PLEA DEAL REACHED - 4 Univ of Idaho Students Murdered, Bryan Kohberger Arrested, Moscow, Nov 2022 #110

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  • #901
That kind of sounds like a threat. Goncalves needs to get control of himself. BKs parents aren’t the guilty parties -leave them out of this.
Bloody hell 😑

Like I cannot fathom the pain, anger and other emotions whirling round in this man but he's not doing himself any favours here.
He's encouraged members of the public to harass the judge and the state prosecutors, now he's in no uncertain words making veiled threats towards the Kohbergers!
This is awful to watch unravel.
Honestly, I get why he's angry but there are 3 other families who are going through the exact same as him and have accepted the plea deal as it means that they won't have to go through decades of drawn out appeals.

He needs to lay off this stuff 😞
 
  • #902
I was watching the proceeding on Seattle's Kings 5 Station which was being narrated by a former prosecutor/retired Judge (Bradshaw) and he was quick to point out that the Judge cited the restitution Order for BK for each victim but there was no Order to prohibiting BK from profiting from his life story, etc.

Not every state has a Slayer Statute and I confirmed that Idaho only provides for the convicted not to benefit from the estate of the victim --they can't inherit and can't be the beneficiary of life insurance proceeds.

It appears Idaho may view this matter similarly to MA where they've taken the position that such a law is unconstitutional where the convicted can be ordered to pay restitution but prevented from earning money. MOO

Thank you kindly for this extra info @Seattle1 😊 I very much appreciate it!
 
  • #903
I am just going to come out and say it: I do not like Mr G--- I understand his grief -- and mourning -- but he really does go overboard and he seems to have zero respect for the process and the prosecution team that in fact has brought some level of justice to the monster who took his precious daughter's life.
ita he needs some professional help with his healing process, imo. js
 
  • #904
Wow, powerful and amazing statement.
Oh my gosh. That family never wrote that. The lawyer did. They now have closure? You don’t have closure from a crime death. They agree with the prosecutor? I will stop now. I am disgusted by the whole process.
 
  • #905
I wonder if the neighbors ring doorbell camera caught him parking up and behind the house.
 
  • #906
  • #907
ita he needs some professional help with his healing process, imo. js
I am with Mr. G one hundred percent. This man slaughtered the children then took a selfie “thumbs up” because he was proud of his work. If Idaho couldn’t find their way to put him on top of the list for that rifle, that’s their problem. The prosecutors FAILED the children.
So Chad Daybell got the DP and people think this guy would not? Sheesh. This country is sick.
 
  • #908
That kind of sounds like a threat. Goncalves needs to get control of himself. BKs parents aren’t the guilty parties -leave them out of this.
What is significant about the timing of the K family flight records?
 
  • #909
Bloody hell 😑

Like I cannot fathom the pain, anger and other emotions whirling round in this man but he's not doing himself any favours here.
He's encouraged members of the public to harass the judge and the state prosecutors, now he's in no uncertain words making veiled threats towards the Kohbergers!
This is awful to watch unravel.
Honestly, I get why he's angry but there are 3 other families who are going through the exact same as him and have accepted the plea deal as it means that they won't have to go through decades of drawn out appeals.

He needs to lay off this stuff 😞
He HURTS! He isn’t wanting to hurt anyone but the prosecution failed his daughter. Nor did they give him time to accept the plea deal. Everything was rushed. He is angry. He has every right to scream for days if it helps him heal.
 
  • #910
Bloody hell 😑

Like I cannot fathom the pain, anger and other emotions whirling round in this man but he's not doing himself any favours here.
He's encouraged members of the public to harass the judge and the state prosecutors, now he's in no uncertain words making veiled threats towards the Kohbergers!
This is awful to watch unravel.
Honestly, I get why he's angry but there are 3 other families who are going through the exact same as him and have accepted the plea deal as it means that they won't have to go through decades of drawn out appeals.

He needs to lay off this stuff 😞
For all we know, BK's family may have travelled to Idaho earlier to be part of helping persuade BK to plead guilty in order for the defense and prosecution to forge the plea deal. Regardless of the reason they were there and when they arrived, I don't know why that matters to SG. So what he has proof of their travel arrangements. It means nothing in the bigger picture of things.
 
  • #911
How does LE even know in what order the victims were killed?
BK isn’t talking, so what kind of evidence indicates he went upstairs first, then Xana, then Ethan?
My point is, until BK is required to confess in detail, we have no idea what went on in the house, except he killed four people.
We also don’t know what drew him to that house.
The one requirement missing from the plea deal that should be there, is his detailed confession. Everything else, I think is for the best.
He may have confessed in detail to law enforcement and prosecutors. We don't know that. The gag order is still in place so we don't know what the state knows.
 
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I paid close attention while listening to the hearing, but I relied on my memory instead of taking notes since I knew I’d have access to a recording later.

