NY - UnitedHealthcare CEO Brian Thompson fatally shot in Midtown. #8 *Arrest*

[Chimera]

I'm thinking now that this wasn't anything to do with his injury. It was clearly not affecting him at all and hadn't been for some time. I don't think he started reading books from notable radicals and murdering criminals and posting about them only in the past few months, either.

Agreed, LM seemed pretty agile when he made his escape on that bike !

Maybe he'd been seething about something for years ?
I admit I haven't read his manifesto.

Eta : Maybe an injustice collector.
But if so -- he had much to be thankful for and he threw it all away.
It sounds from the articles that his family was worried about him.
There were people who cared for LM, he wasn't all alone in the world.
Omo.

 

[Kapua]

He did chose to live in Hawaii so I can't imagine he was THAT hard off or why live in one of the most expensive places you can in the US? He was in Japan earlier this year based on photos and things he posted. Also his mother thought he was living in California because that is where she filed that missing person report so maybe he lived there at one point also. That is also an expensive place to live.

I live in CA and have friends who live in HI. Both places are ridiculously expensive. I once had a manager from CO who was planning to move his family out here until he saw the price of houses. Anyway, the difference between overpriced CA and overpriced HI, is that you can get a well-paying job in CA, and the majority of jobs in HI are service jobs in hotels and restaurants. People work two or three jobs in both places to survive. LM, as we know now, was far from hard off. He had $8000 in US cash and the equivalent of $2000 in foreign currency on hand when he was arrested.

MSN

 

[Furore]

I hear ya. I have a son this age.

But a health-insurance company CEO is not responsible for making sure a rich kid gets to do the activities he wants to do in Hawaii.

IMO, this murderer is similar to other shooters who are young men with mental-health issues and decide to lash out at strangers. I didn't think this crime had an American feel to it, but it does. A young man with a gun shot a stranger, period. There is nothing heroic or revolutionary about him.

jmopinion

Totally agree, there were a million helpful things he could have done for society . He has spent his life being treated and special and different throughout schooling and a man with “big ideas” who came up against adult realities and felt like doing something radical.

I haven’t heard him claim or seen any evidence that his back pain or surgery was what attached him to BT but it does seem the incident was a precedent to the radicalisation that followed. MOO

 

[x_files]

Anybody else think that this bright young man, valedictorian, was recruited right out of college? I'm thinking CIA.

I'm curious as well, but not sure the CIA would want to eliminate a CEO. I could be wrong though. Why BT? vs another CEO? I am intrigued.

 

[ClearAhead]

I am waiting for confirmation of all of the “facts” that are swirling. So far, I think the kid cracked. Maybe he always had something going on, and then something else happened that caused him to go off the rails. Do I think he was okay his whole life and a back injury and ensuing pain caused him to murder? I do not.

No I don’t either, nor do I believe refusal of compensation for back pain was the motive to murder the company’s CEO. Money cannot cure pain nor misery.

I think notoriety was a strong motivator considering he wrote a manifesto and probably expected to get captured. Everybody now knows his name, some even support his murderous actions.

JMO

 

[Inthedetails]

Totally agree, there were a million helpful things he could have done for society . He has spent his life being treated and special and different throughout schooling and a man with “big ideas” who came up against adult realities and felt like doing something radical.

I haven’t heard him claim or seen any evidence that his back pain or surgery was what attached him to BT but it does seem the incident was a precedent to the radicalisation that followed. MOO

What followed is he got a gun and shot a stranger.

jmo

 

[x_files]

I don’t have or watch the news all though I keep up with things on the internet. I mentioned that he was found yesterday to a friend who had no clue. A lot of people don’t watch the news or know of current events.

True, but if your son, or brother has been missing a few month you think they'd check the news.

 

[x_files]

Wow, I am even more impressed with the ones that recognized him. I certainly wouldn't have. He looks totally different in these photos to me. Good job for calling 911!!

I wouldn't have either!
Not with a mask on.

 

[Betty P]

Our Congressional representatives meet regularly with constituents in their districts, and have hired great staff who manage their district offices and are incredibly responsive. I had the same experience when we lived in California with both our Senate and Congressmembers in their district offices, and if we were in Washington, D.C. and had scheduled meetings with them.

