NY - UnitedHealthcare CEO Brian Thompson fatally shot in Midtown. #9 *Arrest*

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This article details the True Car restructuring. IMO stressful times.
 
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Obviously, I don't know how old you are, or where you were educated on the early years. But I'm up there, starting school on the mid 50s, but I didn't experience any of the "forcing " that others are stating. I was always pretty ambi, but writing was always lefty. no one ever tried to change me.
I had the same experience as you as a lefty. I was curious about steak etiquette… so I checked out a few articles and it seems that dominant hand rules over left vs.right, at least according to this article. Etiquette Matters When Cutting Steak With A Fork And Knife - Tasting Table
 
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LM’s attorney, Dickey, on CNN saying he hasn’t seen any evidence so can’t comment but the evidence will be challenged and his client will “definitely plead not guilty.”

How is he so certain about a NG plea when he hasn’t seen any evidence? I can’t stand when attorneys gaslight people. Like the Shaggy song “It Wasn’t Me…”
He’s a defense attorney. That’s what they do. I kinda like the guy. Smart, confident but regular. His answer to the ever present stupid question how is he doing was perfect. Calmly said..use your imagination. I think he has reciprocity in NY. Maybe he will stay on. Oh,and another thing. When asked if this was his biggest case he said, all my cases are , DUI’s to whatever. All important. Paraphrasing. MOO.
 
  • #484
Agreed. Ridiculous and so wrong.By all accounts he came from a loving family. They had money but lived modestly. Very low key people. Unlike how they are presented in the news.
Saw the local news in front of Gilman School. It was rather funny. A maintenance man ran a leaf blower behind them so they had to shut it down. He graduated 8 years ago!Kudos to the maintenance man. JMO.

They had to shut down the school because of the way he was leaf blowing?
 
  • #485
They had to shut down the school because of the way he was leaf blowing?
Reporters are showing up his high school, long after he completed high school and 2 university degrees, to stage a report about the shooter. It's theatre, and disruptive to students.

The maintenance man fired up his leaf blower and stood behind the reporter until she shut it down.
 
  • #486
A little more information on July 4, 2023.

New York Police Department Chief of Detectives Joseph Kenny said Luigi Mangione, the 26-year-old accused of killing UnitedHealthcare CEO Brian Thompson, may have filed an insurance claim for back pain last year.
“So we’re looking into whether or not the insurance industry either denied a claim from him or didn’t help him out to the fullest extent.”

He added that investigators believe Mangione’s injury may have been sustained on July 4, 2023.

 
  • #487
He appears to comment about how he was vastly improved after the surgery after a week and was doing well. Poster Jamie737, above, helpfully mentions that even early recovery from this complex and painful surgery takes 6-8 weeks.

He seems to be to be the impatient type, who won't follow orders for rest or rehab, but jumps ahead into activities without proper caution. I would wonder if he actually did some damage or more injury by prematurely returning to activities. All coached by his reliance on posting boards about his disease.
As I understand it, you are given steroids after this type of surgery and that gives you a false sense of healing. I recall my brother being warned by his surgeon that even though he may have felt better, he was not. He was told the steroids would make him think he was better and ready for activity but he could do himself harm if he did not restrain himself and abide by the recovery protocol.
 
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Reward $ Taxable?

A poster asked whether a reward --- (like the FBI's offer to pay $$$ for providing info leading to the arrest & conviction of the individual responsible for the crime <---my paraphrasing) --- is taxable.

Per irs.gov, imo (not a CPA or accountant, not an enrolled agent, but have occasion to peruse irs publications, U.S. Master Tax Guide, along w similar fun reads), those reward $$$ are subject to fed. income tax.

Specifically: “Rewards. If you receive a reward for providing information, include it in your income.”

^ Page 77/ e-page 79 of IRS “Tax Guide for Individuals” https://www.irs.gov/pub/irs-pdf/p17.pdf.
^ Same at IRS “Publication 525.Taxable and Nontaxable Income.”
https://www.irs.gov/pub/irs-pdf/p525.pdf. Page32.

I hope those providing info leading to arrest & conviction enjoy the $$$. :) [eta: whether or not included on their 1040's]
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BTW, ICYMI, for anyone filing a Fed Income tax return, if you’re wondering about the following:

“Bribes. If you receive a bribe, include it in your income.” Page 74/ e-page 76 of Pub. 17.

“Illegal activities. Income from illegal activities, such as money from dealing illegal drugs, must be included in your income on Schedule 1 (Form 1040), line 8z, or on Schedule C (Form 1040) if from your self-employment activity.” Page 75/ e-page 77.

“Stolen property. If you steal property, you must report its fair market value in your income in the year you steal it unless you return it to its rightful owner in the same year.” Page 77/e-page 79.
Not kidding. Same in Pub. 525.

