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[JDG]

California ballot measure named after Luigi Mangione would make it illegal to ‘delay, deny’ healthcare coverage: ‘Crazy’

“I’m starting to suspect the Democrats in charge of California might actually just be simple road side (sic) lunatics after all,” Ruthless Podcast Executive Producer Leigh Wolf sa…

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And, here it is!

 

[arielilane]

A proposed California ballot initiative, named after alleged UnitedHealthcare CEO killer Luigi Mangione has been recently submitted to the California Attorney General’s Office.

The initiative would make it illegal for an insurance company to “delay, deny or modify any medical procedure or medication” suggested by a licensed physician in the Golden State, which could have serious consequences such as “disability, death, amputation, permanent disfigurement, loss or reduction of any bodily function,” the document stated.

https://ktla.com/news/california/proposed-california-ballot-initiative-luigi-mangione-act-would-make-it-harder-for-insurers-to-deny-medical-care/

Maybe we've all had problems with insurance companies but this is outright ridiculous. Apparently, this could possibly cause more fraud and supports violence ... This case is sickening. moo

 

[BeginnerSleuther]

California made a HUGE mistake naming this what they did. If they hadn't done that, it would likely pass (and for good reason). I'd like to know what kinds of idiots decided to name it after a killer. Those individuals should be voted out of office yesterday! Way to take a decent bill and sink it before it even has a chance.

MOO

 

[BeginnerSleuther]

Maybe we've all had problems with insurance companies but this is outright ridiculous. Apparently, this could possibly cause more fraud and supports violence ... This case is sickening. moo

Fraud?

 

[Sundog]

California made a HUGE mistake naming this what they did. If they hadn't done that, it would likely pass (and for good reason). I'd like to know what kinds of idiots decided to name it after a killer. Those individuals should be voted out of office yesterday! Way to take a decent bill and sink it before it even has a chance.

MOO

I had the same thought about who named the initiative, but it wasn't an elected official and it's not a bill. It is a ballot initiative that an attorney created, and now he and others will work on getting the required amount of signatures that will allow it to move forward. I think it has a good chance of succeeding, in spite of the initiative named after an accused murderer. Unless organizations that are against it can throw enough money against it to defeat it at the ballot box.

 

[twhel]

I had the same thought about who named the initiative, but it wasn't an elected official and it's not a bill. It is a ballot initiative that an attorney created, and now he and others will work on getting the required amount of signatures that will allow it to move forward. I think it has a good chance of succeeding, in spite of the initiative named after an accused murderer. Unless organizations that are against it can throw enough money against it to defeat it at the ballot box.

You are correct that it was a citizen, and not anyone in California state office, who submitted the proposed initiative and the proposed naming of it. And this citizen has admitted in interviews that the proposed naming was for the purpose of drawing publicity.

If the state Attorney General's office approves the initiative to be circulated to the public for signatures, the AG's office will have final say on the name it will carry.

 

[BeginnerSleuther]

I had the same thought about who named the initiative, but it wasn't an elected official and it's not a bill. It is a ballot initiative that an attorney created, and now he and others will work on getting the required amount of signatures that will allow it to move forward. I think it has a good chance of succeeding, in spite of the initiative named after an accused murderer. Unless organizations that are against it can throw enough money against it to defeat it at the ballot box.

Thanks for the clarification. If the name can be changed, I can stand behind it. I just find it horrendous to name a bill after a killer.

MOO.

 

[Bounceycat]

DBM

 

[Chimera]

A proposed California ballot initiative, named after alleged UnitedHealthcare CEO killer Luigi Mangione has been recently submitted to the California Attorney General’s Office.

The initiative would make it illegal for an insurance company to “delay, deny or modify any medical procedure or medication” suggested by a licensed physician in the Golden State, which could have serious consequences such as “disability, death, amputation, permanent disfigurement, loss or reduction of any bodily function,” the document stated.

https://ktla.com/news/california/proposed-california-ballot-initiative-luigi-mangione-act-would-make-it-harder-for-insurers-to-deny-medical-care/

Sure.
Let's make a cold-blooded murderer with no excuse for his actions -- famous.
Why not ?
Imo.

 

[Jinkasaurus]

While we wait to learn more about LM's online habits.....

I just finished watching the most recent episode of Frontline, an investigative journalism program hosted by PBS. In it, they do a deep-dive into the online networks and communications of a group which is directly connected to mass shootings and other acts of targeted violence in at least three different countries. Two US individuals were indicted last fall for their role in this group.

As I watched it, I found myself thinking that LM (from what we know so far) appears to match the trajectory of these individuals quite well. Although LM took a more clandestine approach in committing his crime, the overall "style" of it and his apparent ideology syncs to that of the group featured in this program. Some of the language that has been used by the so-called "pro" LM crowd matches the language used in this group.

Of course, we don't yet know if LM interacted with this group, watched/read their content, or spent time in the spaces they hang out in on the internet. TBD how much of that they will get access to by the time he goes to trial.

