NY - UnitedHealthcare CEO Brian Thompson fatally shot in Midtown. #8 *Arrest*

[Tiff23fr]

Altoona police taking threats to officers and community members seriously, police chief says​

From CNN's Michelle Watson
Community members as well as police officers in Altoona, Pennsylvania, are receiving threats in the wake of Luigi Mangione’s capture, Altoona Deputy Chief of Police Derek Swope told reporters Tuesday.

“We have received some threats against our officers in building here. We’ve started investigating some threats against some citizens in our community,” Swope said. “We’re taking all those threats seriously.”

Swope also called Mangione’s case “polarizing.”

https://www.cnn.com/us/live-news/brian-thompson-luigi-mangione-unitedhealthcare-shooting-12-10-24/index.html

 

[karen in New York]

If the jail cot wasn't great for his back, he may legitimately be in pain. (No excuse for murder whether he's feigning or not).

Also sitting on a bus seat for hours ...

 

[Big Ears]

Holy mackerel, check the heavy grip on his surgically repaired neck.

I stand corrected. Surgery was L-5, lower back, not neck.

 

[10ofRods]

For sure.

The cognitive dissonance between the good-looking, popular, wealthy, valedictorian surfer dude vs. this guy maniacally baring his teeth at the police, eyes glaring, is difficult to fathom.

It really does seem to be that something triggered a Before and After in the life of LM.

If he did have back surgery then I don’t see what the primary complaint is against the insurance company. If that surgical X-ray is his then he wasn’t denied the operation.

I’ve known people who’ve had back surgery which somewhat alleviated the problem, and others who didn’t respond as well. Sometimes it works, sometimes not.

But in that ferocious face, I can indeed see the killer.

JMO

'Wasn't he also grabbed (hard) by the neck?

Isn't that what illicited the face? I only ask because I'm getting questions from students and people who live abroad. They want to know if that neck-clench is common in US courts (it isn't). This is not how the civilized world treats suspects.

That one shot, of him being neck-wrestled is not enough for me to think that this is an alter-ego. It ought not to have happened (and he ought not to have shouted - but he did, as many , many criminal defendants do).

What I see in that face is a man in pain.

IMO.

 

[OneLove]

Could you provide a source that this manifesto was verified and validated to be written by LM? It doesn’t line up with the manifesto he was found with, and the “modified” timestamp in the metadata is well after he was arrested and sitting in detention.

It was posted after he was arrested, and removed for “impersonation.”

No reputable outlet has mentioned it, because it’s not real. Unlike the real one, which has been cited since yesterday.

Could you provide a source that this manifesto was verified and validated to be written by LM? It doesn’t line up with the manifesto he was found with, and the “modified” timestamp in the metadata is well after he was arrested and sitting in detention.

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There is no "proof" that anything released to date is or is not authentic. Trial should be interesting. In mitigation, both UHC & LM will deny/confirm what they choose & evidence will be presented. If the Maglione family produces solid evidence that her diagnosis & timeline of events involving treatment, unneccesay delays causing renewed deductible periods (common insurance ploys utilized to increase profit margins), etc, & proof that he was with his mom during these time periods, if there are witnesses to her intractable suffering, etc, then we can at least say that *yes*, his actions are directly linked to UHC policies, even if inexcusable.

I also have zero doubt whatsoever that this highly trained experienced tech engineer would know how to set things up to have an explanation of his actions made public after his arrest. I'm equally confident that UHC would use every means at their disposal to suppress any and all damaging information to the fullest extent of their abilities.

 

[10ofRods]

I stand corrected. Surgery was L-5, lower back, not neck.

True - and it wasn't on his surgical site. But surely those of us with pain in our skeletons are aware that the skeleton and its nerves are connected. Plus, no one should be clenched by the neck. Most jurisdictions find other ways of controlling perps, they don't have to squeeze their jugulars.

Oh my. So many things that will now lead to years of court time being spent.

IMO.

 

[JudyBolton]

Can I read the link?

Here you go: McDonald’s customer, who spotted United Healthcare CEO killer Luigi Mangione, speaks out

 

[JudyBolton]

I would like to think so. lol JMO!

Here it is: McDonald’s customer, who spotted United Healthcare CEO killer Luigi Mangione, speaks out

 

[browneyes]

In an interview one of the McDonald's customers who saw him stated that he had been in the area for 2 or more days. So, if true, I'm guessing the bus was long gone.

Thank you. I missed that.

 

[Friday Fan]

Here you go: McDonald’s customer, who spotted United Healthcare CEO killer Luigi Mangione, speaks out

I wish he wouldn't have spoken out. I worry about his safety etc.

 

[fcavanaugh]

His so-called manifesto details his mother's very tragic medical case, her intense suffering, and the horrific way UHC's policies affected her life and constant intractable pain. One cannot begin to understand without reading LM's own words.

Well all I can say is there are thousands if not millions of people across the country that have either suffered with the same issues themselves or have watched family members, friends, loved ones suffer through it all- insufferable pain and nerve damage, surgeries, insurance company delays/denials/hassles etc. and imo and my own personal experience is that most deal with it as best they can, are thankful for what they do have, and continue to plod through life taking the good, bad, and the ugly without becoming hateful, unhinged vigilantes.

