NY - UnitedHealthcare CEO Brian Thompson fatally shot in Midtown. #9 *Arrest*

[DizzyB]

Thanks. Hmm.. so he could have still been on his parent’s insurance at the time of that ER visit. It wasn’t until just after he turned 26 he disappeared it seems.

So if he was on their insurance for the ER visit, would any required medical follow up visits have been covered due to it being a pre-existing event/condition, or does insurance cut you off specifically on the birthday?
Anyone have a clear explanation for those of us not in the field?

Most plans kick off a 26 year old at the end of their birth month. Some will allow you to stay till Dec 31st of that year. As to pre-existing conditions, as long as you obtain new coverage within 63 days of termination from the plan, pre-existing conditions must be covered, and the ACA mandates that you cannot be charged more than any other plan participant due to the pre-existing condition.

I would think that he was on a family plan that was connected to a family business. I also think that they could have moved him into an “employee” role to keep coverage. However, they would have needed to be in touch with him to give him ID cards that he would need when visiting the ER and doctors.

 

[Florida_marlin]

I know nothing about guns in general or 3D printed gun's in specific. Arresting officers described the weapon as having "a metal slide and a plastic handle with a metal threaded barrel."

The 3D printed gun that Mangione used/built is called the Chairmanwon V1, the moniker is chilling. Source: UnitedHealthcare Shooting Person of Interest Had 3D Printed Glock

As I understand, 3D printed parts are; handle, trigger-guard and area holding the barrel (all plastic with no moving parts). Once the frame has been printed, the metal gun parts (barrel, trigger, firing assembly, etc) are acquired and gun assembled. In this case, a 3D printed suppressor was added.

Question: Why wouldn't the gun barrel, trigger or firing assembly have identifying manufacturer numbers to track purchase/sale? Or, are these parts made on the black market?

Typically, the serial numbered “frame” of the firearm is considered the “firearm” that is regulated for manufacture and sale by US law. The firearm is question in this murder is a typical modern semi-auto pistol. If it were not a “ghost gun”, ie, “home” manufactured pistol, say a store bought Glock (which it is roughly modeled after), the part that is considered the “gun” is the frame. Typically, the barrell, slide, action parts ( trigger, sear, hammer or striker, mag catches or disconnects, springs, firing pin, etc, etc) are not serial numbered nd can be changed out at will by owner, gunsmith, shop, whatever. I can purchase replacement slides and barrels for a semi-automatic handgun without filing out form 4473 and/or background checks etc,etc.

If this is indeed a “Glock type” ghost gun, the 3d printed frame of polymer likely would not have metal rails integral to the polymer for the slide to ride upon. This would make the ghost frame not as long living and possibly reliable as a for sure manufactured frame. The reason why people only ghost the frame is that is because that’s the part you cannot buy without going through a dealer and follow g all applicable laws (form 4473, which I now call the Hunter Biden form), background check, waiting period (depending on jurisdiction), etc, etc. Everything else I can purchase w/o notifying the govt. The other reason is the barrel needs to be made of metal to contain the pressure of the explosion and to endure the friction/wear of the bullet and to provide grip to impart spin on the projectile. The slide needs to be heavy enough to adequately work the action.

I imagine you could ghost a gun with very little metal (maybe only chamber), but it would be a different design.

I’m sure not all this is entirely accurate, but should capture the gist of it.

 

[Betty P]

Why willful ignorance? He hadn’t been provided with evidence identifying LM as the NY shooter.

It’s unfortunate that people bash defense lawyers for doing their job and protecting their client’s rights. We’re not all awful!

I think we should anticipate the usual reporting errors, too. Reporters and "influencers" are in a rush to cover the story, get out the first headline, etc.

 

[Gemmie]

Bag of bullets found in Central Park not tied to CEO killing: sources | KTVU FOX 2

A person walking their dog in Central Park found a Ziploc bag of bullets in the bushes on Tuesday, but now police no longer believe they're tied to the UnitedHealthcare CEO's murder.

www.ktvu.com

NEW YORK - A person walking their dog in Central Park found a ziplock bag of bullets in the bushes on Tuesday, which police believe is tied to Luigi Mangione, the suspect accused of murdering UnitedHealthcare’s CEO, Brian Thompson.

FOX 5 NY has exclusively learned that police say the person was walking near East 81st and 85th Street when they saw the bag, noticing writing on it that mirrors markings found on shell casingsin Midtown the morning of Thompson’s shooting.

The writing references "deny defend," echoing a phrase used to describe how insurers dodge claim payouts

So he got rid of most of the bullets but not the gun. Kinda odd IMO. Unless all he figured he needed were in the gun.

 

[tlcya]

This won’t help in the future.

