NY - UnitedHealthcare CEO Brian Thompson fatally shot in Midtown. #8 *Arrest*

[krikken]

"Debilitating!? Hmmmmm, he was still able to be up at 5am, walk around the streets near the hotel and hang around for ages whilst still managing to shoot someone several times (while rapidly clearing repeated malfunctions) carrying a backpack and then ride off into the sunrise on a fast bike!

Not debilitating at all, by the looks of it.

He had surgery later, which comes with tradeoffs.

 

[Kapua]

Here's some new background info:

Health care shooting arrest: What are Luigi Mangione’s ties to California?

“We can confirm that a person by the name of Luigi Mangione was employed as a head counselor under the Stanford Pre-Collegiate Studies program between May and September of 2019,” Stanford spokesperson Dee Mostofi told KCRA 3 in a statement.

www.ksbw.com

 

[Synergizer Bunny]

It does sound like the surgery was botched if that’s what you mean. From the NYTimes:



It sounds like he left Hawaii in the summer of 2023 for his surgery. He told Martin (his Hawaii friend/the owner of the co-living space in Hawaii) that he would be going to the east coast for his surgery where his doctor was. Assuming that means Maryland? But that’s a guess. But then at some point he seems to leave home and stops contacting family, per the messages on to his Twitter account. Where was he living all of 2024?

I didn't realize that he went back to MD for his surgery. Hopefully, I can edit my post. I was wondering why he would have surgery in Hawaii. So, was his roommate a former roommate by the time the surgery took place? I actually don't think the surgery was botched. I sure wish the surgeon could speak about the operation, but I know that he can't.

I am just going by what I saw of this guy on video and also him taking a bus for long periods of time and staying in a hostel with roommates. The roomies at the Hostel would be able to tell if LM seemed like he had trouble getting around. I can't see those beds as being top of the line. I would think that his back would be killing him after sleeping in one. I know that my back would be killing me; and I don't really have back problems.

JMO.

 

[nodamselindistress]

This embittered young man, who had everything going for him self-radicalized by seeking a cause so that he could become a ‘folk-hero’. He set out to become the Unabomber. He picked healthcare. I am pretty sure the hallucinogenics he self-medicated his mental health problems with probably made them worse. He’s a textbook incel - with a self-found ‘mission’. Truly tragic.

Bingo! This is exactly what I am thinking, especially since reading his thoughts about not being able to be famous for inventing something because it has all been done already.

 

[Big Ears]

Stressed enough to wet his britches. Anybody find his inmate booking info?

 

[justtrish]

With the pedigree Luigi had, it seems to me that he could get a high paying government job. He lived on Oahu where there are a bunch of military installations.

I lived on Oahu for 4.5 years and got a government job at Ft. Shafter. Those jobs even pay extra with a COLA difference added to your paycheck. IMO, it is the local people who struggle to afford to live, with many family members often living under one roof.

I also didn't take a technical job with Chevron in San Ramon many years ago (at the beginning of my career) because of the expense. I instead took a job with BellSouth in Alabama which started me at the same salary.

San Francisco is one of the most expensive places to live and so is Honolulu, HI. IMO, this young man enjoyed the weather and outdoor type of lifestyle. Those were his main drivers. I actually ran a race every weekend and often did triathlons while living in Hawaii.

I just don't buy his physical health issues being the motive for this murder. He above others had the money and the family background to get the best care. In fact, his family is prominent in Baltimore, the home of Johns Hopkins. Why on earth did he choose to have the operation in Hawaii instead of coming home and going to a surgeon recommended by his family and/or sister?

I have to think that this young man had something else going on, like, maybe, schizophrenia, if not a case of being spoiled and entitled. His friend in Hawaii said they often talked about capitalism, all the while living the high life afforded by capitalism. Go figure.

I think that there is a lot more to this story about Luigi. It's sad because I read that he went to a $40k a year high school and then went to an expensive Ivy League school for six years. By all accounts, this was a brilliant individual with a bright future.

JMO.

I am guessing here, but if he had issues with corporates America and insurance companies, then I bet he had something to say about the US military also and the government in general. I doubt he'd want to work for the government.