So LM certainly does not speak for everyone dealing with the same issues themselves or watching their family members/loved ones suffer through them. And yes some of these same people do also struggle with certain mental illnesses while going through severe back and nerve pain, weakness, numbness, surgeries etc etc and haven’t turned into vigilantes nor would they support/want someone turning vigilante on their behalf. IMO.

Even if LM does have some type of as yet known/undiagnosed mental illness which I do believe is extremely possible, still does not justify what he’s done which is executed someone in cold blood, a Father of two Sons whose lives will never be the same.
This act of his, his execution of BT for his ‘cause’ has ruined the lives of so many innocents. The Thompson Sons and their extended family, his own family etc. An extremely selfish act but I doubt he thought about any of the innocent lives he’s harmed or about any other consequences of his actions for that matter.

IMO, LM is a radicalized, hateful, unhinged vigilante mad at the world for all his problems (poor LM) advocating violence and imo trying to incite a sort of revolution that he’s the CEO of.

It’s also really sad and unfortunate that he’s found supporters, an audience that applauds him/what he did. That is scary to me for the future i.e., copycats, unhinged people turned uncivilized vigilante just walking up and executing people/executives of companies in the streets that they don’t like or agree with. Sad and scary to even contemplate/think about.

IMHOO

 

[sas0807]

Calling in threats to the police officers sounds like a particularly stupid thing to do lol

 

[fred&edna]

How did his back injury occur? Do we know? It wasn't due to surfing because he had the problem when he moved in with roommates in HI (per his former roommate).

jmo

 

[Inthedetails]

A killer just moves on to the next issue / circumstance in their own life. Carrying blame on others.

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Very good point. I expect we might hear complaints down the road from him about LE, his lawyer, hash browns, former employer, NYC, math being discovered before he had a chance to do it, reading selection behind bars....anything, everything.

Whether he's always been this way, I have no idea, but he lashes out at others. He's destructive (even if his fans think he's doing something constructive).

jmo

 

[JudyBolton]

RE: Discussion above about delay of surgery. Here is his take on that: (From Reddit). "I never understood the "too young for a fusion" logic. Your spine is fractured and the structural security of your spine is compromised. When someone breaks their leg, are they "too young" for surgery? I suppose you're "too young" to have back pain, but that doesn't change the fact that you do."

 

[MassGuy]

True - and it wasn't on his surgical site. But surely those of us with pain in our skeletons are aware that the skeleton and its nerves are connected. Plus, no one should be clenched by the neck. Most jurisdictions find other ways of controlling perps, they don't have to squeeze their jugulars.

Oh my. So many things that will now lead to years of court time being spent.

IMO.

That’s a very standard move that all or almost all police departments teach. It’s a simple pressure point technique (there are multiple) that can quickly gain compliance and establish control of a situation before it escalates.

It hurts, but it’s temporary.

 

[mrstfs]

Well. It's sure not a denim dye pattern I'd buy if everyone here sees a pee stain. lol

I agree but apparently they can cost $800

These jeans that make you look like you wet yourself cost $800 – and sold out. Why?

The online mockery for Jordanluca's "crotch stain" denim hasn't seemed to hinder sales. Experts say there's a reason why designs like this resonate.

www.usatoday.com

 

[OneLove]

DBM, posted information not sourced.

Hard to know. To be fair, everything at this point is suspect as to verification and/or suppression. Trial should be interesting.

 

[sas0807]

How did his back injury occur? Do we know? It wasn't due to surfing because he had the problem when he moved in with roommates in HI (per his former roommate).

jmo

I don't know if it's ever been established. From his (alleged) reddit posts, he says he's had the issue since he was younger so it's unclear what, if anything, caused it.

 

[EBW321]

Can someone provide clarity to me on the manifesto that is circulating. Is it LM’s actual manifesto or is a narrated for a public snippet of what the actual manifesto is?

MOO.. I cannot remember LE releasing any other killers manifesto so quickly to the public in full like this. Pieces and parts for discussion yes, but the actual entire manifesto in 24 hours of arrest? To me that seems off. Could be wrong here.

MOO.. The manifesto circulating has a few grammatical errors (not many) but enough to raise the question as to if this copy circulating is re-written and not the original by LM or if LM mental status at the time shows in what appears to be a rushed and or manic limited explanation/message for the crime.

For someone who likes to write and does that well and in his spare time apparently read manifestos of others and is intelligent enough to have written a much more elaborate manifesto, with every thought and reason behind it… I guess I am just surprised it is only 3 pages and appears to have been written in a hurry and or too short and sweet to the point. I just find this contradicting to what I’d have expected from LM. I’d assume LE would have expected more as well. Especially from someone who clearly spent months planning this murder. Had plenty of time to write a lengthy Manifesto. The thought he wouldn’t have done this more before hand in a more grandiose - lengthy manner is puzzling. It is also strange because if this was written after the murder…most who write a manifesto write it before committing the act of violence / crime and it is usually much longer with a lot more rambling and ideology justifying why they did what they did.

This appears to me that it may have been written after….(I could be wrong just my observation) or at the very least rushed and in the midst of a clear mental breakdown.

I would also consider this more of a confession note, less of a manifesto.

JMO