NY - UnitedHealthcare CEO Brian Thompson fatally shot in Midtown. #11 *Arrest*

[justpeachy22]

I don't know if this has been mentioned publicly but did they find a vehicle when they arrested LM?
Public transportation from New York to Altoona is not very straightfoward, there are a lot of different buses to take if you want to go there on purpose. It's just a very random location. It makes more sense if LM had a vehicle and was just travelling west (Altoona is by the I-80, route New York to San Francisco, last known residence). Very convenient by car, not so convenient by public transportation.
It also makes sense as a way to store the rest of his belongings, even extreme minimalists would struggle to live out a small backpack for weeks or weeks or months.
My hunch is that he was living in his car (van?), at least until the day of the arrest.
I wonder if it has been mentioned somewhere that they seized a vehicle by the McDonalds. Or maybe it's still there?

Correct me if needed, but I thought it had been determined that he took the train from nyc to Pittsburg, and then the greyhound bus (again) from Pittsburg to Altoona where he was waiting for his motel room to be ready (they sent him away initially and told him to come back later). I’d like to know if greyhound has a pickup drop off in Altoona. I’m going to assume he was planning to take the greyhound bus out of Altoona and head back east when things had died down in nyc. No car.

 

[LinasK]

Someone up above thought it was a brilliant move on her part and I have to say I totally agree. Her husband even had a matching tie. From a defense attorney’s perspective, if Nordstrom is selling out of their sweater because of the team image you created with your client, that’s a good thing. (Rolls eyes)
And ps. The irony is that LM must have hated that sweater and the idea. lol

Matchy-matchy may help sell sweaters at Nordstrom's, but I don't think it'll have the same impact on a jury.

 

[Betty P]

I'm not sure if this has been posted. I searched the threads but they are moving so fast I may have missed it. (actually I thought I posted it! lol)
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Luigi Mangione's Grandmother Left Family Members Millions, So Long as They Didn't Commit Crimes

Mangione was arrested on Dec. 9 in Altoona, Pa. He's accused of murdering UnitedHealthcare CEO Brian Thompson.

people.com

Accused murderer Luigi Mangione’s grandmother reportedly left tens of millions of dollars to her children and grandchildren after she died, but did so on one condition: that any grandchild receiving inheritance money not be “charged, indicted, convicted of or pleads guilty to a felony.”

Yes, that was discussed about a week ago. Not sure if it has any bearing on his criminal case.

 

[Angelcat13]

It doesn't matter what age he is. If a close family member knew or suspected that he could be a danger to society then they should have reported it and warned LE and shared with them whatever they knew or suspected. Did they know he had gone off the deep end about the health care industry? Did the family fear him because he was acting strangely and they felt they could be in danger, too? This is all hypothetical, of course, but questions could be asked during depositions.

As a parent, I think it would be incredibly difficult to truly believe that your child - even an adult child - would be capable of something like this. Perhaps it might become “easier” (though I don’t really think that is the right word) if your child had been difficult (i.e. volatile, hostile, violent, etc) and/or had mental health and/or substance abuse issues. But if your child had been a “shining star” (i.e. great student and or athlete with no history of violence, etc) I think it would be almost impossible to believe your child could become THIS person.

 

[Angelcat13]

Yes, that was discussed about a week ago. Not sure if it has any bearing on his criminal case.

I don’t have much experience with wills, etc but this seemed like a very unusual clause (IMO) to add to a will. This is something I have been wondering about and this post reminded me of my thoughts. I’d love to know from others here if they have come across this type of clause before, is it as unusual as it appears to be, etc. And more importantly, does anyone have any thoughts or knowledge if there was anything in the grandmother’s or family’s past that could have prompted her to include this in her will? Also, any idea of how old LM would have been when this clause was included in the will? Was the clause always there or was there something that prompted her to add it - whether with LM, another family member or perhaps even just some sort of life experience?

 

[Angelcat13]

I guarantee that there will be jurors sympathetic to UHC. I would be if I were selected for this jury.

