in the months to come if people get their grievances and concerns of unfair practices magically fixed and operating at the same for all. It hasn't happened in the past, and it won't because of what LM did.

It will take a huge, massive effort by a lot more people than a disgruntled killer born into and shared the privileges of the very 1% club that he holds responsible. Never mind that he was afforded to attend an exclusive private school to the tune of approx $35K per year, and to an Ivy League College for a Bachelors and Master Degree I would guesstimate to be in the $200-$300K range. LM had top of the line gear, traveled extensively and enjoyed parts of the very Capitalism he rails against in his letters/manifestos.

LM is no Saint and no Hero, he is a self serving cowardly killer.

JMO

 

[girlhasnoname]

i watched a documentary about Kaczyński this week and there’s so many similarities! i think TK was a clear inspiration to LM, and then there’s some accidental similarities too, like both having close family members tell the fbi “it might have been him”

Yes, who knows how many more innocent people would have died had TK's SIL turned him in Authorities? The families did not want to see the carnage continue, I personally respect their decisions to come forward to protect the general population. It could not have be an easy decision in either case.

JMO

 

[girlhasnoname]

Ultimately, it is still economical, my question is how to predict when "one of such cases" will turn sociopolitical. As of today, it signals a deepening chasm between “the haves” and “have nots.”

In the minds of the people who agree with LM, BT belongs to 1% in wealth. That is all.


So Nordstrom, a monopoly, made a big deal before Christmas, lol!

Yes, ironically from the actions of the Defendant and his Attorney. JMO

 

[GRT]

That has been my whole point this entire time. You don't 'fix' a major problem like Healthcare by gunning down one person of one company. It's soooo much bigger than this.

It needs to be addressed, advocated and legislated at the Government levels. This one murder did not change a thing. Let's see in the months to come if people get their grievances and concerns of unfair practices magically fixed and operating at the same for all. It hasn't happened in the past, and it won't because of what LM did.

It will take a huge, massive effort by a lot more people than a disgruntled killer born into and shared the privileges of the very 1% club that he holds responsible. Never mind that he was afforded to attend an exclusive private school to the tune of approx $35K per year, and to an Ivy League College for a Bachelors and Master Degree I would guesstimate to be in the $200-$300K range. LM had top of the line gear, traveled extensively and enjoyed parts of the very Capitalism he rails against in his letters/manifestos.

LM is no Saint and no Hero, he is a self serving cowardly killer.

JMO

Right. It will take a massive effort, and the insurance lobby will heavily oppose it.

However, after BT was killed, Anthem Blue Cross Blue Shield reversed its decision to implement limited payment on anesthesia based on the amount of time it thought a surgery should take.

Was that decision related? Almost certainly, although BCBS was under a lot of pressure over that decision.

The fact LM was privileged probably weighs more in his favor (with his supporters) than against him because they will see it as he had more to lose than the average guy--and he did it for them. MOO

The more I read about it -- the more I think LM carried out this killing strictly for himself, with no altruistic concerns. I think he was angry at the pain he'd suffered and may suffer for the rest of his life, and he wanted someone to pay for that.

But a large segment of society is standing behind him, thinking he sacrificed his freedom for their well-being. We do have some political entities, like Chris Murphy, the US Senator from Connecticut, who are already calling for changes.

However, all that could simmer on a backburner unless we see some copycat crimes, in which case it might have a bigger effect. Eventually, I think we'll see big changes in the insurance industry--there's another thread here on WS about insurance stories--but that will likely be the result of outcry against the insurers more than LM's killing of BT.

All just MOO.

 

[citygirl]

Ex-prosecutor points to Luigi Mangione's "only real defen...

Former Assistant U.S. Attorney Nick Akerman said that "there's no question about his liability here."

www.newsweek.com

Luigi Mangione's "only real defense" would be to plead insanity or to say he has some kind of mental defect, former Assistant U.S. Attorney Nick Akerman said.

"I think the only real defense that you can possibly have here is some kind of insanity or mental defect defense," Ackerman, who served as a Watergate prosecutor, told CNN on Tuesday. The legal analyst's assessment came after he said that "there's no question about his liability here."

Ackerman told CNN: "They've got him coming into New York. They've got almost every step he took, including the actual murder, on tape. There's no way he gets out from under the fact that he can't claim innocence based on the facts."

Neama Rahmani, co-founder of West Coast Trial Lawyers and a former federal prosecutor, previously told Newsweek: "Insanity may be his only defense because it's a very hard case to defend on the merits and argue he wasn't the killer. DNA, fingerprint and ballistics evidence puts him at or near the scene. The video appears to be him, and his manifesto explains his motive. The plotting and premeditation undercut the potential insanity argument, however."

Do you think the pros would accept a plea for 2nd degree murder?

 

[nhmemorymaker]

Exactly. In pretty much every other state (if not every other state), they could simply charge first degree murder based on the premeditation, which is the most obvious thing in the world.

That is a significant detail. And perplexing. Why is NY , NY?

 

[girlhasnoname]

Right. It will take a massive effort, and the insurance lobby will heavily oppose it.

However, after BT was killed, Anthem Blue Cross Blue Shield reversed its decision to implement limited payment on anesthesia based on the amount of time it thought a surgery should take.

Was that decision related? Almost certainly, although BCBS was under a lot of pressure over that decision.

The fact LM was privileged probably weighs more in his favor (with his supporters) than against him because they will see it as he had more to lose than the average guy--and he did it for them. MOO

The more I read about it -- the more I think LM carried out this killing strictly for himself, with no altruistic concerns. I think he was angry at the pain he'd suffered and may suffer for the rest of his life, and he wanted someone to pay for that.

