NY - UnitedHealthcare CEO Brian Thompson fatally shot in Midtown. #3

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  • #761
there is a lot of chatter about a veterinarian gun. A lot of experts on firearms forums are debunking this, I believe based on the ejecting location of the casing, and the movement on the slide. Also, if your getting a gun from “the projects”, it probably isn’t a veterinarian gun.
 
  • #762
Maybe he threw the gun off the GWB.
 
  • #763
I agree.

The subway photo shows the straps on the backpack are sewn together and the bag hangs like a teardrop, almost, from the SINGLE fused strap. It also has a pull-type closure and the string of the cinch is visible on the surface.

The shooting photo and the sidewalk and bicycle photo clearly show the grey backpack has two straps over the shoulder that do not touch and the backpack hangs quarely from the TWO straps.

The subway photo outside the cigar store is not the shooter, IMHO.
They're sure they're the same person. This guy spent 10 days in the city, and obviously would have changed clothing. We know of two different jackets he was wearing, but I wouldn't be surprised if he had more than that. A change in backpack fits with this, as he'd want to change up his appearance.

It's not like they'd look at a video and say "well this looks like the guy." They have access to an incredible amount of footage we haven't seen.
 
  • #764
Is the gray backpack model still being sold? Did the perp buy it in NYC? How bulky is it when folded?
 
  • #765
My .02 is that he is long gone.
If he's a hired hitman, he's certainly not an experienced one.

Also going to guess it was someone or the person who hired him who had a beef with their treatment/insurance provider, or a relative's/friend's treatment and/or provider ?

Still on the fence about other possibilities.
And I don't think the killer happened to get lucky, I believe someone knew Brian would be walking that way soon.
Omo.
 
  • #766
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''The CEO identified the bag as a version of Peak Design’s Everyday Backpack, which the company stopped producing in 2019. The shooter likely bought the bag between 2016 and 2019 or, less likely, bought the bag used from Peak Design’s website, according to Dering.
Peak Design, which Dering launched on Kickstarter in 2011, was originally a camera accessory company. It has since expanded its lines into backpacks and duffels, many of which are still organized into padded sections to accommodate camera equipment.''
 
  • #767
Convenient spots to ditch in the Hudson River perhaps?

<ETA my instinct thinks he's kept the weapon though. Feels like that weapon means something to him. I just can't understand why he would head North to go South again by cab. There's got be a motivation for doing that>
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IF he kept the gun, did he get rid of the silencer? Was it too bulky to keep?
 
  • #768
Maybe he threw the gun off the GWB.
No way. That bridge is covered with cameras and there are police monitoring. Someone would definitely notice.

And access to the river might look easy on a map, but there is a BIG cliff to get down to the river - it's not a quick walk.

jm
 
  • #769
Did he arrive to NYC at the same bus terminal as he left from?
No, he reportedly arrived in NYC using the Port Authority Bus Terminal in Midtown. If he exited the park around 60th Street as the NYT reported today, it would have taken him far less time to get to the Port Authority Bus Terminal (PABT) (which is on 42nd Street) than biking up to 85th Street and then taking a cab from 86th Street to the GW Bus Terminal at 178th Street.

My hypothesis (all MOO) is that he left from the GW Bridge Bus Station after the shooting instead of the PABT because at 7-8am, PABT would be packed with commuters coming in to the city from NJ. The GW Bridge Bus Station is not nearly as busy as the PABT since it is much smaller and is further away from Midtown, which is where most office buildings are located.
 
  • #770
They're sure they're the same person. This guy spent 10 days in the city, and obviously would have changed clothing. We know of two different jackets he was wearing, but I wouldn't be surprised if he had more than that. A change in backpack fits with this, as he'd want to change up his appearance.

It's not like they'd look at a video and say "well this looks like the guy." They have access to an incredible amount of footage we haven't seen.
But, was the video not just before he went to Starbucks? Leaving very little time for a total change. I believe that LE are mistaken. The person in the picture has a different backpack (that doesn’t look big enough to contain the other backpack the suspect was pictured with plus a change of clothing) and is clearly wearing shorts.

ETA up thread there is a post to a link to the backpack. It is really structured and not saggy. The subway exit pic shows that backpack as saggy or unstructured and as someone else pointed out, the straps are incorrect.
 
  • #771
So he got back on a bus, same as how he came in. Probably a good bet that it was a bus back to Atlanta (or a stop along the way). What did he do once he got there? Took a flight out of the country?
Wow, he could have been anywhere by the evening of the murder!
 