Sorry, I have no sympathy for UHC. However I do have a great deal of sympathy for BT’s family, friends, co-workers, etc and for individuals who work at UHC because it is simply their job.

 

[al66pine]

Nordstrom. $$$ Left in LM's Backpack?

.... So Nordstrom, a monopoly, made a big deal before Christmas, lol!

snipped for focus @Charlot123
IDK if ^ post about Nordstrom* (NYSE: JWN) as a monopoly is serious, but a quick online skim is not showing any sign of the co. being a monopoly, imo.
Well, except for this on ebay** & similar sites :

"NORDOPOLY - Nordstrom Monopoly (1989 Worldopoly-Style Board Game) *COMPLETE/NIB*"

Anyone seen further description of the "Monopoly" money in his backpack in C.Pk? Maybe actually "NORDOPOLY" money?

________________________
* Dec. 23, 2023. announcement. Some in N. fam & assoc's, paying $ 6.25 cash, plan take the co. private.

https://press.nordstrom.com/news-releases/news-release-details/nordstrom-be-acquired-nordstrom-family-and-liverpool

** NORDOPOLY - Nordstrom Monopoly (1989 Worldopoly-Style Board Game) *COMPLETE/NIB* | eBay

 

[Kapua]

I don't think LM will plea or is even entertaining it. His ego is too big. MOO

You never know what someone insane (IMHO) enough to commit such a monstrous crime will do. At this point, I am not assuming that he will opt for a jury trial, although I do think it's a strong possibility. MOO

 

[Luna20]

the family did not know where he was. He ghosted them and they were looking for him.
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what could they "report" beyond the missing persons?

That has me curious also. Its strange that they hired a PI to locate him for a missing persons report. Was it to spy on him? Were they afraid he was going to commit a crime?

The parents and/or the PI had to recognize him from the photos. Something seems to be up with the parents. I’m not sure what it could be but there are missing pieces.

 

[Luna20]

I'm not sure if this has been posted. I searched the threads but they are moving so fast I may have missed it. (actually I thought I posted it! lol)
Mods please delete this post if it has already been shared.....

Luigi Mangione's Grandmother Left Family Members Millions, So Long as They Didn't Commit Crimes

Mangione was arrested on Dec. 9 in Altoona, Pa. He's accused of murdering UnitedHealthcare CEO Brian Thompson.

people.com

Accused murderer Luigi Mangione’s grandmother reportedly left tens of millions of dollars to her children and grandchildren after she died, but did so on one condition: that any grandchild receiving inheritance money not be “charged, indicted, convicted of or pleads guilty to a felony.”

What happens in a case like this? Does it mean that you don’t receive your portion if you are already charged at the time of dispersing the funds?

 

[nhmemorymaker]

That has me curious also. Its strange that they hired a PI to locate him for a missing persons report. Was it to spy on him? Were they afraid he was going to commit a crime?

The parents and/or the PI had to recognize him from the photos. Something seems to be up with the parents. I’m not sure what it could be but there are missing pieces.

I don't find this strange at all. A distressed parent will do what they can to find their child...especially when they think they have a troubled child.

And there has been information in the press that the PI did recognize Luigi. Everything was just moving so fast.
Since LE met with the mother BEFORE he was exposed in Altoona.....the PI and mother knew it was him
moo

 

[nhmemorymaker]

I'm not sure if this has been posted. I searched the threads but they are moving so fast I may have missed it. (actually I thought I posted it! lol)
Mods please delete this post if it has already been shared.....

Luigi Mangione's Grandmother Left Family Members Millions, So Long as They Didn't Commit Crimes

Mangione was arrested on Dec. 9 in Altoona, Pa. He's accused of murdering UnitedHealthcare CEO Brian Thompson.

people.com

Accused murderer Luigi Mangione’s grandmother reportedly left tens of millions of dollars to her children and grandchildren after she died, but did so on one condition: that any grandchild receiving inheritance money not be “charged, indicted, convicted of or pleads guilty to a felony.”

