NY - UnitedHealthcare CEO Brian Thompson fatally shot in Midtown. #8 *Arrest*

[Shekkiec]

Exactly what I’ve been thinking.

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[honestground]

With respect, pain cannot be seen. Its invisible. Ask anyone with chronic pain.

100%. Even if it's once a year, someone may be able to put some heels on for a photo. As a chronic pain sufferer, I have definitely done this. I also know if I have to "pretend" I am not in pain and attend an important event, I will be rendered useless for weeks, covered in ice or heat packs and medicating to attempt to return to baseline pain levels. Photos and social media can be deceiving! Pain is definitely able to be hidden and invisible IMO and IME. Though it doesn't seem like the "manifesto" referencing his mother's pain/neuropathy is verified as actually being his, unless I missed that? So it may not be related at all to his motive. All MOO and may have missed things with all these posts.

 

[Warwick7]

Mixed reaction online to arrest of suspect​

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Mike Wendling
US digital reporter

In the days since the killing, there has been a very vocal contingent online of people who are criticising the health insurance industry or even celebrating murder suspect Luigi Mangione.

The health insurance industry – in all of its expensive complexity - is reviled by many Americans for often failing to provide fair, easy-to-understand coverage at an affordable price.

And since last week, apparent support for the suspect - which police have condemned - has spread online.

Google has shut down reviews of the McDonald's restaurant where the suspect was arrested after the page was flooded with comments; online retailers such as Amazon and Etsy have banned accounts that sell gear appearing to promote the killing; and thousands of dollars have been donated online to support Mangione's legal defence, with police officers who arrested Mangione in Pennsylvania also receiving death threats.

The words “delay”, “deny”, “depose" on shell casings found at the scene of the crime seemed to point to a motive. Police also allege Mangione wrote a document that showed “some ill will towards corporate America”.

And his online presence could give some clues as to Mangione’s personal experience with the healthcare system. One of his former roommates at a co-living and co-working community in Hawaii told CNN Mangioned had a back injury. The banner image on Mangione's X account also shows an X-ray of a spine with hardware in it.

Read more: Killing of insurance CEO reveals simmering anger at US health system

CEO shooting suspect in angry outburst as he fights extradition to New York

Luigi Mangione has been charged with the murder of Brian Thompson, who was gunned down in New York last week.

www.bbc.co.uk

Wowzers!!!

 

[Cryptic]

Waiting around well actually standing around for an hour at least ?
Then escaping by bicycle.
Doesn't it sound like that will impact his defense if the atty. tries to go for a, "Well he was debilitated from back pain, etc." ??
Omo.

Then factor in that despite his purported chronic pain, he maintains the physique of an athlete. And.... that physique looks far more "weight lifter" to me than "swimmer" or "distance runner".

 

[m00c0w]

Feels an awful lot like he is a narcissist and therefore someone needs to pay for his pain and suffering.

I don’t see him doing well in the pokey, and I think his current outrage is him realizing what his future holds and a need to blame anyone but himself for his current situation.

JMO

 

[DizzyB]

Sure, insurance sucks, maybe he had a botched surgery. Maybe it rendered him impotent. Maybe he suffered from intense pain that affected every aspect of his life. Maybe the company that Brian Thompson headed had unfair practices that should be illegal. You still don’t get to murder people.

 

[krikken]

I think this is an unusual case because for once, many of us find sympathy for the cause but of course not the act. Disliking the healthcare insurance world does not equate to wanting all its employees dead. I also don’t deny that decisions made in their boardrooms end and shorten life for millions of people. Again, that doesn’t mean they should die!!! But I think this case is generating a lot of feeling because it’s so unusual we have a murderer that we can even a tiny bit relate to - usually murders are about money, or sex, or a psychopathic enjoyment of hurting people, all things the average member of society abhors and can’t understand.

This is different because whilst he may not have represented what was good and pure in society, we all valued BT because he was a human being - someone’s dad, friend, colleague - and place such value on human life that there is almost no circumstance in which it becomes acceptable. (Self defence/defence of a loved one in a live, unmediated scenario being the only situations most of us would ever get close to seriously harming another human, let alone threatening their life.

LM does not sound like a psychopath, we haven’t heard that he liked arson or hurting animals, was a loner, etc or those early psychopathies. But something has radicalised him and that radicalisation has led to the otherisation and dark devaluation of people like BT, enabling LM to -take a life- to send a message. It’s grotesque, and as many others point out, LM had a thousand ways to counteract this societal ill as he saw it. Why? Does he enjoy power over others? Does he consider other humans lesser? (I suspect so). Did drugs or hallucinations or whatever mean he saw these things happen in his imagination lowering his moral repugnance for them actually happening?

I just have no idea what turns someone into a killer imho.

I'll take him at his word - the approximately 260 ones from after the crime. Some of that is pretty respectful to authorities and there's even a self-deprecating bit.

