NY - UnitedHealthcare CEO Brian Thompson fatally shot in Midtown NYC, 4 Dec 2024 #12 *Arrest*

[arielilane]

Kaplan points out that when things were being taken out of the backpack, and contraband was being seperated personal items, nothing was written down.

Burns does not recall what time the photos were taken.

Burns concedes that he skimmed some of the pages in the red notebook while taking photos because he was curious, but he did not have time to process or read every page. He also would look at the pages to ensure he didn't duplicate his photography.

Kaplan: It's safe to say you weren't taking these pictures for the forgery case were you? You were taking these photos for the NY Shooter case?


Kaplan is asking if Burns provided the photos to the FBI and HSI (he did), and asks if it had anything to do with the PA forgery case. Burns confirms it did not.

No further questions, Seidemann is redirecting.


Kaplan is doing a re-cross, and he confirmed again that Wasser did not write anything down when going through the bag.

(Burns photographed the evidence almost 3 hours later, and I believe that's the point Kaplan was making, he noted that he had labeled or "stickered" evidence envelopes).

Witness is dismissed and the laywers approach the bench for scheduling.

Court is adjourned until tomorrow at 9:30AM.

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[mrC]

acording to the defence 11 minutes of bodycam footage are missing Luigi Mangione Hearing: When The Camera Stopped Rolling, The Plot Thickened

 

[arielilane]

Day 7 of testimony (Day 8 in court) of the Luigi Mangione suppression hearing. It’s frigid in NYC and the press outside is dwindling…stay here & @LAmag for live coverage..

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Luigi Mangione entered the courtroom, greeted by a smiling Karen Agnifilo. He's wearing his navy suit with a very light pink shirt. Marc Agnifilo and Jacob Kaplan are also seated at the defense table, but Mangione is leaning towards Karen. Pool Photographers do their thing.

The laywers approached the bench, but ADA Joel Seidemann isn't here yet...

Seidmann just entered, and apologized.

State's first witness is Officer Samuel McCoy from the Altoona PD, who is in his full uniform, and what looks to be a bullet proof vest. He previously delivered pizza at Papa John's and also served in the National Guard prior to working for Altoona PD.

McCoy was working as a field training officer on December 9, 2024.


McCoy stated he generally monitors the radio when he is working. He did not hear the 911 dispatch, as he was dealing with someone in custody.

He says he saw Hanelly exiting the station "wearing his vest," and that doesn't normally happen (the vest). That means "something serious is happening"

They had a brief conversation, and Hanelly just told him that it had to do with a "homicide suspect." Hanelly may have said "NY shooter."

State asks what kind of knowledge McCoy had about the NY Shooter.

"Absolutely NONE"



McCoy said he decided to respond to the scene, as it's common to do so if something appears to be serious in nature.


9:42AM McDonald's BWC footage, we hear Detweiler say, "McCoy" 3x.

State: What two questions did you ask when you arrived?

McCoy: I asked if he had any weapons on him

State: did he say he had a knife on him

McCoy: No

State: What else did you ask him

McCoy explains he asked if the other officers had patted him down.


9:43AM. McCoy explains that he moved Mangione's property when he approached- the laptop etc- he was taking precautionary measures and wanted his stuff to be all in one place (my paraphrase)

McCoy is on BWC asking Mangione "if he knows what all this nonsense is about"

He tells the state he wants to gauge his reaction

Mangione answered on BWC, "we're gonna find out I guess"


McCoy is engaging in conversation on BWC- talking about the weather (it was raining), and he asked if Mangone had walked or driven there.

McCoy tells the court that Mangione indicated he did not want to talk to him anymore.


State asks if he heard Mangione say on BWC, "are they calling more cars?"

McCoy says he heard it on the body-cam, but does not remember Mangione saying this at the time.

State also asks if McCoy moved the CVS off the table, and he says he closed the bag and moved it off to the table behind him with the rest of his property.

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[arielilane]

BWC shows McCoy wrapping the CVS bag and moving it from the table.

McCoy says he was shown a photo of the suspect by another officer at the McDonald's and said the eyebrows looked similar. State asks him to identify Mangione in the courtroom today.

Kaplan smirked a bit at the defense table, in Mangione's direction.


9:51AM, BWC shows that McCoy instructed Frye to take the knife he removed off of Mangione, and to put it on the table with his other belongings (Mangione has stood up at this point, and was frisked).

State: Was there anything preventing him that time from shoving?

McCoy: No

State: From walking or running?