Seems he had a remote job and he decided to live on Oahu. Maybe his health coverage didn't have in network providers in Hawaii since his job wasn't based in Hawaii. Healthcare was not the greatest in Hawaii when I lived there. It is limited to what is on the island and there was often long waits for referrals due to limited providers. I don't know why he would chose to live in Hawaii if he had a remote job other than he wanted to. Part of adulting is then facing the consequences of that decision. I get it, Hawaii is exciting and so choosing to live there is an adventure and he was young so why not.. well if you need medical care that you can't/aren't getting there, then that is a good reason to not live there. Seems based on that message posted earlier from his friend in Hawaii, he was trying to get back there but had to deal with the back stuff first. So was he in California because that is where he could be seen and get the surgery?

 

[human_Behavior]

Sorry if this has already been posted:
"Luigi Mangione inside Altoona, PA McDonalds eating what appears to be a hash brown before arrest."

https://twitter.com/x/status/1866510162569331075

 

[MassGuy]

Stressed enough to wet his britches. Anybody find his inmate booking info?

This is his most current information. Not much there.

Inmate/Parolee Locator

inmatelocator.cor.pa.gov

 

[dotr]

It comes down to this and perhaps a type of confusion surrounding dating in general... imo, total speculation.

Luigi Mangione 'was unable to have sex because of severe back injury'

RJ Martin said Mangione had told him the injury sustained following an accident had made dating impossible.

www.dailymail.co.uk

'He knew that dating and being physically intimate with his back condition wasn’t possible,' Mr Martin told The Times''

 

[RobSA]

Sorry if this has already been posted:
"Luigi Mangione inside Altoona, PA McDonalds eating what appears to be a hash brown before arrest."

https://twitter.com/x/status/1866510162569331075

Without the mask, I don't give him a second thought.

 

[Herat]

Luigi Mangione 'was unable to have sex because of severe back injury'

RJ Martin said Mangione had told him the injury sustained following an accident had made dating impossible.

www.dailymail.co.uk

Brian Thompson shooting suspect Luigi Mangione suffered a back injury so severe he was unable to have sex, a former roommate said.

RJ Martin lived with the murder defendant for six months at a Hawaii co-living space and told The New York Times about 26 year-old Mangione's secret agony.

'He knew that dating and being physically intimate with his back condition wasn’t possible,' Mr Martin told The Times.

Explaining the injury that Mangione had suffered after a back condition called spondylolisthesis was worsened by a surfing accident Martin said: 'His spine was kind of misaligned.

'He said his lower vertebrae were almost like a half-inch off, and I think it pinched a nerve.'

Martin told CNN that Mangione, who he described as a bright engineer, suffered from debilitating pain throughout his six month stay at SurfBreak during 2022.

He said a single surf lesson left Mangione 'in bed for a week' afterwards, adding: 'It was really traumatic and difficult, you know, when you’re in your early twenties and you can’t, you know, do some basic things.'

I think this post does help explain some of the physical as well as emotional distress he seems to have been in prior to, and possibly after his surgery. Loss of the ability to be intimate feeling like a life sentence to unhappiness.

However, I have yet to connect this and his chronic pain issues to Brian Thompson.

If he felt the surgery had not fixed his problems, wouldn't he have been more likely to target the orthopedic surgeon? Or makes significant protests about it. It's also unclear to me whether his family knew of, or understood his emotional distress. Having relatives with a healthcare business, you might think he would be able to get information on how best to fight a denial or get other kinds of care to help him.

How does the very unfortunate issues with his physical abilities and his chronic pain relate to Brian Thompson? If we are surmising that UHC denied him some kind of care, why is this not better explained, why is it not in the manifesto?

At this point, I still see no link to a denial of care or limitation of reimbursement as fact.

 

[thefragile7393]

No, they don’t.

Yes they do

 

[soap mama]

You know it's a big case when Mr Soap Mama is following via MSM and discusses what he heard and thinks.

"He didn't lose his marbles. His marbles are all there. He lost his moral compass."

Excellent point Mr Soap Mama!

 

[Big Ears]

I didn't realize that he went back to MD for his surgery. Hopefully, I can edit my post. I was wondering why he would have surgery in Hawaii. So, was his roommate a former roommate by the time the surgery took place? I actually don't think the surgery was botched. I sure wish the surgeon could speak about the operation, but I know that he can't.