According to FBI rules, a tipster can’t nominate themselves to collect the reward — meaning the employee would have to be put forward by an investigating agency.

Why McDonald’s employee who reported Luigi Mangione might not get the $60K reward

The NYPD and FBI offered up a joint $60,000 reward during the manhunt for UnitedHealthcare CEO’s killer — but it wasn’t immediately clear if anyone would get the cash now an arres…

nypost.com

bummer for that employee. I have seen people (not here) suggesting violence against that tipster so their life has most certainly been adversely affected by their decision to provide the tip. and now there will be no reward apparently to offset it. Something like that may make the next tipster decide to hold their peace. MOO

 

[Janitor101]

That new member needs to read WS rules.

Kenny told CBS New York that the motive might have been related to an accident that sent Mangione to an emergency room on July 4, 2023.

Question: When did Luigi turn 26?

Fingerprints found on evidence match those of CEO killing suspect, NYPD says

Mangione contested his extradition at a court hearing Tuesday.

ny1.com

Strange. An accident on July 4, 2023? That would have been at the time of his alleged back surgery!

 

[MassGuy]

So he got rid of most of the bullets but not the gun. Kinda odd IMO. Unless all he figured he needed were in the gun.

I don’t believe this report. It makes no sense at all. He was clearly able to flee the city with his gun and ammunition, and there’s no reason for him to have dumped any.

 

[x_files]

Insurance companies shouldn’t be in a position to dictate what type of care or procedures are necessary for a patient’s wellbeing. Jmo

YES! Only a medical doctor should decide that!

 

[tlcya]

That's not a link. No ".com" (or whatever) at the end. Do you have the entire link you can post? Thanks.

not the OP but found this when googling for case updates
Central Park dogwalker finds bag of bullets tied to CEO killing | Exclusive

Central Park dogwalker finds bag of bullets tied to CEO killing | Exclusive​

 

[Chimera]

Agree. IMO, he is likely mentally ill. There are so many better ways to bring attention to our massive health care problems in the US. LM was smart and had resources to potentially bring this issue to light in a positive way where together people could address the issue and find solutions. Instead, his actions suggest that he wasn't of his right mind.

Bbm.
Agreed 100 % with the bolded.

Whether severely or not as much, mental illness is no excuse for murder.
Even if not in his right mind, there are many people out there who would fall into this category, and also those with painful debilitating physical maladies -- yet they haven't harmed a fly ?
He and his atty. may make an attempt to declare LM mentally ill and thus unaware of what he was doing, but the evidence is very much in the prosecutor's favor, for planned and premeditated actions showing LM was aware what he was doing was wrong and of the consequences.
If he was that ill, his family would've had him institutionalized for his own safety.
Omo.

I posted this in the last thread, but I think its worth sharing again.

As a society, we find it shocking that a wealthy, highly educated, intelligent, attractive, young white man, with no apparent history of violence, would meticulously plan and carry out a brutal assassination. But if his actions are viewed through the lens of the Pathway to Violence, LM is not unique or special in any way.

I don't believe LM should be elevated above other criminals whose acts began with a grievance and ended in a planned, violent attack. That is his cohort now; he is not exceptional among those peers. He is essentially a home-grown terrorist who happens to espouse a philosophy that seems more palatable (to some) than that of others like him.

We may never have a satisfying answer as to what "flipped the switch" in his mind, allowing his possibly very legitimate grievances to morph into violent ideation and progressing from there.

There may have been mental illness issues in the mix, but it seems like a rather fast onset if that is the case (based on what we have heard so far from friends who knew him).

His nomadic lifestyle provided a protective bubble for the perseveration on his grievances to fester. In terms of distancing from friends and family in the months leading to the attack, I wonder if this was due to him slowly becoming consumed with violent ideation and planning and he didn't want anyone around to notice.


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source: University of Illinois at Chicago (UIC) Department of Psychiatry

Bbm.
Agreed.
Esp. the bolded.

All good points and informative, thanks.
Omo.

 

[rsteen]

I get the feeling that LM is more akin to an angry incel like Elliot Rodger than Ted Kaczynski. He just happened to pick a target that a lot of folks feel animosity towards, which is the only thing making him popular versus someone like the sheriff that shot the judge in Kentucky. In fact, I’m pretty sure a lot of the folks rooting for LM were aghast at a sitting sheriff shooting a judge - even though the situations aren’t all that different when it comes down to brass tacks. Feel morally outraged? Kill the person! Public support of the victim should apparently determine justifiableness, according to some.

I don't think that quite fits - the usual incel/angry young man MO is quite undirected. ER would have killed any young woman he came across, the Toronto van attacker killed pedestrians who happened to be in that specific street, etc. LM targeted a specific individual whom he apparently had no personal grudge against. The unusual combination of neither random nor personal is what is leading people to see him as a Robin Hood/Batman type vigilante figure IMO.