McCoy: No

State: Where the defendant is standing, how much room is between him and where his stuff is?

McCoy: About 5 feet


9:56AM- McCoy is speaking on BWC in the background, where they received the first oral confirmation that the suspect was "Luigi Mangione."


Mangione says on BWC, "why are there so many cops"

McCoy confirms that nothing he said prompted Mangione to ask that question (he asked on his own)


9:57AM, McCoy said they've been notified that Mangione needs to be taken into custody. He believes it was Hanelly that ordered this (not positive)


9:58AM- McCoy confirms all officers are prepping for the search incident to arrest.

State asks if he's ever gotten a search warrant when doing this for other suspects etc.

McCoy says he has not


McCoy is seen on BWC at 9:59AM, putting a folded piece of paper from Mangione's person on the table with the rest of his things.

State asks if he read what was on the paper, he did not.



State: To your knowledge, was there a joint investigation with the NYPD in this case?

McCoy: No

No further questions. Kaplan begins his cross.

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[arielilane]

Kaplan: How tall are you?

McCoy: 6ft

Kaplan: And in December 2024, how much did you weigh?

OBJECTION

McCoy: Pushing 300

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[arielilane]

@conlin_lauren


Kaplan is having McCoy identify the officers on the scene at the McDonald's.
Kaplan asks when Detweiler called McCoy over to take his place next to Mangione, was the backpack in between Detweiler and Frye? Yes.


10:23 AM · Dec 12, 2025

 

[arielilane]

@conlin_lauren


Kaplan: When you asked if he had any weapons on him, he didn't respond right:?

McCoy: Right

Kaplan: And when you found out the other officers did a pat down, you felt better right?

McCoy: Yes

Kaplan: So when you get there, you move the backpack to the table behind you, because you wanted the backpack further away from Mr. Mangione's reach, right?

McCoy: I also wanted to keep his things togetherKaplan: But there were other tables further away, you could have moved it there, but you didnt?


10:25 AM · Dec 12, 2025

 

[arielilane]

@conlin_lauren


Kaplan is asking if he learned about getting statements from suspects at the police academy, and McCoy says he says maybe, but he doesn't remember any specific training class on that at the academy.


10:27 AM · Dec 12, 2025

 

[arielilane]

@conlin_lauren

Kaplan asks about McCoy moving the knife out of Mangione's reach to the table behind him.

Kaplan: At some point, when he's arrested, you start the search of Mangione's person?

McCoy: Yes other officers started first

Kaplan: But all 3 of you are now searching his person

McCoy: Yes

Kaplan: And Wasser and Fox are searching the backpack behind him..?

McCoy: Yes

Kaplan: And detweiler moved him to that spot? mangione didn't move himself?

McCoy: Yes Sir

Kaplan: And he's cuffed?

McCoy: Yes

Kaplan: And there are several officers around?

McCoy: Yes

Kaplan: And you weren't concerned that Mangione was going to kick off his sneakers and open his backpack with his feet were you?


10:31 AM · Dec 12, 2025

 

[arielilane]

@conlin_lauren


Kaplan is asking McCoy is Mangione reached for a knife or backpack (he said no), and if Mangione was compliant (yes, after the initial false ID incident). No further questions. Seidemann is redirecting.


10:32 AM · Dec 12, 2025

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[arielilane]

McCoy is explaining that officers are not completely safe until all layers are removed from the suspects while frisking, and officers have lost their lives by not finding a weapon while frisking a suspect in layers (my paraphrase)- this is relative to officers fearing for their safety that morning.

Kaplan stood up when Seidemann was finished, and asked if Mangione's knife was found on a outer layer. McCoy says it was. He's dismissed.

Karen Agnifilo stood up and asked about a previous statement made that defense wants removed from the record as it pertains to the questioning of a future witness....defense did not know about the statement, it seems (was made by Mangione at his arraignment, I believe?) Carro says for hearing purposes, he will allow the statement. Short break before the next witness.


State's next witness is Sergeant Eric Heuston- who began as a patrol officer at Altoona PD in 2017.

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[arielilane]

State's next witness is Sergeant Eric Heuston- who began as a patrol officer at Altoona PD in 2017.

On December 9, 2024, Heuston's tour of duty was on the criminal investigation division, which he worked from 8-4pm. He assisted in a release/transfer of custody the same morning (the poo poo pants guy).

As Heuston is speaking, he notes that he'll try to correct himself if he says words that he knows and we don't.

