NY - UnitedHealthcare CEO Brian Thompson fatally shot in Midtown. #8 *Arrest*

[x_files]

But do they also cut them off to the point where their mothers report them missing? Idk, @x_files . You are a thoughtful contributor. I think we are looking at the evidence differently. Jmo.

Thank you, wasn't the estrangement recently just this summer?
Perhaps, he started self-medicating (street drugs) and was ashamed. One reason some friends disappear because of a drug addiction. I often wonder if drug psychosis set him off.
I guess we wait and find out, lots of missing pieces still.

 

[Furore]

Thank you, wasn't the estrangement recently just this summer?
Perhaps, he started self-medicating (street drugs) and was ashamed. One reason some friends disappear because of a drug addiction. I often wonder if drug psychosis set him off.
I guess we wait and find out, lots of missing pieces still.

You and Parsnip are right that estrangement from family and friends is profound. Out of contact with parents, defaulting on a friend’s wedding. I wonder if this was the meds as you say creating paranoia or the sense of an almost holy mission requiring no distractions, or whether he met people who also influenced his estrangement from loved ones. I really wish to know what has been happening this year but maybe we shall never know the full story. JMO

 

[Parsnip]

Thank you, wasn't the estrangement recently just this summer?
Perhaps, he started self-medicating (street drugs) and was ashamed. One reason some friends disappear because of a drug addiction. I often wonder if drug psychosis set him off.
I guess we wait and find out, lots of missing pieces still.

I think these are worth exploring, but I tend to subscribe to the principle of parsimony. Why introduce something not in evidence? I agree, and I am certain it will all come out.

 

[otto]

Does anyone know for sure what came first the surfing accident or the surgery?
Not that it matters, of course. Just curious.

Surfing first, surgery later.
He already had weakness in his spine and should not have gone surfing. If he was intelligent, he would have known that.

 

[OneLove]

On December 14, 2012, Adam Lanza killed his own mother and then he committed a mass shooting at the Sandy Hook Elementary School in Newtown, CT.

Is LM any different from AL?

No, not to me.

moo

In the fourth stage "Preparation": materials gathered, *friends forewarned*, one has to wonder if a conversation between the 2 caused the mother to fear her son was planning to do exactly what he did indeed do. Reporting him missing, and in San Francisco at that, is... interesting and leaves open questions.

 

[Inthedetails]

Reporter on ABC Nightly News that was in court today said that LM’s lawyer has said his office has been inundated with people wanting to pay his legal bills

A fool and his money are soon parted.

jmo

 

[Jinkasaurus]

Following my previous post about the Pathway to Violence, if you read through this list of risk factors and stressors, and how a person develops a grievance, begins having violent ideation, then moves to researching and planning (also from the University of Illinois at Chicago (UIC) Department of Psychiatry), you will see that LM is not unique or special.

His case matches identically to this well-known path. I think its helpful to look at this case through this lens because while he may have had wealth and an excellent education, clearly those are not enough to prevent someone from embarking on this sequence of behaviors.

He clearly had some stressors in his life, and sadly he reacted to them in a predictable fashion. Predictable in the sense that lots of research has been done on it. Not predictable to the people who knew him prior to this.

Its very unfortunate that his family/friends were not able to connect with him while he was at an earlier stage of the path. Not a criticism of them in any way, as how would anyone predict that someone they knew could/would change in such a way? If nothing else, this case is a reminder that we all need to become educated about this so that we might be able to notice the red flags before someone is too far down the path to be stopped.

 

[NuttMegg]

Hmm... this says he didn't enter Gilman until 6th grade then he later thanked his parents for that decision saying he had disagreed with it at the time.

I'm guessing we will eventually see tales of his pre-6th grade tendency toward rebellion, rule breaking, and general disrespect. His mom's very specific year book statement about his "genuine respect" toward others is particularly interesting, especially as she *may* have been hoping/seeking for this change in him as a result of the Gilman school experience.

Or, he didn't want to leave his 5th grade friends.

 

[DizzyB]

Other than the X-ray that he himself put up, has it ever been confirmed that there was a back surgery?

 

[honestground]

In the fourth stage "Preparation": materials gathered, *friends forewarned*, one has to wonder if a conversation between the 2 caused the mother to fear her son was planning to do exactly what he did indeed do. Reporting him missing, and in San Francisco at that, is... interesting and leaves open questions.

From the article above, it sounds like he told her he was living and working in SF when he was not so when she stopped hearing from him, that was the place she reported him as missing.

 

[honestground]

Other than the X-ray that he himself put up, has it ever been confirmed that there was a back surgery?

He confirms and provides details about it in his reddit posts (verified username from Forbes article above) but I don't believe we've seen an outside source verify it, other than his HI friends? I don't know who would be able to, as no one can verify his medical hx/records without violating the law so not sure what confirmation we could have other than from him and his friends/family.

 

[Inthedetails]

I do believe he lit the powder keg. I worry about the copycats that may arise from this.

The photo of him in the holding cell might dampen enthusiasm to be a copycat.

jmo

 

[sas0807]

In the fourth stage "Preparation": materials gathered, *friends forewarned*, one has to wonder if a conversation between the 2 caused the mother to fear her son was planning to do exactly what he did indeed do. Reporting him missing, and in San Francisco at that, is... interesting and leaves open questions.

