NY - UnitedHealthcare CEO Brian Thompson fatally shot in Midtown. #12 *Arrest*

[MassGuy]

Definitely not nonsense.
OJ Simpson case is considered jury nullification. Four officers who beat Rodney King - jury nullification. 1971 Camden draft office considered jury nullification. Emmett Till murders - jury nullification. Dr. Jack Kevorkian - jury nullification.

Jury nullification is when the jurors believe the defendant is guilty but for some reason - law was unjust, misapplied, too harsh punishment, etc. - refuse to convict. The outcome is called a hung jury, but the reasons are called jury nullification.

It is expected to be a leaning in this case.

That happening twice (federal and state), would be like winning the lottery twice. If the jury does anything like that in the state case, it would be for second degree murder in lieu of first. I could actually see that happening.

In the federal case though, it’s much easier for the prosecution to get a conviction on the max charges (no need to prove the terrorism angle).

This guy is cooked, and I’m not the least bit concerned.

 

[imstilla.grandma]

 

[NuttMegg]

SBM


But he and anyone else who kills innocent people should not get a lesser sentence and need to face the full extant of the law.
My opinion only.

Like Nikolas Cruz? Mangione is worse than Cruz? Point being that lesser sentences are not few and far between.

 

[Chimera]

Like Nikolas Cruz? Mangione is worse than Cruz? Point being that lesser sentences are not few and far between.

Bbm.
Re. the bolded : Oh, no, I didn't say nor imply that.
Agreed about lesser sentences due to our justice system, sometimes the length of the sentence may seem unfair given the severity of the crime.

The harsh facts are that the relatives of Brian are grieving no less than NC's victims' relatives.
I do believe that LM shouldn't receive a lesser sentence, my .02.
Both murdered innocent people.
We will see what the jury decides, though.


It's dismaying to see some people supporting LM, I can't decide if they're really thinking that a loser who murdered an innocent man did no wrong -- or if they're just opportunistic trolls.
Maybe a bit of both ?
Imo.

As GoFundMe pulls Luigi Mangione fundraisers, another platform is featuring one on its front page

Mangione has seen a wave of support online after it was announced that he was the primary suspect in the killing of UnitedHealthcare CEO Brian Thomas.

www.nbcnews.com

Mangione has seen a wave of support online after it was announced that he was the primary suspect in the killing of UnitedHealthcare CEO Brian Thomas.

 

[citygirl]

Fascinating.

 

[Trino]

In 2022, it was estimated that the CEO-to-worker compensation ratio was 344.3 in the United States.

Of course, this statistic is hard to digest, but the interesting thing is his father was CEO of Lorien Health Services and his mother was CEO of a travel company.

I don't get it. LM lived a life of leisure. He was raised with privilege and money. Why should he care about CEO's? Why did he specifically target Thompson? Was LM's absence and killing against insurance companies or was it some sort of parental back-lash? Where his parents present at his court appearance?

 

[Fawn]

It's dismaying to see some people supporting LM, I can't decide if they're really thinking that a loser who murdered an innocent man did no wrong -- or if they're just opportunistic trolls.
Maybe a bit of both ?
Imo.

Can only speak to what I’ve seen from, but for the younger supporters it’s a few things, in my opinion.

1. Subconscious relief that an entitled man with a gun didn’t attack third graders and instead picked a CEO.
2. Projecting political motives over personal grievances as the motive; seeing LM as an a selfless hero.
3. Some idea that he started a conversation in conjunction with misinformation about the Blue Cross Blue Shield anesthesia thing. LM didn’t have an impact.
4. General support for a magical, violent revolution that will somehow fix all the problems in the USA. LM is somehow the catalyst for change.

Personally, I am not swayed by these arguments. LM is a violent man and, judging by his Twitter, a racist weirdo as well. But he’s a violent, moderately attractive (so I have been told) man with a gun, so he’s actually the Mockingjay.

 

[imstilla.grandma]

"The reason for the decrease in the funds raised is due to donors either disputing their donation to the campaign or requesting refunds. We have no control over donations when they are disputed.

Luigi Mangione donors want their money back

People who donated to a GiveSendGo fundraiser for Luigi Mangione's legal fees are asking for their money back.

www.newsweek.com

 

[concernedcitizen706]

Are people still going to like Luigi, if they found out he had no particular knowledge about United Healthcare services, or the actions of the CEO, and that he knew of no one in particular who was denied service at United Healthcare? That he just picked it, because he knew it was a large company? And that he thought he would get famous if he killed somebody from a large company? You know the prosecution can probably prove his knowledge about United Healthcare with looking up his online searches and asking his personal acquaintances. Are people still going to think he's going to need a lesser sentence, when they find that out that Luigi knew nothing about United Healthcare?