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Just some experts throwing cold water on the hitman theory:

-The consensus among experts following the killing of Brian Thompson, the veteran chief executive of one of the nation’s largest health insurers, was that the shooter could indeed handle himself around a gun, but that everything else suggested that he was unlikely to have been hired to commit the crime.

“Forgive me for saying too much on too little evidence, but it looks like the kind of guy that made up his mind that he was doing the right thing,” said David Shapiro, a professor at John Jay College of Criminal Justice in New York, and a former F.B.I. special agent. “He didn’t look like a guy that was fearful.”

He added: “In terms of a professional hit man, that seems unlikely. It would be very hard to get somebody to do something like this. It’s very high risk.”

-“I mean, the whole problem is doing the whole thing in Midtown Manhattan, even though it’s in the morning,” he continued. Not only are there “cameras everywhere,” he said, “there’s too much of a possibility of other people intervening, of a cop happening to walk by.”

He added: “There’s just too much that can go wrong and there’s too little that you control.”
-None of this looks like the work of a professional, the experts said. (Assassinations occur but are usually ordered by governments or criminal groups like drug cartels, and rarely leave behind much evidence, they said.)

I’ve vacillated on this but I go with what the experts say, obviously since they are in fact experts in this field.

Speaking as a native New Yorker, (and hi to all my peeps and neighbors here), I do think the time and place would be much too risky for a professional hit man.

It was going to be light outside in another 10 or so minutes. There are always tourists who are going to leave their midtown hotels to try to get in the outdoor audience at the Today Show, which begins at 7 AM, so there is a great chance that mobs of tourists will be hitting the streets at that time. (Rock Center is the home of the NBC studio and about a ten- minute walk from the Hilton).

Also, since the tree up is up at Rock Center, there will be people flooding the area to see the tree and all the other decorations.

JMO since I don’t travel in hitmen circles, but it would appear to me that a pro killer is not going to risk his life and profession for this hit.

What I DO think is that this was also no bumbling amateur. Just a man on a private, deadly mission. Enough training to time it perfectly, enough experience with an idiosyncratic gun, but not professional enough to avoid all mistakes.

Just my evolving opinion.
 
  • #773
New surveillance footage shows NY suspect stopping at trash pile

New video shows suspect in New York on Wednesday morning

New video obtained by CBS News, the BBC's US partner, appears to show the suspect walking west along 55th Street in Midtown Manhattan at 6:20 am on Wednesday, minutes after he visited a nearby Starbucks.

A suspect wearing the same outfit and backpack is believed to have then walked to the Hilton Hotel, where UnitedHealthcare executive Brian Thompson was shot.

In the new video, the suspect appears to discard something in a pile of trash, before continuing on.

Video at link

 
  • #774
But, was the video not just before he went to Starbucks? Leaving very little time for a total change. I believe that LE are mistaken. The person in the picture has a different backpack (that doesn’t look big enough to contain the other backpack the suspect was pictured with plus a change of clothing) and is clearly wearing shorts.
We don't know when the maskless image was taken. Presumably it was over the several days he stayed in that hostel (perhaps at check in).

The Starbucks video was taken the day of the murder (minutes before).
 
  • #775
According to CNN, he got in a cab and went to the GW Bridge Bus Station at 178th Street and Broadway (it is a Port Authority bus terminal but not the Port Authority Bus Terminal, which is in Midtown)
Ah thank you! That makes much more sense of his movements in that case. Teaches me to type before understanding the new information properly!
 
  • #776
I hope that this comment will be further pursued. It seems striking that the shooter must have known the exact movements and timing of BT that morning. I have not heard this mentioned in media reports either.
Could they be friends, then?
 
  • #777
How does an arrest for insider trading impact the stock price? Could it be another C suite exec that is disgruntled at the insider trading issue and worried about his financial future?
I think far more likely someone was afraid he would flip. It’s hard for me to imagine someone that just held the stock would arrange a murder for hire.
 
  • #778
If he was heading to Atlanta to take a plane from there to some other country, he would have to ditch the gun first. I think that is why he went to Central Park - to dismantle the weapon and drop it to the bottom of a lake for instance, outside of camera view. He didn’t change clothes but didn’t have his big backpack when he exited the park, so his plan was to discard incriminating evidence before leaving the city.
 
  • #779
Has it been clarified one way or another whether he is considered a threat to society? I know it's been stated that this was targeted, but usually if that's the case, it's stated that the public isn't at threat.
Only to 0.1% of society
 
  • #780
Upon review, I can see that the angle of the photo of the figure emerging from the subway steps shows one thick strap on the left shoulder, but I cant really see the right side due to the doors of the store.

The figure does have the shoes with the white band on them.

I was wrong in my previous thinking. I'll remove that post.
 
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