Heuston says it was his first day back from vacation on December 9, he went to check in with other officers to see what was going on. He was told about the situation at the McDonald's.

The only information he had on the CEO shooter was from social media, as he was on vacation. He knows the bullets had writing on them, and there were three shots fired, and the suspect fled the scene, the backpack ws found in Central Park with monopoly money, etc.

Heuston was aware about the Central Park pond search, and he didn't hear anything about the murder weapon being recovered. He is now being shown the NYPD Crime Stopper stills of the suspect. Heuston says he's "possibly" seen one of the photos, and has seen the rest of the others shown.

Mangione is taking a lot of notes as the incident video plays. He's now watching it as well, before Karen Agnifilo requests that it stops, since the witness answered that he had watched it.

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[arielilane]

@conlin_lauren


Heuston says that if he encountered this suspect, he would be cautious due to the suspect fleeing the scene of a violent crime (paraphrase), and also because he was "taunting law enforcment"

Objection, move to strike

Sustained


11:06 AM · Dec 12, 2025

 

[arielilane]

Heuston is explaining how it works at intake with the search incident to arrest- the search of the person and their property. We've heard this explained previously- how the suspect is only allowed one layer, officers can search all and have no discretion over the search

Heuston says if there is a lot of property to search and inventory, and it's going to take a while, it's easier to have the defendant go to the holding cell.

State: If a weapon is found at intake, what is the procedure for the remainder of the search

Heuston: You can remove the item from the intake area where he can't reach it

Heuston identifies Mangione at the defense table. Mangione is whispering to Kaplan- I wish I could lip read, it looked like a discussion.



Heuston confirms everything pertaining to the search is logged in "full form or fashion"




State: What role do photographs have, be it inventory or evidence?
Heuston: They show what we have in inventory at the time.





10:11AM- Watching what looks like surveillance footage from outside of Altoona PD, of 3 officers escorting Mangione inside to intake. Mangione was walking with officers with his hands cuffed behind him, expressionless- I don't think I've ever seen that footage?



We're now inside watching BWC from 10:12AM, where the backpack is being searched, and they are going through Mangione's belongings at the table. We see the red notebook, and Heuston identifies the officers in the video. A stretcher just rolled by with the homeless man who defecated his pants as well.




10:16AM: Officer Wasser is heard saying on BWC, "there's a weapon." This is about 4-5 minutes after Mangione arrived inside.



Heuston states that Mangione has easy access to the table where his belonings are (he could easily reach), and identifies that his hands are free but his ankles are not


10:20AM, BWC is showing Mangione removing his layers.


@conlin_lauren

 

[arielilane]

@conlin_lauren


When asked by the state, Heuston says doing an in-depth search is a "case by case" decision, and can be common. He says in this case, the deputy chief requested they do a strip search.

Heuston explained he's previously found drugs or weapons in suspect's rectums.

State: And did you do that search?

Heuston: Yes

State: And did you find anything?

Heuston: No


11:30 AM · Dec 12, 2025

 

[arielilane]

@conlin_lauren


Heuston says for privacy purpose, BWC are turned off for strip searches but overheard cameras remain on (in case of any assault allegations etc)


11:31 AM · Dec 12, 2025

 

[arielilane]

@conlin_lauren


10:25AM- Heuston was the officer heard previously on BWC asking if Mangione had a job, and where he worked. Mangione had answered that his last job was at TrueCar, and answered that it was a "software engineering company." Heuston also made the comment about "poop pants" in the same clip.


11:33 AM · Dec 12, 2025

 

[arielilane]

@conlin_lauren


10:24AM- We are watching Mangione's pockets get flipped inside out while they search.


11:36 AM · Dec 12, 2025

 

[arielilane]

Kaplan walked over to the prosecution's table and handed them a note.


10:31AM, we are watching them separate the evidence/belongings. Heuston confirms when asked, that the officers are following their typical protocol.


We see the brown paper Lowes bag, and Heuston explains that type of bag is used to submit larger items in evidence, like a laptop.

@conlin_lauren

 

[arielilane]

An officer is heard announcing, "it's a dickey" and Heuston explains he's saying this out loud as another officer should be writing this down- Officer Homan was writing it down.

Heuston confirms that all articles of clothing collected from Mangione are logged into evidence (normally, clothing would be personal and returned) but these clothes had to be turned over to the NYPD.

Heuston said they "don't know what NYPD knows" so they will leave it to them to determine what to do with the clothing

@conlin_lauren