NY - UnitedHealthcare CEO Brian Thompson fatally shot in Midtown. #9 *Arrest*

[Seattle1]

Also, important to remember that when his former roommate suggested reading the Unabomber Manifesto with the book club (that LM started with his remote worker friends), most people left the book club. Mangione wanted to discuss the book with others. If he didn't find them in person, he would have found them online.

^^rsbm

I wonder if LM had been expressing some radical thoughts and/or ideas during this time-- IIRC, his roommate suggested reading the Unabomber to LM as a joke!

 

[Chimera]

Luigi Mangione defense fund raises more than $55,000 in donations

Donations for the legal defense of Luigi Mangione, the 26-year-old charged with the murder of UnitedHealthcare CEO Brian Thompson, topped $55,000 Thursday, amid a wave of online support for the suspect that’s shown no signs of cresting.

www.yahoo.com

Donations for the legal defense of Luigi Mangione, the 26-year-old charged with the murder of UnitedHealthcare CEO Brian Thompson, topped $55,000 Thursday, amid a wave of online support for the suspect that’s shown no signs of cresting.
the fundraiser was created by a group calling itself “The December 4th Legal Committee,” an apparent reference to the day that Thompson was gunned down in Midtown Manhattan.

“We are not here to celebrate violence, but we do believe in the constitutional right of fair legal representation,” text on the site reads. The campaign has a goal of raising $200,000, and as of Thursday afternoon it had brought in over $56,000.
Red bolding mine.

Re. the Rbm. Sure about that ?
Hmm.
Well, it get's a bit murky when soliciting donations through their campaign.
Just an observation.

And ... oh my goodness.
You know what they say about a fool and their money ....
Omo.

 

[BUF]

Prosecutors at the Manhattan District Attorney's Office have begun presenting evidence to a grand jury as they work to secure an indictment against Mangione for the killing of Thompson, sources told ABC News.

UnitedHealthcare CEO killing: Luigi Mangione left New York City by train, not by bus, sources say

Luigi Mangione, the suspect accused of gunning down UnitedHealthcare CEO Brian Thompson, left New York City by train, and not by bus as first thought, police sources told ABC News.

6abc.com

 

[BUF]

Per John Miller CNN

LM and his mother did not have United healthcare coverage

 

[Seattle1]

There he was with pockets full of money and no where to go except MacDonalds for greasy fast food. Some of his twitter comments are about food quality and manufactured food. It seems dishonest that he emphasizes food and then survives on fast food.

^^rsbm

I don't think LM was at McDonald's for the food. Linked upthread he'd tried to check into a hotel that morning located nearby that did not have clean rooms ready. He asked if he could wait in their lobby and was told to come back after noon. Seems LM had a bad vibe about him -- nobody was comfortable with him sitting around.

 

[Sunshynn]

Suspect in CEO's killing wasn't insured by UnitedHealthcare, company says

Luigi Mangione is suspected of shooting UnitedHealthcare CEO Brian Thompson on a Manhattan street on the morning of Dec. 4, authorities have said.

www.nbcnews.com

"New York Police Chief of Detectives Joseph Kenny said Mangione’s social media and writings indicate he suffered a painful “life-altering injury" to his back.

Kenny said Mangione may have targeted Thompson because of the size of UnitedHealthcare.

“We have no indication that he was ever a client of United Healthcare, but he does make mention that it is the fifth-largest corporation in America, which would make it the largest health care organization in America,” Kenny said in an interview that aired Thursday.

“So that’s possibly why he targeted that company,” Kenny said."

 

[mrstfs]

^^rsbm

I don't think LM was at McDonald's for the food. Linked upthread he'd tried to check into a hotel that morning located nearby that did not have clean rooms ready. He asked if he could wait in their lobby and was told to come back after noon. Seems LM had a bad vibe about him -- nobody was comfortable with him sitting around.

Agreed. He was in a small town (Altoona is population 43,000) without a car on a cold winter Sunday morning. The McDonalds is less than 1/2 mile from the hotel he tried to check into. His options were limited.

 

[Chimera]

Per John Miller CNN

LM and his mother did not have United healthcare coverage

Caa-razy.
So all of the horror that Luigi M. perpetrated on the Thompson family was misguided anger ?
Or something.
Smh.
Omo.

