NY - UnitedHealthcare CEO Brian Thompson fatally shot in Midtown. #8 *Arrest*

[ttjo]

I think that attorney may be from Altoona simply because he is currently in Altoona. So maybe the family simply hired this guy to handle this process, and he’ll have another one to deal with his murder charge once he gets to NY.

Regardless, there are lots of reasons why he’d want to delay things.

That's right, is he a public defender? When they asked him if the family retained him, he said he wasn't going to get into that.

 

[otto]

Just focusing on this part of the manifesto:

..."I state plainly, that I wasn't working with anyone. This was fairly trivial: some elementary social engineering, basic CAD, a lot of patience."

So he's saying that his plot was fairly easy, despite it looking complex.

Social Engineering: He influenced or manipulated people to gain information, perhaps persuading someone to share certain details about BT's movements.

Basic CAD: (Computer-Aided Design):

Likely looked at maps and plotted his movements thanks to information available online.

A Lot of Patience: This one speaks for itself.

CAD might be 3D modelling of gun parts. The info has been available online for a long time.

 

[MassGuy]

Do you think this is what

That's right, is he a public defender? When they asked him if the family retained him, he said he wasn't going to get into that.

No I think he’s private. That doesn’t change things for me though. I’ve seen that happen and then another private defender taking it over once the change of jurisdiction happens.

 

[otto]

Of course not! I’m just saying they will have a hard time finding jurors who don’t have some kind of negative experience with the health care system. It will be tough work to parse out who will be sympathetic to LM vs who can separate their biases.

I think that by the time this goes to trial, there will be one conversation: did he murder Brian Thompson. All the thought processes that led to the decision don't really matter except to the suspect.

 

[m00c0w]

Not sure if this has been shared, yet. Criminal complaint against LM:

https://www.pacourts.us/Storage/media/pdfs/20241209/233900-mangione12924.pdf

Police testify that the suppressor was also 3D-printed. Aligns exactly with what I expected about the nature of the weapon malfunctions.

 

[BUF]

That's right, is he a public defender? When they asked him if the family retained him, he said he wasn't going to get into that.

His attorney was privately hired, not public defender

 

[Marantz4250b]

I'd presume that the prosecutor could mitigate that by pointing out that if we start allowing people to shoot people like this, then people shooting doctors who work for Planned Parenthood could use the same excuse.

Also, they're going to need to get a younger crowd in to avoid people who have had negative experiences with medical claims not being covered and so forth.

And what about people shooting jury members who let off people who decide to shoot CEOs in the street?!

Where does it end?

I'm not convinced that a jury is likely to ignore evidence to reinforce a criminals messed up ideology, though.

 

[TTF14]

That's right, is he a public defender? When they asked him if the family retained him, he said he wasn't going to get into that.

I can't really see them sticking with an attorney from Altoona. Maybe they haven't retained him, but he's hoping they do.

JMO IMO

 

[Furore]

That is no excuse for a cold-blooded murder.

Life is hard. Sometimes things happen that you feel are unfair. This happens to everyone.

I think this is an unusual case because for once, many of us find sympathy for the cause but of course not the act. Disliking the healthcare insurance world does not equate to wanting all its employees dead. I also don’t deny that decisions made in their boardrooms end and shorten life for millions of people. Again, that doesn’t mean they should die!!! But I think this case is generating a lot of feeling because it’s so unusual we have a murderer that we can even a tiny bit relate to - usually murders are about money, or sex, or a psychopathic enjoyment of hurting people, all things the average member of society abhors and can’t understand.

This is different because whilst he may not have represented what was good and pure in society, we all valued BT because he was a human being - someone’s dad, friend, colleague - and place such value on human life that there is almost no circumstance in which it becomes acceptable. (Self defence/defence of a loved one in a live, unmediated scenario being the only situations most of us would ever get close to seriously harming another human, let alone threatening their life.

