Russia Attacks Ukraine - 23 Feb 2022 #12

[UK Girl]

Except he was trying to sell another deal with another country out from under UK. Either way, it's now UK's responsibility for the next 100 years.

no proof of that tbh

 

[Charlot123]

It's so horrible to see 'the AMERICAN'S' when what t and his people have created. Not all on any level. I think the best buds showing what that means for us, will get the quiet ones up in arms, in their heads and hope they vote them out where they can, come state elections. A start, this has to be stopped and turned around, every single act that has been done and will be done.

Not t at all. He is the result, not the cause.

It all started with Fox News, now the most watched channel in the US.

To be honest, I am not enchanted by CNN either. I ended up cutting all cable news as long as we grew out of “snow days” at school.

But, I remember one year when I was sitting at some US airport, back to a TV screen. I felt hair raising at the back of my head. A physical reaction caused by the tone, not by the news, as I am rather cynical to rely on any. So I moved to another side, with another, “the opposite”, channel, soon eliciting exactly the same reaction.

We are divided. Perhaps any democracy is. JMO it suits both parties because whether we like how our representatives are voting or not, we are voting for “our” party and then can not hold them accountable. Does it suit us as the country? Well, it seems that we all are befuddled to say the least.

 

[UK Girl]

I suppose they also think Winston Churchill was the unelected leader of England during WWII.

It says something about a leader and a cause when they have to use propaganda to try to convince people they're right. It's eerie how so much of this is a repetition of Hitler's movement as they took over Germany and invaded Poland. Remember how they convinced everyone that Poland was to blame?

People are saying that its a very similar situation and that Trump is acting like Chamberlain did.

 

[Donswife48]

You know one thing thats funny? Russia took hundreds or thousands of kids to Russia away from there family. Why isnt Trump threatening to attack Russia if those kids arent returned like he is with Gaza?

Why isn't UK threating to attack Russia if those kids aren't returned?

 

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[Donswife48]

no proof of that tbh

You should read the 100 yr deal with UK and Ukraine. It's available on the gov UK website. I'm surprised you didn't know about this already. JMO MOO

 

[Snoopster]

I'm familiar with GDP. Comparison require identical time frames in order to reach a hypothesis. The 2021outside of the time frame of the invasion, 2022. You need to compare 2024 GDP the 2024 expenditure budget.

Moo... And a little statistical nerdy

Respectfully, as someone who has worked in senior management of an investment firm, GDP stats don't come out until well after the fact. It's measured well after the fact. In contrast, the expenditure budget comes out well before the fact (as all budgets do). Budgets are forward looking.

 

[Simply Southern]

You know one thing thats funny? Russia took hundreds or thousands of kids to Russia away from there family. Why isnt Trump threatening to attack Russia if those kids arent returned like he is with Gaza?

Israel is a NATO Nation. Hamas (GAZA) has limited military capabilities and no nuclear weapons. Hama has few allies, and they have very limited ability. There's little to no risk Hama could attack outside of its boundary.
Moo

 

[UK Girl]

Why isn't UK threating to attack Russia if those kids aren't returned?

We are not allowed into negotiations...and we havent threatened to attack another country for same reason

 

[UK Girl]

You should read the 100 yr deal with UK and Ukraine. It's available on the gov UK website. I'm surprised you didn't know about this already. JMO MOO

I was not talking about that issue. I was talking about your assumption that they wasnt going to deal with America because of the Uk.

 

[Simply Southern]

Respectfully, as someone who has worked in senior management of an investment firm, GDP stats don't come out until well after the fact. The expenditure budget comes out well before the fact (as all budgets do).

Yes but you have to use for actual expenditures. Budgets change frequently and they move money from one pot to another often. That's why I suggested same previous years. Moo

 

[UK Girl]

Israel is a NATO Nation. Hamas (GAZA) has limited military capabilities and no nuclear weapons. Hama has few allies, and they have very limited ability. There's little to no risk Hama could attack outside of its boundary.
Moo

Unfortunately they did though

 

[Snoopster]

I agree. I think everyone with the exception of Putin wants a long-term peace agreement. I know Europe is worried. If fighting continues through Ukraine, Russia will be the back door of European countries. But if anyone, the US or European countries send in military troops, even acting as peacekeeper, there is grave risk of combat. All our leaders know this on both sides of the pond know this.

