NY - UnitedHealthcare CEO Brian Thompson fatally shot in Midtown. #9 *Arrest*

[angelainwi]

My friend was telling me last night that after her cousin had surgery he totally turned into a different person. It finally took seeing a psychiatrist, getting on the right meds and therapy to get back to his normal self. I guess this is a thing. It is called Postoperative Delirium and it can last weeks and even months.

 

[BrianJohnson]

I know someone with the same spinal injuries he has. Mental health issues 100% crept in. Look how active he was on the internet until the last year.

But in the same last year he took trips to Japan and Thailand, I don’t deny he must have felt some pain but it not like he was confined to a wheelchair etc

 

[Friday Fan]

It looks like a flipper (fake teeth aka veneers).

You can buy them on Amazon at several price points. Very common in the influencer crowd here in SoCal.

I think it's his real teeth. That image is 5 years old from 2019.

I googled his image. His teeth were like this in HS. I saw one pic where he could have been 10 or younger. He didn't have the eyebrows, but he had the teeth! Looks like he was gonna need some orthodontic work down the road back then.

It was from the London Times, which is a reputable source.

The Maryland cul-de-sac where Luigi Mangione grew up

CEO shooting: 26-year-old Luigi Mangione has been charged with murder in a case that has gripped the nation and stunned his former neighbours

www.thetimes.com

Since he was only 22 year old when that pic was taken, I really can't imagine him "losing his teeth" at such a young age. Especially since his family had the means to afford dental care. I think he just had lots of ortho work.

 

[Elliot_Alderson]

But in the same last year he took trips to Japan and Thailand, I don’t deny he must have felt some pain but it not like he was confined to a wheelchair etc

I'm not saying he was confined to a wheelchair. Just that if you have known anyone with debilitating back pain that has had a spinal fusion and gotten zero relief from that and any other options, it takes it's toll on one's mental well being. JMO

 

[10ofRods]

Those could be 12 + hour flights (Japan) and up to 20 + hour flights to Thailand. That's a long time for someone in excruciating back pain to sit on an airplane.

I think I already posted that one of the few things I can do comfortably is sit. Standing is the worst and walking has gotten increasingly difficult (due to how my spine eventually fused after the break).

I take lumbar support everywhere, but airline seats are comfy compared to being in the kitchen, cooking (which is my favorite hobby - so of course I do it). I have to sit down at intervals, whatever I'm doing. Walking is the second worst, as spondy affects one's pelvis and one's gait. I get the aisle seat, because I do have to pace around once in a while, especially if seats have to be in the upright position (I don't recline if people behind me are eating!)

In my case, it's not migraine level pain, just for reference.

 

[soap mama]

https://www.cnn.com/2024/12/11/us/unitedhealthcare-ceo-brian-thompson-shooter-wednesday/index.html

 

[MassGuy]

What to expect next from Mangione's extradition fight​

Danny Cevallos
Luigi Mangione is entitled under the Extradition Act to challenge his detention by filing a petition for habeas corpus. The judge gave his defense team two weeks to do so.

He will lose. But he is entitled to challenge his detention. (Once he loses, he is entitled to appeal. However, if he’s transferred before the appeal is completed, then it’s moot.)

Mangione cannot be extradited before that petition is filed, even if his lawyers wait the full two weeks to do so. The legality of extradition — a constitutionally mandated process — must be challenged in the asylum state (Pennsylvania in this case) before being transferred to the demanding state (New York).

None of the New York evidence matters in the extradition hearings; the hearings are not probable cause determinations. A Pennsylvania court is merely obligated to make sure that the four key requirements of the Extradition Act have been satisfied: (1) Is Mangione the suspect New York wants? (2) Has New York charged him? (3) Is their paperwork in order?; and (4) Was Mangione in New York at the time of the homicide?

Mangione could conceivably contest that he was in New York, but the rules of evidence are relaxed, so the court might just call an officer who says he’s reviewed evidence showing that the suspect was in New York at the time of the CEO’s murder.

UnitedHealthcare CEO shooting suspect live updates: Gun on suspect matches shell casings found at NYC crime scene

Alleged gunman in UnitedHealthcare CEO shooting posted about 'devastating' back condition online

www.nbcnews.com

 

[soap mama]

Gun found on suspect in killing of UnitedHealthcare CEO matches shell casings at scene, police say.​

https://www.wdhn.com/news/national/ap-us-news/ap-man-accused-of-killing-unitedhealthcares-ceo-shouts-on-way-into-courthouse-and-fights-extradition/

 

[Tiff23fr]

Sharing a Time Line anyone on WS can copy and add to (within and on WS). I have added an observation at the bottom of the post which came as a result of putting the time line together.

