NY - UnitedHealthcare CEO Brian Thompson fatally shot in Midtown. #4

[MassGuy]

What do you make of the 10 day stay in NYC?

Do you think he came to walk through this over and over and find the best path in/out of the area?

Do you think he is from the area and did it this way to try to point away from it being someone from the area?

I wish we knew more about his movements in those 10 days. Was he seen over and over along this same route or trying out different bus/train routes to see how it would go at that time of the morning. Did he walk through central park several times, was he seen on camera anywhere else.. also what was he doing on Monday when JT arrived in the area. So many questions.

Yeah, I think he was figuring out how exactly he was going to do this, and how he was going to escape. It still seems like an extreme mount of time, all things considered. There's really no reason I can think of that he'd need that many days, and that one night gap during his hostel stay is a big unanswered question.

Law enforcement is trying to build a day by day timeline, so they can track down exactly what he did over that time period. Footage can only tell you so much, so I hope he's captured alive so we can learn everything.

 

[Baby baby Jane]

Not sure about what every destination requires, but Israel requires travelers to show your passport BEFORE your departure from the US. So there's definitely at least one exception.

Agree. For international flights, must do online Check-in & for some passport holders- Physical check in.
The airline is responsible for making sure passengers have passport. USA arrivals, airline would NOT you fly without Esta. Will not let you check-in without it, Some countries you can arrive without a visa And they won’t let you in.

(That recent Russian woman the exception)

 

[K.jill]

The gun and words on the bullets were not needed to accomplish the goal. There are more efficient guns. Writing on the bullets increases the chance of fingerprints. Whatever the motive it seems sending a message was important.
Depose: one meaning is to put down and the type of gun was used to put animals down.

 

[MassGuy]

And not nice to say but there's also potentially three bullets inside the victim.

The writing was on the casings, so they'd have them regardless of if they were fired, or ejected unfired from the weapon. If a word is missing, it's because that round is still in the gun (magazine or chamber).

 

[Furore]

With respect to the 10 day timeframe in NY…were there any other important events or UHC events in that timeframe? Do we know?

 

[kaen]

Yeah, I think he was figuring out how exactly he was going to do this, and how he was going to escape. It still seems like an extreme mount of time, all things considered. There's really no reason I can think of that he'd need that many days, and that one night gap during his hostel stay is a big unanswered question.

Law enforcement is trying to build a day by day timeline, so they can track down exactly what he did over that time period. Footage can only tell you so much, so I hope he's captured alive so we can learn everything.

He may have thought coming early would mean the footage from the Atlanta bus would not be found. Didn't account for facial recognition software and capabilities of the NYPD.

 

[Friday Fan]

Not sure about what every destination requires, but Israel requires travelers to show your passport BEFORE your departure from the US. So there's definitely at least one exception.

Yes. Way back in the Ellis Island days, the cruise ships required verification that you could legally enter the port of destination. No passports, but "relatives" in the US were listed on ship manifests. Ships were financially reponsible for "return" trips.

You generally can't board an overseas flight without a passport. Who is gonna pay for the return flight of a reject? The flyer can also claim that her or she is stateless and cannot be returned. It creates an international mess. Passport before boarding makes total sense.

 

[Furore]

He may have thought coming early would mean the footage from the Atlanta bus would not be found. Didn't account for facial recognition software and capabilities of the NYPD.

Maybe a lot of CCTV footage gets wiped after a week or something? So he entered NYC at a time prior that this arrival footage was unavailable? All speculation I don’t know how long the average cctv footage is held.

 

[ElizaKate]

The writing was on the casings, so they'd have them regardless of if they were fired, or ejected unfired from the weapon. If a word is missing, it's because that round is still in the gun (magazine or chamber).

Do we know that as fact though? Have they said specifically the casings? Perhaps they have and I've missed the detail there.

<ETA - ah yes gone back to read the details. You're right of course. Written on the casings>

 

[wibbleflea]

that one night gap during his hostel stay is a big unanswered question.