I am just going by what I saw of this guy on video and also him taking a bus for long periods of time and staying in a hostel with roommates. The roomies at the Hostel would be able to tell if LM seemed like he had trouble getting around. I can't see those beds as being top of the line. I would think that his back would be killing him after sleeping in one. I know that my back would be killing me; and I don't really have back problems.

JMO.

Wonder how he slept last night on a stainless bed, a 3" mattress and a thin pillow.

 

[MassGuy]

New York prosecutors released charging documents in CEO shooting case. Here's what we learned​

From CNN's Amanda Musa and Celina Tebor
New York prosecutors Tuesday released official charging documents in the case of Luigi Mangione, the man suspected of killing UnitedHealthcare CEO Brian Thompson last week.

In the documents, Detective Yousef Demes of the Midtown North Detective Squad outlined evidence that officials say proves Mangione is the person depicted in surveillance video fatally shooting Thompson outside of a Hilton Hotel in Midtown Manhattan.

The purported evidence includes:

• Hostel surveillance footage: The man depicted in the surveillance video of the shooting is the same man depicted leaving a Manhattan hostel at around 5:30 a.m. ET, about an hour before the shooting, Demes said in his report. He noted the man seen in the hostel footage is wearing the same clothing. The evidence also includes footage of the same man checking into the hostel on November 24 around 11 p.m. ET, according to Demes.
• Hostel records: Business records from the hostel shows the man provided a New Jersey driver’s license with the name of Mark Rosario on it, Demes said.
• Fake ID found: While being taken into custody at a Pennsylvania McDonald’s on Monday, the 26-year-old Mangione presented a forged New Jersey ID with the name Mark Rosario listed as his identification, which matched the ID the man at the hostel used, Demes said in the report.

https://www.cnn.com/us/live-news/brian-thompson-luigi-mangione-unitedhealthcare-shooting-12-10-24/index.html

 

[bestill]

Wonder how he slept last night on a stainless bed, a 3" mattress and a thin pillow.

I bet he slept fine. He looks like he's been on the run since the murder and had sleepless nights and days, from the arrest photos. JMO

 

[soap mama]

The media should not have said that the McDonalds employee is female, it doesn’t look a big restaurant so there can’t be huge numbers of female employees. All it would take would be an angry LM supporter to turn up with a gun and shoot any female employee they see

LM fangirls probably can't put down Tik Tok long enough to do anything constructive, much less avenge his eyebrows.

 

[Florida_marlin]

I think a grandiosity complex. My thoughts are reinforced by his regret that Pythagoras and others had already discovered the “low hanging fruit”. Dang. Figured that he was as smart or smarter than the giants of history. Ok, he was intelligent, but calling him a genius is a bit much. Maybe his genius self got to the point where he “discovered” the only way for him to stand out in a big way was to be notorious instead of brilliant.

 

[Diddian]

You know, when a 25-26 year old male becomes increasingly rigid rather than more nuanced in his beliefs, is increasingly belligerent towards "others", is suddenly nomadic and self-isolating when he used to be social and outgoing, is privy to "hidden" information and/or knowledge that no one else seems to "get", and he shows increasingly paranoid behaviors with apparent grandiose delusions, I typically suspect he's had a sudden break from reality. His reported highly anxious demeanor, his likely peeing his pants, and his erratic and irrational behaviors following the crime (i.e. holding onto all of the evidence), is also atypical. It makes me suspect he could have recent onset schizophrenia.

Not trying to look for something to excuse what he did - schizophrenia isn't a disqualifier from being prosecuted for murder as far as I know - but man he sure went downhill fast.

JMO.

I'd be interested in the likelihood of increasing paranoia and delusions (independent of schizophrenia) when an individual increasingly isolates himself and communicates or gains information solely through a screen where he is selecting the source. That becomes a solipsist type of existence, with a lack of personal human contact to counter or mitigate fantasy-type thinking that then feels increasingly real.

 

[krikken]

I think a grandiosity complex. My thoughts are reinforced by his regret that Pythagoras and others had already discovered the “low hanging fruit”. Dang. Figured that he was as smart or smarter than the giants of history. Ok, he was intelligent, but calling him a genius is a bit much. Maybe his genius self got to the point where he “discovered” the only way for him to stand out in a big way was to be notorious instead of brilliant.

I didn't read the Pythagorean theorem part that way. He was saying his younger self might have felt cocky like that. Then he went on to express gratitude that he was standing on the shoulders of giants.