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[fred&edna]

I don't think LM even comes close to Ted Kaczynski. He's not as intelligent as TK, nor as mentally ill as TK. TK was found competent to stand trial.

jmo

 

[ttjo]

Sorry, I thought you were talking about the video with the timer on it, not the first " manifesto.
I think they're both fake. The video that came out had a part 2, and whoever did it wrote Despose on the video, but the word Depose was on the bullet. And another couple of mistakes that made me think it was not written by someone with a master's degree.
The first " manifesto that came out was so long and talked about his mom and her struggles in a lot of detail. It sounded fake because I think I read that the mom was very active in running the businesses. Whether she is or not doesn't even matter, it's not about his mom.

 

[SleuthJan]

We shall see. I assume he'll change tactics as the days go by, but I do believe he has now discovered he has what he wants:

the Public Lens.

Sneering, acting out - but publicly shown to the rest of us. I too think that his jailers will figure out the ways that are most used to prevent things like this from happening. They can't stop the sneers. Looks like he's obeying his lawyer - and that will be key to his future conduct. Put him back in civilian clothes, bow to his food requests, give him the sense that his lawyers are on his side and he will reform himself.

Neck pinching should be minimized, esp when cameras are rolling.

IMO.

How does he know that he has the public? This outpouring has increased only since the capture I think.

 

[caradana]

Agree, he'll go from a hero to a zero.

Khalid SM was a Saudi terrorist. Luigi is a blueblood broski from Baltimore. The elite kids from Boston through Miami look in the mirror and they see in themselves shades of Luigi. Many of them have common alma maters. Many of them would tell an anonymous pollster on the phone that they’d kill to defend their mothers.

I urge you to see context here. This man is going to be a celebrity for a few years at least, longer if he hits the weight room at whatever prison he’s sent to. American appetites are predictable. Robin Hood here is amassing his band of merry men, and amassing it, he is doing, with vigor, as Good Will Hunting might put it.

 

[ttjo]

How does he know that he has the public? This outpouring has increased only since the capture I think.

I think it started with the smile shot at the hostel

 

[NottaYutz]

I think he is more like Elizabeth Holmes or Sam Bankman-Fried- yes he is intelligent, but maybe also crazy in that his objectives, motives and actions are not legal and he believes that he is on a mission to save the world. Some legal definitions of mentally incompetent are very restrictive.

Intelligent but not smart. I said the same about Bryan Kohberger.

 

[MassGuy]

Khalid SM was a Saudi terrorist. Luigi here is a blueblood broski from Baltimore.
I urge you to see context here. This man is going to be a celebrity for a few years at least, longer if he hits the weight room at whatever prison he’s sent to. American appetites are pretty predictable.

If a guy like Chris Watts can become a celebrity, then this guy is guaranteed that.

We’ll be hearing from him a lot too.

 

[Sundog]

He is 100% going to make the trial him v the healthcare system, sadly I can see many on the jury falling for it

I think the judge in a trial on these charges would make it very clear to a jury in his or her instructions that the trial is not about this, and let them know that they can't take certain things into account when they deliberate on the guilt or non-guilt of the defendant, and they have to ignore certain other things and the judge will spell those out.

 

[gitana1]

I agree, there’s probably some mental health issue exasperating his feelings. And this next comment is separate from your post, but I don’t agree with a lot of the other comments about him being selfish, spoiled brat, etc. He’s saying the opposite from what I’ve seen - his manifesto was in defense of the American people. The people who are crying narcissism, etc can’t possibly ignore the fact that SO MANY Americans have been at the mercy of private health insurance companies. Combine these festering feelings of so many with America’s propensity for gun violence, this was definitely somewhere on our bingo card.

I think the narcissism lies in the belief that he should be the one to fix it, that he could fix it and that he had a right to murder someone to do so.

 

[caradana]

If a guy like Chris Watts can become a celebrity, then this guy is guaranteed that.

We’ll be hearing from him a lot too.

Precisely. Yes. Could not agree more.

 

[caradana]

Intelligent but not smart. I said the same about Bryan Kohberger.

Yes. Kohberger and LM are very different, but the nod to high intelligence is real.