“It’s not your traditional check in, check out. It’s the kind of thing where if you don’t show up at a certain time, they automatically just check you out,” Kenny said. “We don’t believe that he went someplace else. It’s more of an administrative checkout.

From CNN timeline.

 

[IzzyBlanche]

Why top internet sleuths refuse to solve UnitedHealthcare CEO’s murder​

Why top internet sleuths refuse to solve UnitedHealthcare CEO's murder

United Healthcare boss Brian Thompson’s murder has sparked huge anger – but not at the killer.

metro.co.uk

 

[Sadi]

I can definitely agree no person deserves to be arbitrarily murdered over their job. Or for any reason at all.

I can also understand the depth of feeling against private healthcare companies. It does feel morally lacking that profits are record breaking whilst so are claim denials - 1/3rd versus the industry standard of 11% or something.

If my child or loved one had passed away or if lost my house due to a claim denial, and investors were meeting to discuss record breaking profits - I do understand the degree of hatred that could engender, I just don’t agree with vigilante homocide - but how are these companies ever held to account really?

I agree with you. It makes me wonder about others companies that are able to deny coverage, home/life/car insurance etc., seriously could be just about anything and that has some people fed up. Could this case have CEO’s in other industries (some mentioned above) fearing for their safety? I think so. MOO.

 

[MassGuy]

He may have thought coming early would mean the footage from the Atlanta bus would not be found. Didn't account for facial recognition software and capabilities of the NYPD.

I guess that's possible, but I don't think he'd have any way of knowing how long video was kept. Even if he did, he had to worry about cameras at other stops, and the thousands of cameras that he was certainly captured on during his stay.

 

[Citizen Dick]

Lest not forget United Health is not entirely provided for Americans. UH sold off their Brazilian subsidiary, Amil, earlier this year for 7B to a private investor and things don't seem to be going good there. I've done countless reverse image searches of the suspect and they all point to a specific Brazilian man. Not posting that here though

... Plus, if the suspect was American I would think they would have found him by now, wouldn't you?

 

[MassGuy]

“It’s not your traditional check in, check out. It’s the kind of thing where if you don’t show up at a certain time, they automatically just check you out,” Kenny said. “We don’t believe that he went someplace else. It’s more of an administrative checkout.

From CNN timeline.

Thank you, great find! I hate unanswered questions like that, and that completely puts it to bed for me.

 

[sceawian]

It was written in 2010, almost 25 years ago

Oh no... have I just awoken from a coma?

Spoiler

only teasing

 

[Parsnip]

I guess that's possible, but I don't think he'd have any way of knowing how long video was kept. Even if he did, he had to worry about cameras at other stops, and the thousands of cameras that he was certainly captured on during his stay.

Hence, the almost ever-present facemask.

 

[wibbleflea]

Thank you, great find! I hate unanswered questions like that, and that completely puts it to bed for me.

Someone found it earlier on in the thread I’d have missed it.

 

[annpats]

He may have thought coming early would mean the footage from the Atlanta bus would not be found. Didn't account for facial recognition software and capabilities of the NYPD.

But he checked out if the hostel and the checked back in the day before.

So not likely with the footage being wiped inside 24 hours after his 2nd stay.

 

[krikken]

I am curious about the “Delay, Deny, Defend” book that has been at topic of this case. Does anyone know how popular this book really was? I had never heard of it, not that that means much. It was written in 2010, almost 25 years ago. Seems a strange manifesto for the perp to hang their hat on to me? This is my complete speculation but I feel like it would have been most on the radar of people working in the insurance industry, rather than the general public.

And likely someone older than the perp we’ve seen. I haven’t read it but my first reaction is that a book 25 years old is very out of date for the healthcare industry, technology, society, politics in general. Again adds to questioning of motive, background, actors behind this situation.

The three D's were originally associated with McKinsey's recommendations for Allstate in the 1990s. Former Allstate employees spilled the beans on the shady practices.

Law firms offering help to customers appealing denials have helped popularize the phrase as well.

It's a little wonky and maybe less than a household catchphrase but it's been around, including before the book.