For anyone who wants to learn more about how these networks are leading to so-called "lone wolf" attacks (shootings, stabbings, attacks on infrastructure, etc), I'd recommend this program.

All MOO

 

[Baby baby Jane]

Fraud?

Health Care Fraud | Federal Bureau of Investigation

Health care fraud is not a victimless crime. It affects everyone and causes tens of billions of dollars in losses each year. The FBI is the primary agency for investigating health care fraud, for both federal and private insurance programs.

www.fbi.gov

 

[LinasK]

You are correct that it was a citizen, and not anyone in California state office, who submitted the proposed initiative and the proposed naming of it. And this citizen has admitted in interviews that the proposed naming was for the purpose of drawing publicity.

If the state Attorney General's office approves the initiative to be circulated to the public for signatures, the AG's office will have final say on the name it will carry.

Yeah. I don't see Rob Bonta allowing it to carry the name of an accused killer. He'd be voted out of office if he did.

 

[arielilane]

@akahancrimesto1

https://nypost.com/2025/03/30/us-news/california-healthcare-proposal-named-after-alleged-unitedhealthcare-assassin-luigi-mangione/?utm_campaign=iphone_nyp&utm_source=twitter&utm_medium=social

The absurdity of naming a Bill after a defendant charged with murder has reached new heights with The Luigi Mangione Act in California Once again we are giving infamy, immortality, fame and a platform to convicted killers (assuming he’s convicted)

https://twitter.com/x/status/1906747287977562571

 

[al66pine]

Disgusting that they'd name it after a murderer. I think I'll have to vote it down if it makes it onto the ballot.

@LinasK Naming after (an alleged) murderer?

I'm not a California resident but wanna ask you for a favor.
When you get to the polling place, would you mind casting my vote also? TiA.
(jk)

 

[al66pine]

More Fraud Possible?

One of my friends worked for a medical insurer, they had excellent coverage and the employees benefitted from MDs who “insiders” knew would facilitate frauds.
She, and colleagues used to get aesthetic treatments and spa facials at a dermatology spa. The treatments got put thru with codes for acne, biopsy, other medical diagnosis. They would joke about their skin cancer treatment which was actually latest anti wrinkles, fillers & Botox.
The MD had a lucrative business doing the aesthetic & cosmetic business but patients making claims for medical treatments.
My ex-SIL used to get certain “off label” treatments one MD would put through for prescriptions and physio which was a personal trainer.
The kids wisdom teeth removals which claimed as medical “emergencies” but really are not. The deviated septum on insurance which is really cosmetic rhinoplasty.Etc

These are frauds and I’m sure it’s common.

@Baby baby Jane Thx for your posts w links & a friend's RL experience re fraud.

 

[Bounceycat]

@akahancrimesto1

https://nypost.com/2025/03/30/us-news/california-healthcare-proposal-named-after-alleged-unitedhealthcare-assassin-luigi-mangione/?utm_campaign=iphone_nyp&utm_source=twitter&utm_medium=social
The absurdity of naming a Bill after a defendant charged with murder has reached new heights with The Luigi Mangione Act in California Once again we are giving infamy, immortality, fame and a platform to convicted killers (assuming he’s convicted)

https://twitter.com/x/status/1906747287977562571

Not to beat a dead horse, but California didn't name it this. One private citizen who wrote the proposal did, and apparently only to get it more attention. *IF* California takes on this initiative, they decide on a name before it goes on the ballots.

 

[BeginnerSleuther]

Health Care Fraud | Federal Bureau of Investigation

Health care fraud is not a victimless crime. It affects everyone and causes tens of billions of dollars in losses each year. The FBI is the primary agency for investigating health care fraud, for both federal and private insurance programs.

www.fbi.gov

I'm familiar with what it is. I'm asking how it could lead to fraud?

 

[arielilane]

Video about three minutes

'Luigi Mangione Act' would penalize insurance companies, draws ire | NewsNation Now​

 

[LinasK]

@akahancrimesto1

https://nypost.com/2025/03/30/us-news/california-healthcare-proposal-named-after-alleged-unitedhealthcare-assassin-luigi-mangione/?utm_campaign=iphone_nyp&utm_source=twitter&utm_medium=social
The absurdity of naming a Bill after a defendant charged with murder has reached new heights with The Luigi Mangione Act in California Once again we are giving infamy, immortality, fame and a platform to convicted killers (assuming he’s convicted)

https://twitter.com/x/status/1906747287977562571

The AG Rob Bonta will change the name. CA doesn't name bills after alleged murderers.

 

[sds71]

Attorney General Pam Bondi directs prosecutors to seek death penalty for man accused of killing UnitedHealthcare CEO.

Attorney General Pamela Bondi Directs Prosecutors to Seek Death Penalty for Luigi Mangione

Today, Attorney General Pamela Bondi released the following statement:

www.justice.gov

https://twitter.com/x/status/1907088817682530720