 

[soap mama]

La Squeegie will get love letters, but I'm sure he will think he's too good for the ones who write him.

 

[CrimeDawg123]

I wonder why LM was arguing about the amount of money found on him. It wasn't enough to get him very far, what difference did it make to him?

 

[caradana]

neither do I - I read it in his bio. Lawyer Thomas M. Dickey - Altoona, Pa | Law suits | Legal Custody | DUI
Also, I didn't see it but someone posted here that he held a press conference after the hearing which was described as a "nothing burger!" From those two tidbits, I have drawn some conclusions about him.

Thomas M. Dickey of Altoona is achieving his objective, when he’s defending the marquis case of his county’s time, and when a smart competent woman on the internet who had never heard of him prior to today is mentioning his name and assessing his press conference strategy. That’s exactly his goal.

 

[waldojabba]

Then let me revise.

He's likely going to be enraged and shouting into the future, so it's important that LE get a grip on how to handle him.

Dozens and hundreds of perps are unruly. Most of the time, LE (where I live) tries hard to anticipate that, so as to avoid awkward photos like this one - which benefits the perp, IMO. In these circumstances.

The real issue is: are criminal defendants disallowed by law from speaking in court? No, they are not - not exactly. A judge can cause them to face contempt charges (which should happen in cases like this - but we all know that to someone who is facing life in prison, that's not much of a disincentive).

The defense got a good photo op. It was not necessary. If he had still been yelling inside the court, let judge and bailiff deal with it (it's part of Justice, after all).

If people don't think the police actions are viewed askance by many Americans, then I don't know what to say. This particular guy has way more popular support than he should - and as someone whose own life work has been about primitive rebellion and Robin Hood-like attempts to gain public opinion, well, do people really not see how badly this reads to the public? This is the highest profile case of its type. It's going to go on for a long time.

His shouting is going to continue to be a problem. Is he going to be deemed seriously mentally ill because he has his viewpoints? Really? That's not usually how psychiatric diagnosis works. In mental hospitals, we see people like this all day, every day - and using a neck pinch is very, very rare. Why not use the same techniques as we do in mental hospitals? I work in hospitals for the criminally insane and cringed.

OTOH, this is a small town in PA. I live in a big city, with way more attention paid to such incidents in court (at least locally).

He was, according to MSM, shouting at reporters, trying to be heard. This will resonate with many Americans. He knows what he's doing.

IMO

I have to totally agree with the horrible optics of the neck pinch. It jumped out at me immediately esp in today's climate. I actually cringed seeing that pic, esp with his supposed pain issues. And I am not really feeling sympathetic about him. It just should not happen. It appears over the top and gratuitous and just gives people a bad taste for LE. Common sense. I have been to Altoona - it's not the big city but they certainly know better. Its a time to be aware of the media and the camera's. Everything gets scrutinized ten ways to Sunday! Heads up!
JMO

 

[Knox]

Yale linguist and Penn psych here. I can’t make any sense of your post.

Thought maybe my humble CSU Degree disqualified me, but if you can’t I feel better.

Do we know what caused his inital back injury? If it was stated I missed that.

 

[acutename]

Wow, what a difference in this pic and the smiling hostel one. Yikes!

yes... looks like a wounded animal. Did he never imagine being imprisoned?

 

[MassGuy]

I wonder why LM was arguing about the amount of money found on him. It wasn't enough to get him very far, what difference did it make to him?

Incredibly strange. He should have been focused on the gun and silencer, yet he’s talking about cash and the signal blocking bag (or whatever it was).

 

[SleuthJan]

I think he is more like Elizabeth Holmes or Sam Bankman-Fried- yes he is intelligent, but maybe also crazy in that his objectives, motives and actions are not legal and he believes that he is on a mission to save the world. Some legal definitions of mentally incompetent are very restrictive.

Not quite. Elizabeth Holmes displayed very questionable behavior for most of her adult life from what I know. It’s quite the opposite here- impeccable behavior up until the last few months, again from what we know so far.

 

[Tippy Lynn]

Incredibly strange. He should have been focused on the gun and silencer, yet he’s talking about cash and the signal blocking bag (or whatever it was).

There’s definitely a disconnect.