IMO it seems like he probably just stopped responding to her. In an article someone posted a few pages back, it was stated that he told his mom he was still working at TrueCar from the SF location (they don't even have an SF location anymore) so I can only assume she believed him and reported him missing to SFPD when she couldn't get a hold of him.

 

[al66pine]

Dates & Location per LM's LinkedIn Resume

https://www.linkedin.com/in/luigi-mangione/

@Seattle1 Thx for posting link to Luigi's LinkedIn Resume.

Maybe this --- his former employer, TrueCar, Inc. (truecar.com)--- has already been discussed, but I missed it.
He started there in Nov. 2020.

Interesting
- Management changes in June 2023." ... CEO Michael Darrow resigned after leading the company to four straight years of declining financial results." New CEO "laid off 24% of the company's employees."
Seems LM dodged that ^ round. Oopsie. My bad. EDIT: Per a post just below, LM was laid off in 2023.

TrueCar lays off 102 employees, taps new CEO amid restructure | TechCrunch

TrueCar, a platform where people can research new and used car prices and find local dealer savings, laid off 24% of staff amid restructure.

techcrunch.com

TrueCar - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

- Charts w NASDAQ bid & ask w volume 1 day, 5 days, 1 yr, back to 2015.

https://www.nasdaq.com/market-activity/stocks/true)

I wonder if LM held any shares of TrueCar stock. Maybe open market purchases? Maybe received options thru his employment? Maybe not worth exercising. If so, might have been jealous of UH officers.

 

[sas0807]

@Seattle1 Thx for posting link to Luigi's LinkedIn Resume.

Maybe this --- his (former?) employer, TrueCar, Inc. (truecar.com)--- has already been discussed, but I missed it.
He started there in Nov. 2020.

Interesting
- Management changes in June 2023." ... CEO Michael Darrow resigned after leading the company to four straight years of declining financial results." New CEO "laid off 24% of the company's employees."
Seems LM dodged that ^ round.

TrueCar lays off 102 employees, taps new CEO amid restructure | TechCrunch

TrueCar, a platform where people can research new and used car prices and find local dealer savings, laid off 24% of staff amid restructure.

techcrunch.com

TrueCar - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

- Charts w NASDAQ bid & ask w volume 1 day, 5 days, 1 yr, back to 2015.

https://www.nasdaq.com/market-activity/stocks/true)

I wonder if LM held any shares of TrueCar stock. Maybe open market purchases? Maybe received options thru his employment? Maybe not worth exercising.

He was laid off in 2023 according to a representative from TrueCar

 

[nhmemorymaker]

THANK YOU!
I had employers yell at me while having migraine attacks because they couldn't believe a headache could make me vomit and spin. They couldn't see my pain, but others who paid close attention could. There are lots of invisible disabilities.

yes, yes.
My severe back pain made me totally re-understand migraines.
I thought back to sufferers who I had known.. and actually, now, feel bad that I didn't really get it. Back then.

 

[10ofRods]

Or maybe the care they THINK they need.

Actually, some of the biggest critics of UHG are doctors. Doctors whose patients have been denied rather common and usual medications. This was quite easy to find with a quick google, before the assassination. Now, it seems that many professionals have taken their criticisms of UHG down, for obvious legal reasons.

I think the people who were denied anti-emetics during chemotherapy were simply trying to follow doctor's orders. At any rate, there has been reporting about how doctors have publicly posted about problems with this insurer:

Moderators Delete Reddit Thread as Doctors Torch Dead UnitedHealthcare CEO

Doctors in one of the Internet’s top medical communities have turned on the murdered UnitedHealthcare (UHC) CEO Brian Thompson in such brutal fashion that Reddit moderators deleted a thread on the killing. The moderators of r/medicine closed the thread, posted Wednesday after news broke that...

www.yahoo.com

 

[MassGuy]

On December 14, 2012, Adam Lanza killed his own mother and then he committed a mass shooting at the Sandy Hook Elementary School in Newtown, CT.

Is LM any different from AL?

No, not to me.

moo

I like to understand these guys, as many times you can see acts of violence coming from a mile away. It doesn't just come out of nowhere; there are signs.

This guy is different from every other killer I've ever followed. Incredibly bright, well educated, well off financially, very well liked, seemingly a great family life, and appears to have had a wide circle of friends. Other than that review about the Unabomber, there's really nothing concerning there.

He didn't just lose his temper and kill someone, and he didn't suddenly go crazy and do what killers like that do.

There appears to have been a rapid decline mentally (inference based on concern from family and friends about his whereabouts), but it didn't affect him to the point that he wasn't able to carry out a crime that was unprecedented in its planning and execution.

That confuses the hell out of me, and I have so many questions I want answered.

 

[OneLove]

Or, he didn't want to leave his 5th grade friends.

Would love to know if the public school there was divided at that grade level as in middle school being 4-6 & Jr high 7-9 or how those grade levels are grouped. And whether his siblings attended Gilman at that grade level or not.

 

[ilovewings]

Surfing first, surgery later.
He already had weakness in his spine and should not have gone surfing. If he was intelligent, he would have known that.

Intelligent people do a lot of stupid things- as in this case, even commit a senseless murder