Yes, We did have extensive conversation about the grandmother and the will.

To me, grandmother was a savvy and smart womañ. VERY well known and accomplished in Baltimore society. I feel she has some ways to protect her and the family's legacy.

 

[girlhasnoname]

What Mr. Geniius didn't figure on is that his jury will be comprised of New Yorkers who don't know him, people over age 26, and don't see him as the Big Man on Campus.

Yes and who will not tolerate the thought of a Terrorism related act in their State, especially after 911. IMO

 

[girlhasnoname]

There are many wealthy persons in major companies and political positions, etc., who are concerned about unfair practices affecting lower and middle class persons. A great example is Kean Reeves, one the the wealthiest actors in the world.

I love KR, but being concerned is not enough to change the rules. It needs Legislative Reform from the top down.
IMO

 

[girlhasnoname]

Now that I think about it, I wonder if her having a matching outfit is her way of saying she's on his side. Like one of his followers. JMO

Agreed, it was definitely deliberate IMO. Matching maroon sweater with white collared shirts underneath worn by both the Defendant and Defender was done to show a united front.

What would the odds possibly be that it was random? Very, very slim to none.

JMO

 

[girlhasnoname]

As a parent, I think it would be incredibly difficult to truly believe that your child - even an adult child - would be capable of something like this. Perhaps it might become “easier” (though I don’t really think that is the right word) if your child had been difficult (i.e. volatile, hostile, violent, etc) and/or had mental health and/or substance abuse issues. But if your child had been a “shining star” (i.e. great student and or athlete with no history of violence, etc) I think it would be almost impossible to believe your child could become THIS person.

It could be both IMO. LM was a shining star, intelligent and thriving up to a point, then something happened to cause the change in him. I feel it could be either a MH issue or becoming radicalized based on Propaganda being shoved down our throats via the Internet and SM.

Something led to the estrangement of his family and his 'ghosting' of them for a year. We just don't have enough information yet I believe to make a call either way.

JMO

 

[GRT]

I don't think I'd have an ounce of sympathy for UHC. But I still could convict their CEO'S killer.

Agreed.

Sympathy doesn't belong on the jury. The ability to render a verdict based on our laws is all that is required.

 

[GRT]

Now that I think about it, I wonder if her having a matching outfit is her way of saying she's on his side. Like one of his followers. JMO

That could be. Visual impressions can be powerful. Maybe it was intended to show a united front.

It seems more than a simple coincidence.

 

[GRT]

A few days ago, the idea of jury nullification came up here at WS, and legal experts agree that there's a high risk according to Newsweek.

Jury nullification occurs when a jury reaches a verdict of "not guilty" despite believing the defendant is guilty of the charges. This happens when jurors disregard the law, either because they think it is unjust, its application in the specific case is unfair, or they think the punishment would be disproportionate. Jurors cannot be punished for passing an "incorrect" verdict.

I can't remember a case where a killer had so much support.

 

[Charlot123]

Nordstrom. $$$ Left in LM's Backpack?

snipped for focus @Charlot123
IDK if ^ post about Nordstrom* (NYSE: JWN) as a monopoly is serious, but a quick online skim is not showing any sign of the co. being a monopoly, imo.
Well, except for this on ebay** & similar sites :

"NORDOPOLY - Nordstrom Monopoly (1989 Worldopoly-Style Board Game) *COMPLETE/NIB*"

Anyone seen further description of the "Monopoly" money in his backpack in C.Pk? Maybe actually "NORDOPOLY" money?

________________________
* Dec. 23, 2023. announcement. Some in N. fam & assoc's, paying $ 6.25 cash, plan take the co. private.

https://press.nordstrom.com/news-releases/news-release-details/nordstrom-be-acquired-nordstrom-family-and-liverpool

** NORDOPOLY - Nordstrom Monopoly (1989 Worldopoly-Style Board Game) *COMPLETE/NIB* | eBay

i don’t know, tbh. They were definitely going downhill, and recently the store has been looking better.