NY - UnitedHealthcare CEO Brian Thompson fatally shot in Midtown. #7 *Arrest*

[justtrish]

BBM (Bolded By Me)

The 262-word handwritten manifesto that the police found on Luigi Mangione begins with the writer appearing to take responsibility for the murder, according to a senior law enforcement official who saw the document. It notes that as UnitedHealthcare’s market capitalization has grown, American life expectancy has not. “To save you a lengthy investigation, I state plainly that I wasn’t working with anyone,” he wrote. The note condemns companies that “continue to abuse our country for immense profit because the American public has allowed them to get away with it.”

Suspect in Health Care C.E.O.’s Killing Charged With Murder

The suspect, Luigi Mangione, 26, was charged by New York prosecutors. He was arrested and arraigned in Altoona, Pa., on Monday after being spotted at a McDonald’s.

www.nytimes.com

Oh see now he says the American public allows them to get away with it. Slippery slope when we are okay with someone murdering people they deem as responsible for problems in society. What if he decided to take out a few every day citizens because they are part of the American public?

 

[MassGuy]

BREAKING: New York prosecutors file murder charge against suspect in UnitedHealthcare CEO killing, according to court records.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1866322870793572831

 

[whitelilac]

I am so confused because the guy in the pic below has completely different eyebrows, further apart from each other and not as thick

I don't even see his eyebrows here. They're covered by the bottom of that hood.

 

[IzzyBlanche]

Also at the age where the diagnosis of a new onset persistent mental illness (bipolar, schizophrenia, psychotic depression) is not out of the realm of possibility. I'm not suggesting he has a diagnosis, but I suspect a "not guilty by reason of insanity" plea would be made.

His affect does seem inappropriate for the entire circumstances- a sign that something could be amiss.

Yeah but I don't think that would work.

The insanity defense is that the person truly didn't understand what they were doing was wrong, and LM took many actions that indicated consciousness of guilt, which means he knew what he did was wrong.

 

[Miss Poovy]

This is why I think something was going on mentally. He's clearly an incredibly intelligent person; a very logical and thoughtful one. He has to know on that level, that murdering this man isn't going to affect any sort of change. Someone else will merely take his place in that company, and life will go on.

Insurance companies aren't suddenly going to say "you know, he's right. Maybe we should focus less on profits, and focus more on our customers and their health."

Everyone hates health insurance companies. That's nothing new. We all know someone who has been screwed over, if it hasn't happened to us personally [Raises Hand]. But his belief that this would accomplish his stated goal, is just absurd. I think a few years ago he'd agree with this.

Something happened and he underwent a dramatic shift, apparently isolating himself from friends and family, and directing his rage towards this company.

Maybe there will be change down the road, and people at creating that change he wanted. It won't be because he shot a father of two kids in cold blood though.

Is the continuing to have the fake IDs, clothes & claiming the money was planted, signs of disorganized thinking? Lots of questions for sure.

 

[mrstfs]

I can’t find the post now in a previous thread but I thought the person who put together the photo of what the suspect might look like based on the images LE provided did a good job with their rendition, now that I see the suspect. MOO

 

[EBW321]

So when he was found in the McDonald’s in Pennsylvania he had a computer, but did he also have his phone on him?

So what was the purpose of the burner phone back in NYC?

Moo.. I wonder if he realizes the irony in the fact that he committed a murder , taunted LE with Monopoly game money in the backpack purposely left behind… only to be apprehended at McDonald’s , which for years had McDonalds monopoly games.

He’d be too young to remember McDonalds monopoly games or know what it was. But the irony of it all is just crazy to me.

 

[Cindizzi]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1866299848049184813

 

[whitelilac]

I can’t find the post now in a previous thread but I thought the person who put together the photo of what the suspect might look like based on the images LE provided did a good job with their rendition, now that I see the suspect. MOO

I believe it was deleted because it was not a composite made by a professional, (WS rules). The poster was not aware.

 

[CamilleBSP]

Moo.. I wonder if he realizes the irony in the fact that he committed a murder , taunted LE with Monopoly game money in the backpack purposely left behind… only to be apprehended at McDonald’s , which for years had McDonalds monopoly games.

He’d be too young to remember McDonalds monopoly games or know what it was. But the irony of it all is just crazy to me.

I’m just 2 years older than him and remember the whole McDonald’s and monopoly thing.

 

[freewill_is_an_illusion]

The family's statement feels exactly right to me. They are victims, too, but they'll face a lot of misplaced hatred, IMO.

Will they?

 

[LadyL]

Moo.. I wonder if he realizes the irony in the fact that he committed a murder , taunted LE with Monopoly game money in the backpack purposely left behind… only to be apprehended at McDonald’s , which for years had McDonalds monopoly games.

He’d be too young to remember McDonalds monopoly games or know what it was. But the irony of it all is just crazy to me.

Monopoly game money in the backpack?
I think McD's still has those games actually

 

[MassGuy]

Is the continuing to have the fake IDs, clothes & claiming the money was planted, signs of disorganized thinking? Lots of questions for sure.

No. That’s the paradox here.

This crime was as organized as it gets. I’ve never seen a crime this well planned in any case I’ve followed on here.

He knew what he was doing, and knew what he was doing was wrong. He was completely sane, and has no possibility of an insanity defense.

But I think the driving force behind that crime was some sort of mental issue in which anger overtook logic.

 

[Tippy Lynn]

I wonder if they will charge him federally. He crossed state lines and it would eliminate jurisdiction issues regarding warrants and extradition back to NY.

 

[IzzyBlanche]

Will they?

Of course they will. Lots of crazies out there.

 

[branmuffin]

A very thoughtful essay by a Pulitzer prize winning writer regarding the murder and the public's response to it.

What Reaction to a Killing Says About Our Broken Health System | Opinion

Violence is never justified. This unassailable truth must guide our response to this week's tragic killing of UnitedHealthcare CEO Brian Thompson, an act of violence that shocks the conscience.

www.newsweek.com

 

[Miss Poovy]

Yeah but I don't think that would work.

The insanity defense is that the person truly didn't understand what they were doing was wrong, and LM took many actions that indicated consciousness of guilt, which means he knew what he did was wrong.

Legal insanity is a very hard defense, especially if one seems coherent.

 

[azure]

So who was he talking to on the burner phone? He seems very isolated from his family and friends. If he had the faraday bag, I assume he had his own cell phone with him in addition to the burner police found.

 

[Miss Poovy]

No. That’s the paradox here.

This crime was as organized as it gets. I’ve never seen a crime this well planned in any case I’ve followed on here.

He knew what he was doing, and knew what he was doing was wrong. He was completely sane, and has no possibility of an insanity defense.

But I think the driving force behind that crime was some sort of mental issue in which anger overtook logic.

I completely agree. I’m just stating it does not seem logical in the grand scheme of things.

 

[fridaybaker]

The issue of pain and mental health is something that is not usually discussed. Chronic pain can cause serious mental health issues beyond depression. Also have to wonder if there were mental health issues (think Ted Kaczynski) before the suspected back injury. Not an excuse for actions but rather thoughts to address the senselessness of the crime, especially if he had disordered thinking as Kaczynski had. Still needs to go to prison for life.

Yes. You wonder if he sort of became obsessed with the problem, to the exclusion of the ramifications of his solution to it. Here is a guy who seems to be well liked and respected, “socially conscious”, etc., who just took out a father of two. You get the impression it never occurred to him what those broader repercussions would be. Strange.