Tony Soprano, are you paying attention?
 
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A little more information on July 4, 2023.

New York Police Department Chief of Detectives Joseph Kenny said Luigi Mangione, the 26-year-old accused of killing UnitedHealthcare CEO Brian Thompson, may have filed an insurance claim for back pain last year.
“So we’re looking into whether or not the insurance industry either denied a claim from him or didn’t help him out to the fullest extent.”

He added that investigators believe Mangione’s injury may have been sustained on July 4, 2023.

Can a legal expert please explain why LE would be looking into this?

“So we’re looking into whether or not the insurance industry either denied a claim from him or didn’t help him out to the fullest extent.”
 
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As I understand it, you are given steroids after this type of surgery and that gives you a false sense of healing. I recall my brother being warned by his surgeon that even though he may have felt better, he was not. He was told the steroids would make him think he was better and ready for activity but he could do himself harm if he did not restrain himself and abide by the recovery protocol.
Wouldn't they have worn off by the first week? You don't want to get too high of dose because it can slow healing. I believe it's to control the initial inflammation and swelling. I think I got that with my knee. I think it lasted about three days.
 
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A little more information on July 4, 2023.

New York Police Department Chief of Detectives Joseph Kenny said Luigi Mangione, the 26-year-old accused of killing UnitedHealthcare CEO Brian Thompson, may have filed an insurance claim for back pain last year.
“So we’re looking into whether or not the insurance industry either denied a claim from him or didn’t help him out to the fullest extent.”

He added that investigators believe Mangione’s injury may have been sustained on July 4, 2023.

They're not just guessing here; I definitely believe they have information to this effect. It'll be interesting to learn the specifics, and whether it was UHC or another company.
 
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Can a legal expert please explain why LE would be looking into this?

“So we’re looking into whether or not the insurance industry either denied a claim from him or didn’t help him out to the fullest extent.”
Not a legal expert, but it would go to motive.

It's not something that has to be proven in court, but juries like to know that answer.
 
  • #493
Sadly, this case is going to change nothing in the system. The CEOs are doubling down on security as if that is the issue. They are paid big bucks to think like this? Baffling.
I would be rethinking my whole belief system if i were them. Taking a cold, hard look at what one represents can be ego destroying so maybe thats why they dont. I would not be able to look at myself in the mirror if even 1 person died because i chose to deny care in order to line my pockets. (i am not condoning murder. However i do believe that people would not be as outraged about this if LM had murdered someone who was on the fringes of society vs an upper middle class white man) IMHO
 
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Not a legal expert, but it would go to motive.

It's not something that has to be proven in court, but juries like to know that answer.
I don't live in the USA, so I'm unclear on this point ... but I understand that some states require that the prosecution presents a motive during murder trial, others do not.

If motive is not required (not to be proven, but to be presented) in New York, then everything related to the insurance industry can be excluded from the murder trial.
 
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Can a legal expert please explain why LE would be looking into this?

“So we’re looking into whether or not the insurance industry either denied a claim from him or didn’t help him out to the fullest extent.”

Possibly for reasons in regards to motive ?
Anyone else want to chime in ?

Eta : Was already answered.
Omo.
 
  • #496
I suppose there will be a number of preliminary arguments about the insurance industry and motive, so investigators do need the facts.

If there's an insurance claim, all medical records have been handed over to the insurance company, so no need to wait for medical records from the defence.
 
  • #497
Not a legal expert, but it would go to motive.

It's not something that has to be proven in court, but juries like to know that answer.
This ^^^

@MassGuy said it better than I could. :)
Imo.
 
  • #498
The prison that LM is being housed in is having a rollicking good time, yelling out the windows to the press.Banfield is literally asking them questions and they are yelling out the answers. No, Luigi does not have TV in his single cell, according to the yellers. Food sucks too.
 
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Though Luigi Mangione comes from a wealthy and prominent family, anonymous online donors have chipped in thousands of dollars to fund his legal defense against charges connected to the killing of UnitedHealthcare CEO Brian Thompson.

One fundraiser on the Christian-based free speech fundraising platform GiveSendGo had raised more than $31,000 as of Wednesday afternoon on the way to a $200,000 goal. The New Jersey-based fund was created by a newly-formed "December 4th Legal Committee," possibly referencing
the date of the shooting.


Amazing, but not necessarily in a good way.
Do people not understand how this looks ?
Imo.
 
  • #500
Not a legal expert, but it would go to motive.

It's not something that has to be proven in court, but juries like to know that answer.
I don’t even see the back pain as a plausible motive at this point. We don’t have evidence of a “John Q” situation. I think LM went after someone he believed to be a symbol of corruption and greed. Another person posted the pathway to violence graphic a few times. I think the back pain may have been an early, early antecedent, but it got swallowed up in his thought disorder and radicalization.
 
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