NY - UnitedHealthcare CEO Brian Thompson fatally shot in Midtown. #3

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  • #681
I wonder if BT always travels with security? If so, why not on the morning of the 4th? What was different about that day?
What is perplexing to me is that my husband and other executives always planned to meet up in the lobby at a certain time. Their CEO never traveled alone.

Could BT have received a call asking him to come to the Hilton earlier than expected? Surely, police have that information and have searched BT's phone to determine if he was called and by whom that morning. Still, my husband's CEO would call others to get them to go with him (if possible).

Even at that, to me, it seems the killer would need to be alerted. That's why I think that there was more than one involved in this assassination. I also think that this guy (and possibly another person) were hired. They don't have to be professional assassins to be hired to do a specific hit.

JMO.
 
  • #682
I wonder if they've been able to get into the phone yet.
 
  • #683
Very interesting. So he was barely in Central Park. Looking at the map and where he was spotted biking on W. 85th St., he must have biked all the way up there on Central Park West, just next to the park. i have to wonder why he turned on W. 85th St. Where was he going? Where is the bag that has the clothes and stuff he wore for the 10 days? Is he picking that bad up somewhere and then taking a cab to the airport or train or bus out of town? He had to have had an exact plan.
If this is true, then they have a LOT of footage of him riding that bike. Real Time Traffic Information

Put 'Central' in the search bar. There's DOT cameras at several intersections between 60th and 85th.
 
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  • #685
Seems like folks are confusing the airport with the bus terminal. Don't think anywhere in the news there was anything about the Atlanta Airport.
people think he might have flown in from somewhere remote and then took the bus, I think
 
  • #686
If this is true, then they have a LOT of footage of him riding that bike. Real Time Traffic Information

Put 'Central' in the search bar. There's DOT cameras at several intersections between 60th and 85th.
That is what I was thinking. But he could have gone back into Central Park, but they should have video of that as well.
 
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FOX 5 NY confirms that police are using drones to search the area near 59th Street and 6th Avenue where they believe the man who killed UnitedHealthcare CEO Brian Thompson may have dropped his gray backpack.
 
  • #689
I thought he only purchased a water and two energy bars? Or did it come out that he actually had a coffee?

Good point. It’s confusing. I did read he purchased two power bars and a bottle of water but there are articles stating they’re conducting DNA processing on a Starbucks coffee cup he might have used. Maybe the Starbucks cup was recovered from somewhere else, like the hostel, and unrelated to the Starbucks trip from the morning of the crime. Or maybe they provided a cup with his water purchase, in which case it would not be labelled with a name.
 
  • #690
What is perplexing to me is that my husband and other executives always planned to meet up in the lobby at a certain time. Their CEO never traveled alone.

Could BT have received a call asking him to come to the Hilton earlier than expected? Surely, police have that information and have searched BT's phone to determine if he was called and by whom that morning. Still, my husband's CEO would call others to get them to go with him (if possible).

Even at that, to me, it seems the killer would need to be alerted. That's why I think that there was more than one involved in this assassination. I also think that this guy (and possibly another person) were hired. They don't have to be professional assassins to be hired to do a specific hit.

JMO.
Yes!!! Even without security there is always a bevy of people who meet and walk over together. Never ever are people at his level alone. This is a guy who ran a multi-multi billion dollar business. There is something that needs attention at 6am that people will be hounding him about.
 
  • #691
Just some experts throwing cold water on the hitman theory:

-The consensus among experts following the killing of Brian Thompson, the veteran chief executive of one of the nation’s largest health insurers, was that the shooter could indeed handle himself around a gun, but that everything else suggested that he was unlikely to have been hired to commit the crime.

“Forgive me for saying too much on too little evidence, but it looks like the kind of guy that made up his mind that he was doing the right thing,” said David Shapiro, a professor at John Jay College of Criminal Justice in New York, and a former F.B.I. special agent. “He didn’t look like a guy that was fearful.”

He added: “In terms of a professional hit man, that seems unlikely. It would be very hard to get somebody to do something like this. It’s very high risk.”

-“I mean, the whole problem is doing the whole thing in Midtown Manhattan, even though it’s in the morning,” he continued. Not only are there “cameras everywhere,” he said, “there’s too much of a possibility of other people intervening, of a cop happening to walk by.”

He added: “There’s just too much that can go wrong and there’s too little that you control.”
-None of this looks like the work of a professional, the experts said. (Assassinations occur but are usually ordered by governments or criminal groups like drug cartels, and rarely leave behind much evidence, they said.)
Per this expert, there won’t be any professional hit men at all because the nature of the job is that it is very risky. I would take their expert opinions with a grain of salt. I doubt their opinions without any factual evidence are any better than ours.
 
  • #692
Agree with everything you said. Also the part I cannot get past is that the shooter knew exactly when and where to stand to cross paths with BT in the wee hours of the morning, when he was staying a hotel other than the one the the conference was held at, 1.5 hours before the conference started. He was so confident of the timing and correct location that he even popped into Starbucks for a snack 30 min prior! If he didn't know what BT's exact agenda was that day he would have been camped out for much longer.

