NY - UnitedHealthcare CEO Brian Thompson fatally shot in Midtown. #7 *Arrest*

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More from Miller:

Dark possibility that he intended to keep striking. Notes that he used the plural "parasites" in his manifesto, implying possibility he intended to kill multiple people.

Paraphrasing: Protest is ineffective, violence is the next step that has to be taken.

Said he acted alone and was self funded.

My thoughts: Did he intend to mail this? Was he planning on getting caught eventually? Was he planning on being killed?
I could see him thinking he could get away long enough to strike at least once more. He probably had the funds to do it, too, knowing his family is not doing so bad, and he probably had his own money too.
 
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Just don’t understand what he was trying to achieve, BT didn’t own the company they will just replace him with another CEO and it will be business as usual, meanwhile he will probably get a whole life sentence in jail or a minimum of 40 years, what a waste of an incredible mind/talent

No sympathy for him, he has robbed 2 young kids of their dad
Yup.....payors have been doing this stuff since BT was in elementary school.
 
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Not much to add with this article, though it kind of does dive into his personal life a bit.
But this quote stands out, "Mangione had a particularly personal reason to hate the medical community — its treatment of an ailing relative, sources said." Then lists his loss of a grandmother and grandfather.
So both ideology and personal experience shaped his choices.
 
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I'm assuming his age is significant - 26. The age a dependant no longer can use their parent's health insurance.
And health insurance can be VERY spendy if you have to buy your own. Even what some companies offer can be really high. I ran into someone that was laid off from where we were working and they were paying over $2,000 for a YOUNG family of 3 (2 adults, one infant) at their new job. I was like... "Say what?!?!?". This was about 15 yrs ago, and costs have only gone up. My mind was officially blown at what someone might have to pay if they didn't work somewhere that offered great insurance.
 
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He does fit my expected perp; educated, intelligent if not 100% street smart and savvy about tech such as how cctv works, and I would guess with the xray photos we have seen he or someone else has had a bad run in with an insurance company, to the extent he is willing to throw multiple lives away for vengeance. He’s a good looking individual and I wonder if we will hear more about him from girlfriends/exes with any insight into anger issues or other aspects of personality. JMO
Maybe arrogant and a bit entitled? He seems to want to come across as the smartest guy in the room, even if he is, it's not something you should have to tell the world. The important people would already know.

JMO
 
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The following is all MOO based on my personal experience:

I went to an Ivy League school and while the fact that he is an Ivy League graduate is surprising as it doesn't fit the typical profile of these types of killers, the ideas he apparently espoused based on his Goodreads and X profiles were quite common among my peers, especially those majoring in CS/data science.

Having run in some of the same types of circles the suspect seems to have been a part of (i.e., Ivy League tech circles), I can say that topics like effective accelerationism, anti-globalization, and neuroscience were very frequently discussed. Several of my friends from college (who are fantastic, highly intelligent, and law-abiding people) actually subscribe to many of Ted Kaczynski's ideas about the role of technology in society.

In my experience, many of these Ivy League CS/tech people prioritize research over everything else, and believe the pursuit of knowledge and implementation of evidence-based practices should be the goal of human civilization. As a result, they see profit and institutions as incompatible with their vision of an ideal society. For example, several of my friends believe insurance companies and the pharmaceutical industry are the primary reason 'alternative' psychiatric treatments, such as psychedelics and ketamine, are not studied or widely used.

To me, the suspects apparent views on technology, medicine, and institutions (including insurance companies) tracks with the pretty radical views many of my own Ivy League CS-major friends have. The only thing that differentiates this suspect from them is how he acted on his ideology.
 
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He comes from a very intelligent and successful family, and was trending that way himself. He’d probably have gone on to make a fortune in his field, and now he’ll spend the rest of his life in prison.

He seems to break the mold in a lot of ways (apparently not antisocial, no criminal record that we know about), seemingly well adjusted, very, very intelligent.

Seemingly a solid family background. No obvious signs of mental illness at this point.

Given the degree of damage to his spine shown in the x-ray on his X profile ( x.com ), he might have been, almost certainly was in, really bad pain. Probably all the time. Indeed, to me it looks like he needs more surgery.

So he might have felt his life was already ruined and he could not get healthcare or maybe had to accept only certain job offers that allowed him to WFH.

Pain can make people do really crazy things. And it causes a shutdown in ordinary rational thinking.

Just a guess.
 
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If I was on the jury I would actually hear him out.
All murderers think they should be heard out, that they had some reason to murder another human being. Hope this guy spends the rest of his life in prison where he belongs.
 
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He said he acted alone and was self funded in his 2 page doc

Per John Miller CNN
I'm relieved.

I'm angry at the perp, but relieved it was indeed a lone wolf who went off the deep end. I hope nobody finds him admirable and I'm glad there wasn't a group working with him - that is very good to know.

jmo
 
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I think Bt was highly targeted. Is there not a lawsuit against UHc for using AI to turn down claims particular for older people and he has lost his grandparents and has computer engineering insight. BT approved this software and was head of record breaking profits going to an investor meeting…this was to make a huge statement. Murder is never acceptable but he is right protest doesn’t seem to change anything either. What a mess. Poor families.
 
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Just don’t understand what he was trying to achieve, BT didn’t own the company they will just replace him with another CEO and it will be business as usual, meanwhile he will probably get a whole life sentence in jail or a minimum of 40 years, what a waste of an incredible mind/talent

No sympathy for him, he has robbed 2 young kids of their dad
This has been in the media cycle for about a week. The public sentiment has not been at all sympathetic to health care, or their CEOS. That is what he was trying to achieve IMO>
 
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One of the ironies here is that he just turned 26 - so he only would have been off his parent’s health insurance for a few months.
 
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He really liked McDonald's! ..no more McDonald’s for him.
Unless he ends up on death row (doubt it) and asks for McDonald's as his last meal.
 
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Did anyone check his Goodreads account to see if he’d read the Jay Feinman book “Delay. Deny. Defend.”?
 
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Maybe arrogant and a bit entitled? He seems to want to come across as the smartest guy in the room, even if he is, it's not something you should have to tell the world. The important people would already know.

JMO
Agree his twitter feed shows his arrogance and I think entitlement has lead him to believing this justifies him taking life.
 
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So why Brian Thompson?

And who else?

Don't know yet, but he seemed to have been very knowledgeable about the issue and likely also about the trials and tribulations of the Thompson and United. It was in the news about the insider trading and Thompson's use of flawed AI to reject a lot of medically necessary claims of seniors.

Most Americans sadly don't pay much attention to the abuses of the health insurance industry until they become a victim, but the news is out there. If you're paying attention, you know things are bad and getting worse. JMO
 
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Why McDonald's?

It's a people's restaurant, looked down on by elitists. Some wealthy areas will prevent McDonald's from building a restaurant using "snob" zoning.
 
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