But a large segment of society is standing behind him, thinking he sacrificed his freedom for their well-being. We do have some political entities, like Chris Murphy, the US Senator from Connecticut, who are already calling for changes.

However, all that could simmer on a backburner unless we see some copycat crimes, in which case it might have a bigger effect. Eventually, I think we'll see big changes in the insurance industry--there's another thread here on WS about insurance stories--but that will likely be the result of outcry against the insurers more than LM's killing of BT.

All just MOO.

RSBBM

< I think he was angry at the pain he'd suffered and may suffer for the rest of his life, and he wanted someone to pay for that.>

What pain did LM suffer and might continue to suffer for the rest of his life? He had an alleged back issue, received surgery for it after surf boarding in Hawaii exasperated it, and claimed on SM that he was 100% and felt great after the surgery. Why would anyone have to PAY by being murdered? Not the Doctor or Hospital who performed a successful operation on him, and certainly not a man who wasn't even the CEO of LM's Healthcare Coverage.

LM's pain and suffering didn't change his lifestyle of traveling, working out, and posting on SM like any other 26 yo. There are millions of people suffering from serous, life-threatening diseases that are not afforded the medical treatment they need to just simply exist. Should they now take up arms against the Healthcare system?

Violence is never the answer and making a 'Saint' out of an accused murderer is not either.

MOO

 

[nhmemorymaker]

Right. It will take a massive effort, and the insurance lobby will heavily oppose it.

However, after BT was killed, Anthem Blue Cross Blue Shield reversed its decision to implement limited payment on anesthesia based on the amount of time it thought a surgery should take.

Was that decision related? Almost certainly, although BCBS was under a lot of pressure over that decision.

The fact LM was privileged probably weighs more in his favor (with his supporters) than against him because they will see it as he had more to lose than the average guy--and he did it for them. MOO

The more I read about it -- the more I think LM carried out this killing strictly for himself, with no altruistic concerns. I think he was angry at the pain he'd suffered and may suffer for the rest of his life, and he wanted someone to pay for that.

But a large segment of society is standing behind him, thinking he sacrificed his freedom for their well-being. We do have some political entities, like Chris Murphy, the US Senator from Connecticut, who are already calling for changes.

However, all that could simmer on a backburner unless we see some copycat crimes, in which case it might have a bigger effect. Eventually, I think we'll see big changes in the insurance industry--there's another thread here on WS about insurance stories--but that will likely be the result of outcry against the insurers more than LM's killing of BT.

All just MOO.

Lots of different points in your post. One killing with a martyr will change nothing. Copycat killings, are likely, in my mind, but will just cause societal distress and the Insurance Industry getting stronger.

I just go back to Columbine. Remember Virginia Tech? Remember Parkland?
How about Roseburg Oregon, and Red Lake Minnesota?
And Nickle Mines Pennsylvania?? So painful for me, that I had to travel there to mourn.

I guess my point is, what is worse than killing gobs of children?

All this pain, is American.
American society and the trends within American government of late will change nothing.

 

[girlhasnoname]

Do you think the pros would accept a plea for 2nd degree murder?

I don't believe they would unless LM has a documented history of MH issues. If he does, then perhaps they might consider it, but I don't believe they will go lightly on the act of violence LM carefully pre-planned and executed against an innocent man.

LM is going to do some serious prison time, as he (or anyone) should, if found guilty by a jury of his peers.

IMO

 

[Sundog]

If LM does have the kind of money that a person would need to pay attorneys from the law firm of Agnifilo Intrater LLP, the firm that is also representing Sean "Diddy" Combs, then I wonder if Brian Thompson's family would consider filing a civil lawsuit against LM to get some justice for Brian. Brian's family could donate any award received to the charity of their choice.

Also, I wonder if Brian Thompson's family could file a civil lawsuit against LM's family, given the mother's statement that she believed that LM could do something like murder Brian Thompson and it wasn't reported to the authorities that not only was he missing, but he could be a threat to the public.

I wonder if these kinds of civil lawsuits could also help with getting information through depositions, information that might be useful to the prosecutors in both the state and federal cases.

 

[GRT]

I didn't say that, I simply asked a question to a statement you made that LM was angry and wanted someone to pay. That's all.

JMO

I prefaced that with, “I think…”

That was an opinion. Not a statement. My entire post concludes with, “All MOO.”

I have no desire to get into a spitting match over opinions.

 

[GRT]

If LM does have the kind of money that a person would need to pay attorneys from the law firm of Agnifilo Intrater LLP, the firm that is also representing Sean "Diddy" Combs, then I wonder if Brian Thompson's family would consider filing a civil lawsuit against LM to get some justice for Brian. Brian's family could donate any award received to the charity of their choice.

Also, I wonder if Brian Thompson's family could file a civil lawsuit against LM's family, given the mother's statement that she believed that LM could do something like murder Brian Thompson and it wasn't reported to the authorities that not only was he missing, but he could be a threat to the public.

I wonder if these kinds of civil lawsuits could also help with getting information through depositions, information that might be useful to the prosecutors in both the state and federal cases.

I think a civil suit may be likely. Against LM. Probably not against his mother.

 

[MassGuy]

Do you think the pros would accept a plea for 2nd degree murder?

Yes, as I think that was partially the point of charging first degree murder.

It would be a matter of agreeing on a sentence.

 

[GRT]

Do you think the pros would accept a plea for 2nd degree murder?

He is charged with second degree murder. But, he’s also charged with first degree murder as lt relates to terrorism.

I think it will hinge on whether the PA can show it falls under terrorism.

 

[Tricia]

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[Friday Fan]

Do you think the pros would accept a plea for 2nd degree murder?

I don't think LM will plea or is even entertaining it. His ego is too big. MOO