Mangione graduated from the University of Pennsylvania in 2020, a Penn spokesperson confirmed to CBS News. He received a Master of Science in engineering with a major in computer and information science, and a Bachelor of Science in engineering, majoring in computer science with a minor in mathematics, the spokesperson confirmed.

What we know about Luigi Mangione, suspect charged in UnitedHealthcare CEO's killing

From January to June 2022, Mangione lived at Surfbreak, a shared penthouse catering to remote workers at the edge of Honolulu tourist mecca Waikiki.

Inside Luigi Mangione's life as a charming tech grad in Hawaii

After Penn he won a job in late 2020 as a developer at TrueCar, a car resale site based in Santa Monica, California, where he worked for the next couple of years.

Then something changed. In 2023 he was laid off, in a year in which TrueCar cut more than 100 workers. In March that year he stopped posting on X for nine months.

Why Luigi Mangione Went Dark in 2023 and Returned Transformed

Kenny told CBS New York that the motive might have been related to an accident that sent Mangione to an emergency room on July 4, 2023.

Fingerprints found on evidence match those of CEO killing suspect, NYPD says

Mangione contested his extradition at a court hearing Tuesday.

ny1.com

2024

The Ivy league tech graduate charged with murdering UnitedHealthcare chief executive Brian Thompson in Manhattan made multiple visits to Japan earlier this year, according to those who spoke with the alleged gunman.

During one of his visits on Feb. 25, the suspect, Luigi Mangione, now 26, entered a restaurant in Tokyo where he sat at the counter, according to Obara Jun, a Japanese poker player who saw Mangione struggle with ordering in the restaurant.

CEO shooting suspect 'loved Japanese culture' but critiqued its society

Luigi Mangione, 26, who is charged with murdering Brian Thompson, made multiple visits to the country this year, according to those who spoke with him.

www.nbcnews.com

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An Observation: He may have been in a coverage gap from the time he was laid off until the Accident requiring the ER visit.

Now he has to pay the bills….

 

[OneLove]

Wish y’all could sit with me for one day as I do Inpatient reviews.. then you might understand why there’s so many denials on the inpatient side. A four day inpatient stay for constipation (as one example) is NOT medically necessary. Or a dislocated shoulder that’s reduced in the ER but the facility submits it for inpatient. This is all day/ everyday. And it doesn’t mean the facility isn’t going to get paid for anything.
What’s the next punk gonna go after? …hospitals for delaying care? for discharging someone too early? Medical practices for refusing to continue providing care to a non compliant patient? Pharmacists for refusing to dispense medications when the Rx is called in wrong by the MD office?

RIP Brian Thompson. You didn’t deserve this.

Let's just take "discharging patients too early". My 80 yr old g'mother had a cancerous lung removed, was discharged 2 days later as soon as they removed her drains when they hadn't even been able to raise her hospital bed yet so she could get a drink of water. Couldn't sit up, couldn't walk, couldn't go to the bathroom. Couldn't eat, certainly couldn't prepare food. She had no family who could be there. I begged them not to do this. Deaf ears. She was realtor of the year for the whole state the year before and had been state chair of her political party, hosted in DC by the newly elected vp. If ever there was a "health insurance crime", this was one. In shock because this dismissal was only announced same day as, we had no time to find her help or even adequate transport to get her home or to get me across country to her. Don't try to tell me this doesn't happen; I lived it. It was death by insurance.

 

[MelmothTheLost]

I'm not saying he was confined to a wheelchair. Just that if you have known anyone with debilitating back pain that has had a spinal fusion and gotten zero relief from that and any other options it takes it's toll on one's mental well being. JMO

Someone posted a link earlier, maybe on an earlier thread, to an academic paper which reported that the outcomes for patients undergoing lower back surgery is one-third improved, one-third no better and no worse and one-third worse off. It did not indicate, however, whether there was any way of determining which patients were likely to have a positive outcome.

 

[CrimeDawg123]

Someone waaaay upstream posted a thought on why they believed him to be neither left or right leaning, but in fact, more men's rights or possibly anti women. I'll see if I can find it. Or, maybe the original poster will see this and repost.

He seems to be well-read, curious, and a little all over the place with his views. I applaud this (not the murder, obviously). Such is the privilege of youth.

 

[boater55]

Wish y’all could sit with me for one day as I do Inpatient reviews.. then you might understand why there’s so many denials on the inpatient side. A four day inpatient stay for constipation (as one example) is NOT medically necessary. Or a dislocated shoulder that’s reduced in the ER but the facility submits it for inpatient. This is all day/ everyday. And it doesn’t mean the facility isn’t going to get paid for anything.
What’s the next punk gonna go after? …hospitals for delaying care? for discharging someone too early? Medical practices for refusing to continue providing care to a non compliant patient? Pharmacists for refusing to dispense medications when the Rx is called in wrong by the MD office?