 

[tsereteli]

Per John Miller CNN

LM and his mother did not have United healthcare coverage

He posted about having Blue Cross Blue Shield multiple times. <modsnip>

 

[concernedcitizen706]

He lost his job in June 2023. His mother was in touch with him until July 1, 2024, when Mangione cut contact. She reported him missing in Nov 2024, believing that he was working in San Francisco at TrueCar at the time.

Between June 2023, when he lost his job, and July 2024, he travelled to the East Coast for surgery, then San Francisco, Honolulu, Baltimore, then Japan, Thailand, and other parts of Asia.

I don't believe that he had a trust fund, but he clearly had access to travel money for more than a year without working.

Mangione was influenced by terrorist ideologies, and may have been further radicalized through online contacts between July and December 2024, after he cut contact with friends and family.

Where does personal profit money fit with his actions? He's probably dreaming about book and movie deals, hoping that his ideas are taught to children at school in 2500 years.

Where does personal profit fit into his motive? Well maybe somebody paid him to do it. Probably good money. The old classic hitman scenario. Of course he probably also was sold the idea that he was doing it for a good cause too. I mean we're not just talking about bubba down the street here. We're talking about the top man of one of the top companies in the country. So it's not beyond the pale to think that there were larger causes involved here.

 

[concernedcitizen706]

It's not strange. A lot of people have foreign currency accounts.

Maybe he had a lot of cash because he intended to leave the country after the shooting. Did he have flights booked ??? but, after flirting with the hostel clerk, his face was everywhere? Facial recognition would be a problem at the airport. He slipped up, but, if he hadn't, maybe he would have left the country later that day.

There he was with pockets full of money and no where to go except MacDonalds for greasy fast food. Some of his twitter comments are about food quality and manufactured food. It seems dishonest that he emphasizes food and then survives on fast food.

He has lots of pictures of him eating at McDonald's so he obviously likes the place.

 

[Chimera]

Mangione was curious about terrorist ideologies in 2023. He may have sought online contacts to discuss those ideas, and may have been radicalized online between July and December 2024, after he cut contact with friends and family.

I guess that's the question that police want to unravel through his devices like phone, laptop. Mangione claims that, as a tech whiz, he has his devices locked down tight. That may be true today, but technology moves fast. What is locked down today is dangerously accessible tomorrow (crypto currency ransoms).

<modsnip - no link>

Bbm.

Wonder whom or what he was influenced by ?
One reads about these influencers, and to some degree I expect they're doing more harm than good ?
No offence to those out there who work hard to make this a better world for everyone !
Omo.

 

[stanerd]

I’m with you Otto. I don’t think mental illness is a factor in this case. We tend to jump towards all murderers being mentally ill, but i don’t think that’s the case here. Radicalized, yes. As we’ve read, this kid was used to being at the top of his game for most of his life; with the loss of a job and perhaps physical health, I think he was searching for a way to be back on top. He knew his mind was A game, and he sought out and fell prey to internet radicals. Being a radical was a way for him to still be a leader, to “be the first”. All moo. I have been silent through this case heartbroken for a young man who made the wrong choices; jail is good for him to detox from the internet and to search for self reflection on his crime, but I wish reformatory was an option here. Assuming his parents hired his atty through one or two degrees of separation.

I don't think an insanity defense will work because of all of the planning that went into killing Brian Thompson. He probably just did it for the notoriety. A lot of these famous killers have manifestos. They want attention.

I don't care if he's reformed in jail or if he just suffers the entire time he's there, sleeping on a cold concrete slab in a 6' x 8' cell and eating moldy sandwiches 3 times a day. His victim, Brian Thompson, was cowardly shot in the back. IMO, all murderers deserve the death penalty. Take a life, get their life taken from them. It should be as simple as that. Any minor comfort that they get for the rest of their miserable lives is more than their victim will get.

 

[armchairagatha]

He was just parroting what he read in books like the Delay, Deny, Defend book. He really thinks Walmart and UHC are in the top 5 companies by market value? Lol, maybe 15-20 years ago when the DDD book came out. Even before the rise of Nvidia this year, the last decade has been dominated by the likes of Amazon, Microsoft, Meta etc of which there is no mention in his manifesto. If he really wanted to rage against corporations, he should have gone after his fellow techbro companies.

 

[concernedcitizen706]

yes, but my UHC insurance card has a more vivid blue (if it counts). also, not sure how much cctv warps the color — i think it’s likely it might be more muted irl. great observance either way!