BT probably took the Corporate jet to NYC that week and when he landed he would have a driver to take him to his hotel. It would be impossible for a young kid on an Ebike to follow this movement. The private airports are secured. How did the shooter know he was staying at the Marriott? And that he would walk to the conference 1.5 hours before it started?

So, I think there are two options here:
1 - Shooter had electronic access to BT's phone and location - maybe through the previous cyber attack (IMO unlikely)
2 - Shooter was in communication with another person that was telling him exactly where BT was staying and what his schedule was for the day, and what his path to the conference would be.
 
  • #693
No. They had something like a thousand officers scouring the park looking for that backpack. To date, they haven’t found it.

John Miller said they searched dumpsters, trash cans, and did a grid search.

They must have missed it, or some opportunistic person grabbed it when they saw it unattended.

what a shame...if grabbed.
 
  • #694
Good point. It’s confusing. I did read he purchased two power bars and a bottle of water but there are articles stating they’re conducting DNA processing on a Starbucks coffee cup he might have used. Maybe the Starbucks cup was recovered from somewhere else, like the hostel, and unrelated to the Starbucks trip from the morning of the crime. Or maybe they provided a cup with his water purchase, in which case it would not be labelled with a name.
starbucks doesn't always write a name on every cup, especially not if it's just basic coffee and not a specialty drink.
 
  • #695
rsbm

Why?
I assumed it was always due to his power of position. I do know that when my husband worked at headquarters in their NY facility, there was a locked, bullet proof door protecting the executives from the other workers, just in case a worker became enraged (I guess) and decided to storm into the executive offices with a gun.

JMO.
 
  • #696
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FOX 5 NY confirms that police are using drones to search the area near 59th Street and 6th Avenue where they believe the man who killed UnitedHealthcare CEO Brian Thompson may have dropped his gray backpack.
This seems to confirm the NYT's reporting that the suspect is believed to have exited the park around 60th Street. If the suspect ditched the bag in the park right near the Center Drive entrance, LE should be able to find it as it is a pretty small area to search. If they don't find the backpack, my guess would be that either an unwitting passerby who has not followed the news about the shooting picked it up or the backpack was intentionally handed off to a third-party.
 
  • #697
Agree with everything you said. Also the part I cannot get past is that the shooter knew exactly when and where to stand to cross paths with BT in the wee hours of the morning, when he was staying a hotel other than the one the the conference was held at, 1.5 hours before the conference started. He was so confident of the timing and correct location that he even popped into Starbucks for a snack 30 min prior! If he didn't know what BT's exact agenda was that day he would have been camped out for much longer.

BT probably took the Corporate jet to NYC that week and when he landed he would have a driver to take him to his hotel. It would be impossible for a young kid on an Ebike to follow this movement. The private airports are secured. How did the shooter know he was staying at the Marriott? And that he would walk to the conference 1.5 hours before it started?

So, I think there are two options here:
1 - Shooter had electronic access to BT's phone and location - maybe through the previous cyber attack (IMO unlikely)
2 - Shooter was in communication with another person that was telling him exactly where BT was staying and what his schedule was for the day, and what his path to the conference would be.
I hope that this comment will be further pursued. It seems striking that the shooter must have known the exact movements and timing of BT that morning. I have not heard this mentioned in media reports either.
 
  • #698
Just some experts throwing cold water on the hitman theory:

-The consensus among experts following the killing of Brian Thompson, the veteran chief executive of one of the nation’s largest health insurers, was that the shooter could indeed handle himself around a gun, but that everything else suggested that he was unlikely to have been hired to commit the crime.

“Forgive me for saying too much on too little evidence, but it looks like the kind of guy that made up his mind that he was doing the right thing,” said David Shapiro, a professor at John Jay College of Criminal Justice in New York, and a former F.B.I. special agent. “He didn’t look like a guy that was fearful.”

He added: “In terms of a professional hit man, that seems unlikely. It would be very hard to get somebody to do something like this. It’s very high risk.”

-“I mean, the whole problem is doing the whole thing in Midtown Manhattan, even though it’s in the morning,” he continued. Not only are there “cameras everywhere,” he said, “there’s too much of a possibility of other people intervening, of a cop happening to walk by.”

He added: “There’s just too much that can go wrong and there’s too little that you control.”
-None of this looks like the work of a professional, the experts said. (Assassinations occur but are usually ordered by governments or criminal groups like drug cartels, and rarely leave behind much cevidence, they said.)
I'm really not buying the scenario that some random guy thinks he's doing the right thing by assassinating an executive on a Manhattan sidewalk on a weekday morning....and getting away with it.

It was one random guy's idea to stay in NYC for 10 days, keep his ID hidden except for one slip, pull off a murder with a bystander on the sidewalk feet away, walk away calmly, slip out of the city, and nobody able to immediately identify him?

That seems like a big stretch to me.

jmo
 
  • #699
Per this expert, there won’t be any professional hit men at all because the nature of the job is that it is very risky. I would take their expert opinions with a grain of salt. I doubt their opinions without any factual evidence are any better than ours.
No, he's saying doing a hit in downtown Manhattan like this is specifically a lot more risky than in just about any other area, thus making it less likely that it is a professional hitman just doing a job for some cash.
 
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