 

[Sundog]

"The reason for the decrease in the funds raised is due to donors either disputing their donation to the campaign or requesting refunds. We have no control over donations when they are disputed.

Luigi Mangione donors want their money back

People who donated to a GiveSendGo fundraiser for Luigi Mangione's legal fees are asking for their money back.

www.newsweek.com

Maybe the donors who wanted their money back realized that they were supporting a depraved murderer and wanted out. Sadly, that was only a small group of donors but still hopeful that others might see the light.

 

[slowpoke]

Can only speak to what I’ve seen from, but for the younger supporters it’s a few things, in my opinion.

1. Subconscious relief that an entitled man with a gun didn’t attack third graders and instead picked a CEO.
2. Projecting political motives over personal grievances as the motive; seeing LM as an a selfless hero.
3. Some idea that he started a conversation in conjunction with misinformation about the Blue Cross Blue Shield anesthesia thing. LM didn’t have an impact.
4. General support for a magical, violent revolution that will somehow fix all the problems in the USA. LM is somehow the catalyst for change.

Personally, I am not swayed by these arguments. LM is a violent man and, judging by his Twitter, a racist weirdo as well. But he’s a violent, moderately attractive (so I have been told) man with a gun, so he’s actually the Mockingjay.

To add to your list:
You mention his perceived attractiveness. I’ve seen online some who seem drawn to him for his looks and that they just want to hold him and tell him everything will be ok. Barely mentioning his crime. Uhhh, okaaay…
smh
jmo

 

[girlhasnoname]

In 2022, it was estimated that the CEO-to-worker compensation ratio was 344.3 in the United States.

Of course, this statistic is hard to digest, but the interesting thing is his father was CEO of Lorien Health Services and his mother was CEO of a travel company.

I don't get it. LM lived a life of leisure. He was raised with privilege and money. Why should he care about CEO's? Why did he specifically target Thompson? Was LM's absence and killing against insurance companies or was it some sort of parental back-lash? Where his parents present at his court appearance?

No I don't believe LM's parents were at his Court appearance.

 

[stanerd]

To add to your list:
You mention his perceived attractiveness. I’ve seen online some who seem drawn to him for his looks and that they just want to hold him and tell him everything will be ok. Barely mentioning his crime. Uhhh, okaaay…
smh
jmo

One comment I saw that really made my blood boil was that it was "inhumane" that the people surrounding LM were wearing jackets during his perp walk but LM was just wearing his jumpsuit and it was a cold day.

Well, what about Brian Thompson laying on the cold ground in the dark and dying after being shot in the back by a coward?! Oh yeah, poor LM, the coward that peed his pants when he got caught and was held accountable for his actions, maybe for the first time in the spoiled brat's life.

 

[imstilla.grandma]

“I’m not co-signing on killing anyone," said Millsap, a registered independent. "However, the only people that get rich in insurance is insurance people."

Throw the book at UnitedHealthcare CEO murderer, voters say in exclusive poll

Two-thirds of Americans say the alleged killer of UnitedHealthcare's CEO should be prosecuted to the full extent of the law.

www.usatoday.com

 

[Trino]

Rather than a death penalty life imprisonment and mentally suffering might be more appropriate. While I don't see an apology, don't think he's going to like it.

 

[stanerd]

Rather than a death penalty life imprisonment and mentally suffering might be more appropriate. While I don't see an apology, don't think he's going to like it.

Nah, he deserves the death penalty. That's the appropriate punishment for murderers, but IMO it should be carried out quickly after an appeal, within a matter of months, not 20 years after sentencing.

 

[LinasK]

Nah, he deserves the death penalty. That's the appropriate punishment for murderers, but IMO it should be carried out quickly after an appeal, within a matter of months, not 20 years after sentencing.

To me, just punishment is getting the death penalty carried out by the means in which they killed someone- if you shoot someone, you should face a firing squad, if you are an arsonist, you should be burned at the stake... Just saying.

 

[justpeachy22]

To me, just punishment is getting the death penalty carried out by the means in which they killed someone- if you shoot someone, you should face a firing squad, if you are an arsonist, you should be burned at the stake... Just saying.

Majority of states have done away with assigning and paying govt employees to kill criminals. Either by “burning them at the stake”, “a firing squad”, or whatever the more modern procedure is. It’s been noted, that for the most part, a life in prison is a far worse sentence.

 

[MadMcGoo]

Please stay on topic and do not politicize the discussion. Thanks!!

 

[imstilla.grandma]

In a first-person article published by the Prison Journalism Project on Jan. 23, Vaughn Wright shared moments from the roughly 10-day span in which Mangione was being held at SCI Huntingdon.

Inmate Speaks Out About Prison ‘Brother’ Luigi Mangione’s Stay in Pennsylvania Lockup

SCI Huntingdon inmate Vaughn Wright described Mangione’s treatment at the prison in a first-person article

www.yahoo.com