Russia Attacks Ukraine - 23 Feb 2022 #12

[PommyMommy]

Lithuania invests $21 million in Ukraine's arms industry, agrees to joint production.

Lithuania has already invested 20 million euros ($21 million) in purchasing weapons for Kyiv from Ukrainian producers and will produce arms in cooperation with Ukraine, the Lithuanian Defense Ministry said on March 1.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1896101349311607110

Czech President Peter Pavel urged the free world to create a "coalition of the willing" to oppose the aggressor and reach a just peace in Ukraine.His comment came after Zelenskyy-Trump scuffle in the Oval Office.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1896106079840583974

 

[Deleted member 39678]

These are the indicative estimates of Russia’s combat losses as of Mar. 2, according to the Armed Forces of Ukraine.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1896099833594904650

Forbes: Ukraine retakes Toretsk weeks after Russia’s “victory”

Ukrainian forces are advancing on key frontlines, notably in Toretsk, where they pushed back Russian troops soon after the Kremlin claimed victory in the strategic Donetsk town.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1896108262010847300

Thanks for the link. It sure shows us that Putin could care less about the lives of his soldiers. Horrible.

 

[PommyMommy]

Musk supported the U.S. exit from the UN and NATO"

I agree," the billionaire wrote on X.

Earlier, a proposal to withdraw from the UN was submitted for discussion in Congress.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1896088839653048391

If anyone is “playing World War III,” it’s Vladimir Putin, Macron says

“He brought 10,000 North Korean soldiers to Europe. He begged for Iranian drones, aiding their nuclear program in return — to wage war in Europe.”

https://twitter.com/x/status/1896093136931242440

 

[PommyMommy]

A rally in support of Ukraine took place in New York

People attended it with their families.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1896102159042682980

Mass anti-Elon protests took place at Tesla dealerships across the U.S.

People chanted "Zelensky is a hero" and "Arrest Musk!"

https://twitter.com/x/status/1896110854438822035

 

[SouthAussie]

The pause includes operations that typically expose or disrupt Russian malware before it can be deployed against American systems. A former senior defense official told the Record that suspending these efforts, even temporarily, could allow Russian hackers to regroup and strengthen their offensive capabilities.

Oh great. Why doesn't Hegseth just give Russia a direct connection to the US Armed Forces and Govt systems?

 

[Sarahlou]

Apologies if this was already posted, this thread moves fast!

An SNP MP has said that Donald Trump's second state visit to the UK cannot go ahead if he refuses to show further support for Ukraine.
Trump accused Ukraine's president Volodymyr Zelensky of "gambling with World War Three" during a fiery showdown at the White House on Friday.

Stephen Gethins, the SNP's foreign affairs spokesperson, called Trump's behaviour towards Zelensky "grotesque" and said it amounted to "bullying".

SNP MP calls for Trump state visit to be scrapped

A second state visit cannot go ahead if the US president does not show further support for Ukraine, Stephen Gethins says.

www.bbc.com

 

[SouthAussie]

It would be laughable if not for the fact that he's letting his people die because of it. JMO.

That is like saying that Poland let its people die because it didn't surrender to Germany.

You sure are expecting a lot of an invaded country. "Come right in, take whatever you want, we won't fight you because our people may die. Our people will be fine with that"

imo

 

[Deleted member 39678]

Apologies if this was already posted, this thread moves fast!

An SNP MP has said that Donald Trump's second state visit to the UK cannot go ahead if he refuses to show further support for Ukraine.
Trump accused Ukraine's president Volodymyr Zelensky of "gambling with World War Three" during a fiery showdown at the White House on Friday.

Stephen Gethins, the SNP's foreign affairs spokesperson, called Trump's behaviour towards Zelensky "grotesque" and said it amounted to "bullying".

SNP MP calls for Trump state visit to be scrapped

A second state visit cannot go ahead if the US president does not show further support for Ukraine, Stephen Gethins says.

www.bbc.com

What is a SNP MP? I've never heard of that before. Is it some kind of UK official or elected politician?

 

[Deleted member 39678]

That is like saying that Poland let its people die because it didn't surrender to Germany.

You sure are expecting a lot of an invaded country. "Come right in, take whatever you want, we won't fight you because our people may die. Our people will be fine with that"

imo

Not at all. I want what's best for the Ukrainian people and I don't think they are getting it from Zelenskyy. JMO.

 

[Betty P]

What allies?

Thanks to Trump’s greedy bumbling, our allies no longer trust the United States. Our current leader now aligns himself with Russia and North Korea, war criminals, shadowy oligarchs and a handful of mentally ill billionaires. Almost overnight, we’ve become a threat to our closest friends and neighbors, unpredictable, erratic, greedy and hostile.

It comes as a shock to most normal Americans that our country no longer trusted or liked by our Allies. This is not what Americans want.

 

[JennieM]

6m ago09.07 GMT

Starmer says he felt 'uncomfortable' watching Zelenskyy-Trump argument at White House​

Keir Starmer has been asked on the BBC about the furious exchange between Volodymyr Zelensky and Donald Trump in the White House last week. He admitted that he “felt uncomfortable” watching the argument.

The British prime minister insists the focus has to be a “lasting peace” in Ukraine, which he says is essential for the security of Europe.

When asked about the exchange between Trump and Zelenskyy, he said “nobody wants to see that” and said that he spoke to Trump and Zelenskyy on the phone after the heated exchange.