Here’s my transcription of BT’s recitation of Kohberger’s actions from 4:05 am to 4:20 am on November 13, 2022 (which I created just now, while listening to a recording of the hearing, since YouTube didn’t create the transcript automatically):

At approximately 4:05 that morning, Defendant’s car had entered that area, was leaving, stopped at the intersection of King and Queen Road, did a U-turn, and the State’s evidence would show that Defendant’s car came back and parked behind and above the 1122 King Road residence.

The State believes that its evidence would then show that the Defendant entered the residence of 1122 through the kitchen sliding door on the back side of the residence, which is the side of the residence that would face the area above where the Defendant’s car was parked.

The Defendant entered the residence, went to the third floor, and with a knife, killed Madison Mogen and Kaylee Goncalves.

The Defendant, as he left that room, for whatever reason, ended up leaving, or, the sheath for a Ka-bar knife was left on the bed next to Madison Mogen’s body.

And I can jump ahead: That sheath was tested by the Idaho State Police Forensic Lab, and single source male DNA was found on the snap of that sheath, as well as blood from both Kaylee and Madison and other trace evidence. But, it’s important to note: single-source male DNA was on the snap of that sheath.

The State’s evidence would show that Xana Kernodle was still awake at this time—in fact, had taken a DoorDash order not long before this started. Her room was not on the third floor. It was on the second floor, on the west side.

As the Defendant was either coming down the stairs or leaving, he encountered Xana, and he ended up killing her, also with a large knife.

Ethan Chapin, Xana’s boyfriend, was asleep in their bedroom, in her bedroom, and the Defendant killed him, as well, with a large fix-blade knife.

Each victim suffered multiple wounds. I will say for the record that there is no evidence there was any sexual component or sexual assault on any of the victims. I want to make that clear so there’s no speculation.

There were two other roommates in the house, and they were already asleep. During the course of this, one of those roommates awoke, looked out her door, not knowing what was going on, and saw the Defendant, who was dressed in black, with a black balaclava on, holding some sort of container in his hand, and she saw him leave the house through the direction of the kitchen where that sliding door is that I mentioned before.

At approximately 4:20 that morning, so this would have been 15 minutes or so later, the Defendant’s car is seen on a surveillance camera for 1112 King Road, which is immediately next door, to the west of 1122, leaving the area at a high rate of speed.

And if the Court were to see that, or anybody in this courtroom were to see that, you can see that the car almost loses control as it makes the corner, heads north, and then turns to go south on Walenta, which is one of the only ways to get out of that part of town.

Source:

1:42:46 to 1:46:12
 
  • #914
Maddie's mom, what a resemblance
 
  • #915
He HURTS! He isn’t wanting to hurt anyone but the prosecution failed his daughter. Nor did they give him time to accept the plea deal. Everything was rushed. He is angry. He has every right to scream for days if it helps him heal.
The prosecution got him to admit, in open court, that he killed Kaylee--and also Maddie, Xana and Ethan. That's not nothing. They did not fail his daughter.
 
  • #916
Oh my gosh. That family never wrote that. The lawyer did. They now have closure? You don’t have closure from a crime death. They agree with the prosecutor? I will stop now. I am disgusted by the whole process.
I'm sure he formulated it for them, but I presume that they gave him the key points. I think they too must be assumed to be telling their truth even if some on here don't agree with it. I presume they have some form of closure.

MOO
 
  • #917
It is believed the same knife was used on all 4 victims.

If on and in Maddie's wounds, you only find her blood, chances are high she was first. If in and on Kaylee's wounds/body you find Maddie's blood/DNA (Maddie's DNA in Kaylee's wounds), she's second. Etc.
There's that, the fact the sheath contained only KG and MM's blood, DM's account, Xana's last phone activity, etc.

We'll likely see the DNA analysis in discovery, and this is something they'd be able to know for a fact.
 
  • #918
The prosecution got him to admit, in open court, that he killed Kaylee--and also Maddie, Xana and Ethan. That's not nothing. They did not fail his daughter.
I disagree with you with everything inside me. I am screaming now too. This country convicts to the DP innocent people but won’t even give these kids twelve jurors to decide his fate.
 
  • #919
I wonder if the neighbors ring doorbell camera caught him parking up and behind the house.
Sure sounds like it. It's one of the new (and damning) pieces of evidence.
That's how I heard it, too.
 
  • #920
But a mistrial is always a risk in any criminal case. So is the possibility of a not-guilty verdict. That’s not a valid reason to sidestep a trial — it’s part of the process. You don’t abandon due process just because the outcome isn’t guaranteed.

A plea deal is a part of due process in many cases.
The vast majority criminal cases in the US are settled via plea agreement.
The pathway to justice isn't solely through jury trials in our legal system.
With a plea deal, the outcome is guaranteed to a much greater extent than it would be handing the case over to a jury.

We know BK is going to be locked away forever.
Forever X 4.
Plus 10 years.

He admitted to savagely snuffing out those 4 lives "willfully, unlawfully, deliberately with premeditation and malice aforethought."
The families all heard him confess his guilt to each murder.
He never would have done that had there been a jury trial.

Genuine question: What would a trial accomplish that this plea does not?
 
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