Even if it has a blue color, wouldn't you want to look more professional to a speech to the whole company? And wear a more professional suit? The only thing I can think of, is maybe the morning convention was like a more casual affair. And then like his speech was after lunch or something and then he was going to change.

 

[Florida_marlin]

I think you nailed it. I believe, moo, that he has a grandiosity complex. Even in the “part 2”, when he mentioned finally agreeing that he may be standing on the shoulders of giants, he still couldn’t concede that Ancient discoveries were all that great (just download the knowledge), and couldn’t concede that prior generations of man might have been solving problems the HE couldn’t even conceive. Now that he has “discovered” Pythagoras’ work, it’s elementary and he holds it in contempt. He is a wannabe. Jealous of other’s accomplishments. Wanted to be first at SOMETHING. So murder a health insurance CEO. There ya go. Said so in his “manifesto”. Except, he’s far from the first coward who has sneaked up on someone and shot them in the back.

this was supposed to quote Otto’s post 937 for my comments. I don’t know why it didn’t show!

 

[Sakura2Sophia4Lucia]

Writes. And reads. He writes voraciously and reads voraciously. His mind is a vacuum cleaner and he churns up every word he reads or hears and spits it back out all shiny, new, and fascinating. He writes well. He synthesizes new information, engineers new concepts, creates worlds and worlds within his own mind and writes them very descriptively. Its my guess that he experiences very high glutamate overloads in his central nervous system as a result of his very active mind and likely gets stuck in ruminating thoughts. Mindful meditation would probably be very restorative and balancing for him.

Excellent insights. Whether consciously or unconsciously, he knew mindful meditation would be good for him. Perhaps more time meditating in the mountains of Japan would have been healing and restorative for him. Wish he had found a community of people in the mountains of Japan where he could meditate and experience more of the Zen spirituality. IMO

 

[Sakura2Sophia4Lucia]

My theory of the crime is that LM suffered some sort of psychic break which may or may not have been brought on, at least in part, by chronic back pain.

This is my theory and it's mine, and I am in no way excusing the murder. Just trying to understand it.

Agree with your theory, with the addition that his untreated Lyme disease may also have played a factor in the onset of his mental break.

I posted earlier that the median age of onset for mental illness is age 25-26. Research (link below) indicates half of all lifetime mental disorders in most studies start by the mid‐teens and three‐fourths by the mid‐20s.

Age of onset of mental disorders: A review of recent literature - PMC

To review recent epidemiological research on age‐of‐onset (AOO) of mental disorders, focusing on the WHO World Mental Health (WMH) surveys. Median and inter‐quartile range (IQR; 25th–75th percentiles) of AOO is much earlier for phobias (7–14, IQR: ...

pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

 

[concernedcitizen706]

He was just parroting what he read in books like the Delay, Deny, Defend book. He really thinks Walmart and UHC are in the top 5 companies by market value? Lol, maybe 15-20 years ago when the DDD book came out. Even before the rise of Nvidia this year, the last decade has been dominated by the likes of Amazon, Microsoft, Meta etc of which there is no mention in his manifesto. If he really wanted to rage against corporations, he should have gone after his fellow techbro companies.

So because of your comment, I just looked it up, and United healthcare is definitely up there on the list. And it's a lot higher than the next health insurance company.

 

[Tiff23fr]

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Suspect in CEO's killing wasn't insured by UnitedHealthcare, company says

Luigi Mangione is suspected of shooting UnitedHealthcare CEO Brian Thompson on a Manhattan street on the morning of Dec. 4, authorities have said.

www.nbcnews.com

"New York Police Chief of Detectives Joseph Kenny said Mangione’s social media and writings indicate he suffered a painful “life-altering injury" to his back.

Kenny said Mangione may have targeted Thompson because of the size of UnitedHealthcare.

“We have no indication that he was ever a client of United Healthcare, but he does make mention that it is the fifth-largest corporation in America, which would make it the largest health care organization in America,” Kenny said in an interview that aired Thursday.

“So that’s possibly why he targeted that company,” Kenny said."

Thanks @Sunshynn for pointing this out.
Data point: neither him / his mother was a client of UHC

From your post above: social media and writings indicate
I am still not buying the X-RAY Photo is the true “BACK story” to this situation.
But hey, “Poor Poor Luigi’s Back”
I call BS and I bet he loved the attention he got in person and online with his pity stories.

He’s an insult to people in this world with serious physical ailments.

The size of the company is about money IMO
The market reacted