LM does not sound like a psychopath, we haven’t heard that he liked arson or hurting animals, was a loner, etc or those early psychopathies. But something has radicalised him and that radicalisation has led to the otherisation and dark devaluation of people like BT, enabling LM to -take a life- to send a message. It’s grotesque, and as many others point out, LM had a thousand ways to counteract this societal ill as he saw it. Why? Does he enjoy power over others? Does he consider other humans lesser? (I suspect so). Did drugs or hallucinations or whatever mean he saw these things happen in his imagination lowering his moral repugnance for them actually happening?

I just have no idea what turns someone into a killer imho.

 

[krikken]

CAD might be 3D modelling of gun parts. The info has been available online for a long time.

Bingo.

 

[Warwick7]

In an interview one of the McDonald's customers who saw him stated that he had been in the area for 2 or more days. So, if true, I'm guessing the bus was long gone.

Can I read the link?

 

[otto]

And what about people shooting jury members who let off people who decide to shoot CEOs in the street?!

Where does it end?

I'm not convinced that a jury is likely to ignore evidence to reinforce a criminals messed up ideology, though.

How important is motive in NYC criminal trial?

 

[OneLove]

I had to google "30 degrees" to determine the meaning of his nickname. Here it is:

30 Degrees - Slang Meaning and Examples - FastSlang

"30 Degrees" is a slang term used to describe the act of urinating in public. The term originates from the idea that when one urinates in public, they are exposing themselves at a 30-degree angle to anyone who may be watching. This act is often seen as offensive and vulgar, as it goes against...

www.fastslang.com

There are two meanings listed, one Normal and one Offensive. Here's the Normal one

"30 Degrees" is a slang term that has been gaining popularity in recent years, particularly among young people. The term refers to a state of mind or a feeling of being completely relaxed and carefree, as if one were on a tropical island where the temperature is a perfect 30 degrees Celsius.

Hmm... this says he didn't enter Gilman until 6th grade then he later thanked his parents for that decision saying he had disagreed with it at the time.

I'm guessing we will eventually see tales of his pre-6th grade tendency toward rebellion, rule breaking, and general disrespect. His mom's very specific year book statement about his "genuine respect" toward others is particularly interesting, especially as she *may* have been hoping/seeking for this change in him as a result of the Gilman school experience.

 

[Marantz4250b]

Not sure if this has been shared, yet. Criminal complaint against LM:

https://www.pacourts.us/Storage/media/pdfs/20241209/233900-mangione12924.pdf

Police testify that the suppressor was also 3D-printed. Aligns exactly with what I expected about the nature of the weapon malfunctions.

Yes, I'm surprised that they only released a picture of the gun and not the mod as well.

 

[Parsnip]

I can't really see them sticking with an attorney from Altoona. Maybe they haven't retained him, but he's hoping they do.

JMO IMO

It’s not likely. But since he is fighting extradition, it’s useful to have a local attorney. Moo.

 

[Warwick7]

So where was he staying?

We don't even know if that's true.

 

[OneLove]

His mother has beautiful legs and seems able to wear heels so maybe her neuropathy is not so bad now. What a lovely looking family.

With respect, pain cannot be seen. Its invisible. Ask anyone with chronic pain.

 

[honestground]

YES. Lol, that didn’t occur to me. That’s got to be what he’s referring to, as it’s too clunky to fit with basic online research.

*Edited that post because it’s a much more plausible answer.

Guessing he did a lot of both

 

[citygirl]

That's right, is he a public defender? When they asked him if the family retained him, he said he wasn't going to get into that.

He was a public defender. Went private in 1984.
Someone hired him. I suspect it was his family.

 

[elisimo]

think that by the time this goes to trial, there will be one conversation: did he murder Brian Thompson. All the thought processes that led to decision don't really matter except to

And what about people shooting jury members who let off people who decide to shoot CEOs in the street?!

Where does it end?

I'm not convinced that a jury is likely to ignore evidence to reinforce a criminals messed up ideology, though.

Agreed. If the prosecution lays out a solid case, even someone who hates the insurance industry should have a hard time acquitting.