He would not be drawn on specifics but said the purpose has been to “bridge” tensions to get everyone back to the “central focus” of supporting Ukraine to “stop the fighting” in the long term.

UK and France to work with Ukraine on peace plan, Starmer says, as European leaders arrive for defence summit – live

Ukrainian president Volodymyr Zelenskyy to join European, Canadian and Turkish leaders for summit

www.theguardian.com

 

[SouthAussie]

Not at all. I want what's best for the Ukrainian people and I don't think they are getting it from Zelenskyy. JMO.

You may not think so, but the Ukraine govt overwhelming and unanimously supported their leader when they voted a few days ago for him to continue being leader while the war is still on. The people who care most about Ukraine obviously want Zelenskyy in place.

It is time to honour that, I think. They don't want to be killed, they also don't want to surrender their lands, they also don't want Russia's invasion, they also don't want to live under Russian control. So they are fighting for their rightful freedom.

And they want their stolen children back.

 

[JennieM]

2m ago09.12 GMT
Starmer says the worst of all outcomes is for Russia to break the terms of an agreed ceasefire deal.

I am clear about is that if there is to be a deal, if there is to be a stopping of the fighting, then that agreement has to be defended, because the worst of all outcomes is that there is a temporary pause, and then Putin comes again.

That has happened in the past. I think it is a real risk, and that is why we must ensure that if there’s a deal, it’s a lasting deal, not a temporary pause.

UK and France to work with Ukraine on peace plan, Starmer says, as European leaders arrive for defence summit – live

Ukrainian president Volodymyr Zelenskyy to join European, Canadian and Turkish leaders for summit

www.theguardian.com

 

[Betty P]

Musk supported the U.S. exit from the UN and NATO"

I agree," the billionaire wrote on X.

Earlier, a proposal to withdraw from the UN was submitted for discussion in Congress.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1896088839653048391

If anyone is “playing World War III,” it’s Vladimir Putin, Macron says

“He brought 10,000 North Korean soldiers to Europe. He begged for Iranian drones, aiding their nuclear program in return — to wage war in Europe.”

https://twitter.com/x/status/1896093136931242440

<modsnip> He doesn’t pay taxes. He has no authority to make decisions or spout nonsense on behalf of our country. His opinions are meaningless as he consorts with our enemies.JMO

CNN's Harry Enten: Elon Musk Has Become "Detestable" To Americans, "It's Only Going To Get Worse From Here"

CNN chief data analyst Harry Enten was very expressive in explaining how Americans feel about Elon Musk on Tuesday's broadcast of 'Inside Politics.' "The American folks know that something is up," Enten said of Musk's approval rating. "I think it's only going to get worse from here, given that...

www.realclearpolitics.com

 

[JennieM]

Who is expected at the UK summit on Ukraine?​

Global leaders are set to descend on central London today for a crucial summit on the war in Ukraine, after the extraordinary scenes in the White House earlier this week.

The UK's Prime Minister, Keir Starmer, is set to welcome Italy's Prime Minister Giorgia Meloni to Downing Street this morning.

The leaders will then be joined by Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky, French President Emmanel Macron, German Chancellor Olaf Scholz and Canada's Prime Minister Justin Trudeau.

Leaders of Denmark, Netherlands, Norway, Poland, Spain, FInland, Sweden, Czechia and Romania will also be in attendance, as well as Turkey's foreign minister.

Nato Secretary General Mark Rutte, European Commission President Ursula Von der Leyen and Council President Antonio Costa have also been invited.

Zelensky tells BBC Ukraine 'ready to sign' minerals deal with US

The Ukrainian president's comments to Laura Kuenssberg came after he failed to sign the deal at the White House on Friday.

www.bbc.co.uk

 

[JennieM]

2m ago09.15 GMT

Starmer says UK and France will work with Kyiv to present peace plan to Washington​

Starmer said that after discussions with Zelenskyy, Trump and Macron that there has been an agreement made that the UK, along with France, and “possibly one or two others” will work with Kyiv to stop the war. He said this peace plan will be presented to the US.

UK and France to work with Ukraine on peace plan to be presented to US, Starmer says, before major defence summit – live

Ukrainian president Volodymyr Zelenskyy to join European, Canadian and Turkish leaders for summit on Ukraine

www.theguardian.com

 

[JennieM]

Starmer says we need a coalition of the willing. Not an exclusion, the more the better, but they need to move in a more agile way. So that includes the UK, Ukraine and France.

 

[JennieM]

Starmer said there is no point of a ceasefire deal without security guarantees. He does not trust Putin and without security guarantees, a ceasefire deal is pointless as Putin will attack again.

 

[JennieM]

1m ago20.21 AEDT
Starmer says he thinks Trump wants to see a lasting peace in Ukraine despite his rhetoric and attitude towards Zelenskyy. “Everybody agrees with that apart from Putin,” he told the BBC. By “lasting peace”, Starmer means a “US backstop”, along with “security guarantees” provided by European countries and a “strong Ukraine” armed with defensive capabilities to resist the Russian invasion.

UK and France to work with Ukraine on peace plan to be presented to US, Starmer says, before major defence summit – live

Ukrainian president Volodymyr Zelenskyy to join European, Canadian and Turkish leaders for summit on Ukraine

www.theguardian.com

 

[Deleted member 39678]

Starmer says we need a coalition of the willing. Not an exclusion, the more the better, but they need to move in a more agile way. So that includes the UK, Ukraine and France.

I love Starmer's thoughts.