Ours used to, but only one or two now meet with constituents. Some will take phone calls in the district office, but the most effective lobbying is done with staff in DC. It requires a detailed presentation along with close follow up to persuade the member to sign onto legislation and do something substantive to get it passed.

These days its nearly impossible to schedule a meeting with a staffer in the DC office. Forget having a meeting with the member of Congress themselves. Most of their time is spent with corporate lobbyists.

 

[x_files]

Sorry, I should have said not many people wear a mask in public anymore not that no one does. Maybe one in ten? So by being one of ten, you are unnecessarily calling attention to yourself especially when the country’s most wanted at the moment is a masked assassin.

Depends on the city, and location.
Yesterday in Walmart I noticed an uptick of medical masks again.

 

[sds71]

An Altoona man who frequents the McDonald’s that Luigi Mangione was arrested at on Monday says he and his friends saw the suspected shooter before the arrest was made.

The regular, who identified himself as Larry, told CNN he got to McDonald’s around 6 a.m. ET on Monday, but he and his friends noticed Mangione walk in somewhere around 8 a.m. ET.

“It started out almost like a joke, my one friend thought he looked like the shooter,” Larry said.

“From what I was told, the worker that took his order, she said his eyes and his eyebrows, she just thought it was him,” Larry said.

https://www.cnn.com/us/live-news/brian-thompson-luigi-mangione-unitedhealthcare-shooting-12-10-24/index.html

 

[Sunshynn]

I'm thinking he had to know exactly what Brian looked like, some people look nothing like their online photo if they've gained/lost weight, facial hair growth, etc.

I'm also wondering this and/or if BT was the true intended target or if anyone that was attending the conference would have been. JMO.
I mean, I know that as CEO, BT was the face of the UHC but to a lesser degree than Andrew Witty.
There's still so many unanswered questions about this shooting. You talk about one and five more pop into your head, imo.

 

[BrianJohnson]

I'm still wondering how LM knew BT would be by himself outside the hotel when he was.

LM is a computer genius, maybe he hacked into BT’s laptop or the company computers, it would have all the security arrangements on there

 

[x_files]

To be fair, we don't know that they didn't call the police.

Good point. Maybe they tipped off the police.

 

[x_files]

He is certainly a sad character. The whole thing is very sad.

Yes, it is he is obviously intelligent, too bad he didn't return to college to become an attorney and fight the insurance companies instead.

 

[Sundog]

"Debilitating!? Hmmmmm, he was still able to be up at 5am, walk around the streets near the hotel and hang around for ages whilst still managing to shoot someone several times (while rapidly clearing repeated malfunctions) carrying a backpack and then ride off into the sunrise on a fast bike!

Not debilitating at all, by the looks of it.

And that will work against him if he uses debilitating back pain as part of his defense at his trial, if there is a trial.

 

[Tiff23fr]

I recognize and appreciate that his HI acquaintances have shared stories around his back problem, surgery, etc. I really wish someone who knew him prior to HI could shed light.

Call me the furthest in the crazy nest this moment I suppose, but I see “Someone getting screwed in the back” (symbolic) when I look at the x-Ray photo. It feels like Monopoly money….

 

[legalese]

I think that the killing of a law enforcement officer and a few other categories is "aggravated murder" under New York state law. I was looking at this last night to try to determine why he is being charged with second-degree murder. Maybe there is a verified attorney on this thread who can weigh in on this.

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I’m pending verification but can weigh in if you would like/if it is allowed

 

[SlimPickens]

Something is going on there, but the issue with something like you suggest is how does that jibe with this meticulous, well planned, well executed crime?

If he was exhibiting something like that, I'd expect something much more ill conceived. He just walks up to him, fires a bunch of rounds, runs away, and is quickly apprehended.

I'm not an expert, but it just doesn't seem like a mental illness like that would present in this way (the way this crime was committed).

So I'm still completely confused, but I do think that side of it is definitely worth exploring.

True. The plotting and execution seemed meticulously done, which seems like it would be unusual with a serious mental illness like that. But the "after" behavior sure has me wondering.

If I recall correctly, Kascynski was diagnosed with paranoid schizophrenia. He was a meticulous planner too, and evidently a new-ish "hero" to this cat.

Wild stuff either way.

JMO.

 

[Kapua]

To be fair, we don't know that they didn't call the police.

And if they had called the police, they still would not be able to tell them his whereabouts. It took someone in the same place at the same time to do that.