 

[x_files]

Seriously. I don't have words. He could have said tons of other things. Very poor choice to make these kinds of comments. Displaying insensitivity and zero emotional intelligence. IMO

My take the CEO is out of touch with reality. He lives in a wealthy bubble, not amongst the common man.
If he listened he would know.

 

[Herat]

DBM

 

[estone28]

Typically, the serial numbered “frame” of the firearm is considered the “firearm” that is regulated for manufacture and sale by US law. The firearm is question in this murder is a typical modern semi-auto pistol. If it were not a “ghost gun”, ie, “home” manufactured pistol, say a store bought Glock (which it is roughly modeled after), the part that is considered the “gun” is the frame. Typically, the barrell, slide, action parts ( trigger, sear, hammer or striker, mag catches or disconnects, springs, firing pin, etc, etc) are not serial numbered nd can be changed out at will by owner, gunsmith, shop, whatever. I can purchase replacement slides and barrels for a semi-automatic handgun without filing out form 4473 and/or background checks etc,etc.

If this is indeed a “Glock type” ghost gun, the 3d printed frame of polymer likely would not have metal rails integral to the polymer for the slide to ride upon. This would make the ghost frame not as long living and possibly reliable as a for sure manufactured frame. The reason why people only ghost the frame is that is because that’s the part you cannot buy without going through a dealer and follow g all applicable laws (form 4473, which I now call the Hunter Biden form), background check, waiting period (depending on jurisdiction), etc, etc. Everything else I can purchase w/o notifying the govt. The other reason is the barrel needs to be made of metal to contain the pressure of the explosion and to endure the friction/wear of the bullet and to provide grip to impart spin on the projectile. The slide needs to be heavy enough to adequately work the action.

I imagine you could ghost a gun with very little metal (maybe only chamber), but it would be a different design.

I’m sure not all this is entirely accurate, but should capture the gist of it.

Not to be picky, but the part of a gun that is tracked, regulated and all the rest is the "receiver." It is both called this and important because it houses or receives the firing mechanism such as the bolt, bolt carrier, firing pin, strike, breechblock etc. etc.

 

[CityKid]

So he got rid of most of the bullets but not the gun. Kinda odd IMO. Unless all he figured he needed were in the gun.

It's also strange that it's not reported out of NYC, but picked up by Fox 5 here. No one from here would say "at East 81st and 85th Street" as if they intersect.

 

[mrstfs]

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NY - UnitedHealthcare CEO Brian Thompson fatally shot in Midtown. #8 *Arrest*

It’s upsetting that locals in Altoona are getting threats over turning LM in. I grew up in a small town west of Altoona. I’ve watched that region experience many hardships due to public policy failures and greed over the decades. Yet never heard about anyone resorting to murder to make their point. I’m not surprised they called LE on him. Some spoiled rich kid living in HI decided to become a vigilante for a cause that he doesn’t even know enough about (per his manifesto) to go on Rogan and discuss. MOO

 

[Tippy Lynn]

There is an awful lot of fraud out there in the realm of medicine. There is justifiable reason to have algorithms of care, of best practice, of the need for real documentation to shut down the really blatant schemes out there.

Medicare has a huge fraud division and it needs more help. Healthcare insurances are fulfilling that fraud screen at this time for non-governmental health insurance. I think they have the right to ask for documentation and verification of illness and treatments, to stop fake claims and treatments that are harmful to patients.

I agree that proper documentation should be required. However, I don’t believe providers and patients need to jump through endless hoops to get a patients needs covered. The current system clearly isn’t working.

 

[ttjo]

DBM

 

[Florida_marlin]

Not to be picky, but the part of a gun that is tracked, regulated and all the rest is the "receiver." It is both called this and important because it houses or receives the firing mechanism such as the bolt, bolt carrier, firing pin, strike, breechblock etc. etc.

Yep, that is correct

 

[rsteen]

There is an awful lot of fraud an quackery out there in the realm of medicine. There is justifiable reason to have algorithms of care, of best practice, of the need for real documentation to shut down the really blatant schemes out there.

The watchdog systems that imposed bans on self-referrals and fraulent drugs or treatments have been systematically dis-assembled by lobby and political influence. Do not underestimate the culpability of the medical industry and it's $$$$$ influence on the politicians that have bypassed regulations that would help stop the abuse.

Medicare has a huge fraud division and it needs more help. Healthcare insurances are fulfilling that fraud screen at this time for non-governmental health insurance. I think they have the right to ask for documentation and verification of illness and treatments, to stop fake claims and treatments that are harmful to patients.

Fraud checks being done by entities which have a financial incentive to deny legitimate claims is a conflict of interest though. There should be audits by an independent board of medical specialists.