RIP Brian Thompson. You didn’t deserve this.

I agree! Half the people posting on social media are including co pays, deductibles and 20% owed on certain things as “denials”@@@. Sure we may not like the system but that’s how your policy reads.

 

[mrstfs]

Extremely ironic': Suspect in UnitedHealthcare CEO slaying played video game killer, friend recalls​

Suspect in UnitedHealthcare CEO slaying played video game killer, friend recalls

A man who attended college with Luigi Mangione and was a member of the same Discord group said he was shocked when news broke on social media that Mangione had been taken into police custody.

www.nbcnews.com

 

[arielilane]

Posted on X Dec. 10.

@ShannonLillyTV

We’re being met with some hostility as we report live from the Gilman School this morning.

Luigi Mangione graduated at the top of his class from this school in 2016. He is now charged in the murder of United Healthcare CEO Brian Thompson.

His family has deep roots in Maryland

https://twitter.com/x/status/1866500607244439869

 

[Synergizer Bunny]

I read he visited Japan 'more than once' early this year and planned to return again in May. He also visited Thailand!

I read upstream that the owners of the apartment that he was renting in Honolulu happened to be in Japan. They said that they did not know who was renting their apartment as it was rented out using a management company. Is it just a coincidence that LM visited Japan??

JMO.

 

[Jinkasaurus]

More thoughts.... as the hours since being captured tick by, I wonder if LM feels like it was worth it. How deeply committed is he to his cause? While he may have felt extremely passionate about it up until the shooting, being on the run, once the adrenaline wore off, probably wasn't all it was cracked up to be.

And now, he's had over two days in a small concrete room (minus court appearances)... things start to change. Minutes can feel like hours, hours can feel like days. He doesn't have any choice about what food he gets to eat, or when. He has a very thin mattress to sleep on. Someone else decides when bedtime is and what time he gets up in the morning. He is being watched while he uses the toilet. How does this feel to him?

If we take his beliefs (what we know of them) to their logical conclusion, he decided that giving up all of his freedom and comfort, perhaps for decades if not for life, was worth the cause of beginning to dismantle the for-profit health insurance industry. Will he find that to be something he can hold on to? Will his passion and anger, knowing many people share his grievances, carry him through the long, slow hours of confinement?

 

[CrimeDawg123]

Posted on X Dec. 10.

@ShannonLillyTV

We’re being met with some hostility as we report live from the Gilman School this morning.

Luigi Mangione graduated at the top of his class from this school in 2016. He is now charged in the murder of United Healthcare CEO Brian Thompson.

His family has deep roots in Maryland

https://twitter.com/x/status/1866500607244439869

I am surprised that an older guy like that would do something so juvenile.

 

[Tortoise]

Here's the full manifesto.

"To the Feds, I'll keep this short, because I do respect what you do for our country. To save you a lengthy investigation, I state plainly that I wasn't working with anyone.

"This was fairly trivial: some elementary social engineering, basic CAD, a lot of patience.

"The spiral notebook, if present, has some straggling notes and To Do lists that illuminate the gist of it. My tech is pretty locked down because I work in engineering so probably not much info there.

"I do apologize for any strife of traumas but it had to be done.

"Frankly, these parasites simply had it coming. A reminder: the US has the #1 most expensive healthcare system in the world, yet we rank roughly #42 in life expectancy.

"United is the [indecipherable] largest company in the US by market cap, behind only Apple, Google, Walmart. It has grown and grown, but [h]as our life expectancy?

"No the reality is, these [indecipherable] have simply gotten too powerful, and they continue to abuse our country for immense profit because the American public has allowed them to get away with it.

"Obviously the problem is more complex, but I do not have space, and frankly I do not pretend to be the most qualified person to lay out the full argument. But many have illuminated the corruption and greed (e.g.: Rosenthal, Moore), decades ago and the problems simply remain.

"It is not an issue of awareness at this point, but clearly power games at play. Evidently I am the first to face it with such brutal honesty."

Luigi Mangione manifesto: Read reported document in full

Luigi Mangione's full manifesto was released by journalist Ken Klippenstein and later confirmed to be legitimate by police.

www.newsweek.com

"No the reality is, these [indecipherable] have simply gotten too powerful, and they continue to abuse our country for immense profit because the American public has allowed them to get away with it."

the missing word in this line is mafiosa

According to a glimpse of the NYPD intelligence analysis report in this video

 

[Synergizer Bunny]

...Did LM ever think that BT was a son? brother? husband? father? uncle? an innocent man?

Apparently, just a "bean counter" for a major health insurer is as far as LM's thinking got. He also did not think about the devastation that this would have on his own family...or did he?

JMO.