I don't see cause to believe that he sees himself as morally superior to others, but I'm sure that he thinks he is best poised to be the poster boy and go all-in on this since he has a good education and his interests are at the nexus of a lot of the issues (AI research, use of technology, wellness, American "decline").

But no one chose him to do this. Not even conspirators. I have some doubts whether he can read the (American) room correctly. In some ways, he's very much in a bubble, despite his travels (to sort of privileged places). I wonder if he thought sentiment was so much in his favor that he wouldn't be turned in good ol' western PA... (Oh, yeah, and the shouting might be a bad call, seems too 1968)

 

[Inthedetails]

A commentator on CNN said it could be a tactical ploy to avoid being held in NY at Rikers, which is a “controversial” facility.

That makes sense.

jmo

 

[BUF]

Live news conference on CNN with Thomas Dickey

 

[m00c0w]

A commentator on CNN said it could be a tactical ploy to avoid being held in NY at Rikers, which is a “controversial” facility.

So is he a man of the people, or a super privileged kid able to afford a private attorney that can keep him out of the jails any normal person would be subjected to?

I wonder how long before the folks celebrating this kid realize he’s just a 1%er that’s mad his cushy life got disrupted.

JMO

 

[Warwick7]

I think that by the time this goes to trial, there will be one conversation: did he murder Brian Thompson. All the thought processes that led to the decision don't really matter except to the suspect.

Or...the medical insurance field could be so brutal by that time, it will effect many.
Idk...

 

[Warwick7]

With respect, pain cannot be seen. Its invisible. Ask anyone with chronic pain.

 

[JudyBolton]

I think that by the time this goes to trial, there will be one conversation: did he murder Brian Thompson. All the thought processes that led to the decision don't really matter except to the suspect.

Yes - any other consideration such as jurors feeling against the insurance company would be jury nullification which is illegal.

 

[Baby baby Jane]

If you read his Reddit posts about his back - he claimed to be pain free after his surgery. Said he was off all meds within 8 days and was other posters with his similar condition to go for the spinal surgery. Sounds like this was more of a mental rather than physical condition. I read his mom reported him missing on Nov. 18th.

Yup, pain free until he decided to learn to surf which is no doubt contraindicated after this type of spinal surgery….

 

[Columbo Was The Best]

Then factor in that despite his purported chronic pain, he maintains the physique of an athlete. And.... that physique looks far more "weight lifter" to me than "swimmer" or "distance runner".

Have you seen his legs? To me, his lower body looks painfully thin as if he cannot exercise that part because of his physical health conditions. I noticed some sort of limp in the video outside the court in Altoona today too. This is not the physique of an athlete but of someone who is not in full control of his body movements/functions. Jmoo.

 

[mrstfs]

Agreed. If the prosecution lays out a solid case, even someone who hates the insurance industry should have a hard time acquitting.

I agree. Depsite his seemingly growing online “fan club”, most people who serve on juries are normies who respect the rule of law. I think the prosecution can make a good rebuttal that he had all the means and connections to effect meaningful change in lawful ways (politics/lobbyists/podcasts etc).

I think if there was a different suspect then things could go differently with a jury at trial. For example, someone struggling to feed their family with 3 kids, working 3 jobs, the wife died and family ended up destitute due to medical bills.

Just my opinion

 

[arielilane]

@BrianEntin

Luigi Mangione's attorney is not saying much at this press conference other than that he is pleading not guilty to the Pennsylvania charges. Not answering questions about Mangione's state of mind or outburst.


5:45 PM · Dec 10, 2024

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[jjenny]

Yup, pain free until he decided to learn to surf which is no doubt contraindicated after this type of spinal surgery….

Yes, even if the surgery was successful, he could have re-injured his back, especially if he was doing things that are contraindicated for someone with that type of surgery. If he started using substances for his back pain, these substances can trigger mental conditions.

 

[Furore]

I wonder what was on the To Do lists he mentions in his manifesto published by Ken there.

 

[arielilane]

During an extradition hearing in Blair County Courthouse in Hollidaysburg, Pa., on Tuesday, Luigi Mangione's defense attorney reportedly said his client will fight his extradition to New York, where he's facing murder and other charges in the killing of UnitedHealthcare CEO Brian Thompson.

“He is contesting it,” Thomas Dickey, Mangione's lawyer, told the judge in court, according to CNN and other news outlets.

Mangione was again denied bail and will continue to be held at Huntingdon State Correctional Institution on weapons charges stemming from his arrest in Altoona, Pa., on Monday.

A preliminary hearing for those charges has been scheduled for Dec. 23.

UnitedHealthcare CEO shooting updates: Luigi Mangione indicted for murder 'as an act of terrorism' and other charges in New York

The 26-year-old has been charged with murder in the Dec. 4 of killing of UnitedHealthcare CEO Brian Thompson.

www.yahoo.com

12/10/2024