Ukraine has been in and out of conflict with Russia since 2014. No one has sent troops in any of these conflicts.

Putin has made it very clear if the US enters Ukraine, he considers it an act of war. We just can't go into war with Russia. It will result in nuclear weapons.

There are no guarantees, certainly not a piece of paper. It takes both parties working real hard to keep a ceasefire fire or a peace agreement. It can happen accidentally or intentionally. Russia is the time bomb.

Moo

Thank you Southern. I think we all agree that Putin is a bad dude. He wants to take over democratic nations. We owe it to society to not let that happen, right?
That's what so many of us have been saying. We all want the world to be a better place. And a better place means we need democracies.
Let's all fight for democracy together.
Trump has aligned himself with Putin. That's just not acceptable to align with the bully.
We need to defend the victims...just like we do on all of the criminal cases here on WS.

Let's all fight for a better world.

 

[Sundog]

The US has never been terribly concerned about military spending and foreign aid. Both parties GOP and DEM, have been more than willing to spend huge sums of money and US lives fighting (losing) conflicts around the globe. Money no object. Look at the 20+year war in Iraq and Afghanistan. Now suddenly faced with confronting our worst enemy, PUTIN, knees are buckling in the Whitehouse and now feigned concern about money. I recall Trump announcing in his first campaign that the US nuclear weapon systems were defective. If so, why would he have announced that publicly? If not, why the lie? It is not hard to see that we are taking a stance of weakness. Trump has no respect here or abroad. Even if he is not complicit with Putin, he is seen as a weak fool by Putin. At least with Biden, the support of the US was seen as a constant threat, even if weak.

You mean when Biden would say over and over again: "Don't!" ? LOL.

 

[Simply Southern]

He's been trustworthy since he was elected president. The US has had no problems with him. He didn't invade any neighboring countries, butchering innocent men, women and children. So there's that.

Well we did have some questions about the $40 million that went missing. I posted it at early. Moo

 

[LibraStarr]

Honestly this is all a moot point since UK and Ukraine signed the 100-year deal in January. UK is now responsible for funding and providing security to Ukraine, and The UK will also be a preferred partner for Ukraine’s energy sector, including projects developing renewable energy sources, a critical minerals strategy and green steel production. Sounds like Zelensky has already agreed to a minerals deal. I don't know why Zelensky would want to pit the USA vs another country, but he has. Good for him, and good luck to the UK. Now I know why Zelensky said 3 times he would sign a deal with the USA and then refused. My neck is still sore for the daily whip lash of yes he would sign, no he wont. JMO MOO

IMO

That’s not quite how the UK-Ukraine deal works. The 100-year partnership strengthens ties in areas like defense, energy, and technology, but it doesn’t make the UK solely responsible for funding or securing Ukraine. It’s not a mutual defense pact, and it doesn’t mean Ukraine can’t negotiate similar deals with other countries—including the U.S.

As for the minerals deal, Ukraine has been clear: they want security guarantees alongside any economic agreement. That’s why Zelenskyy hesitated—because Trump wouldn’t commit to anything beyond business interests.

More on the UK-Ukraine partnership here: UK Government

 

[UK Girl]

Well we did have some questions about the $40 million that went missing. I'm posted it at early. Moo

No proof that he was involved with that tbh

 

[Snoopster]

Well we did have some questions about the $40 million that went missing. I'm posted it at early. Moo

Thanks Southern. I haven't been able to follow every post. Could you post a link for that? Thank you in advance.

 

[BayouBelle_LA]

We are not allowed into negotiations...and we havent threatened to attack another country for same reason

As I understand it Europe will get to take over and do all the negotiations. I think we are out unless Z comes to his senses, and even then, who knows. imo

 

[UK Girl]

As I understand it Europe will get to take over and do all the negotiations. I think we are out unless Z comes to his senses, and even then, who knows. imo

Not sure thats the way it works tbh. I assume that Trump will still do negotiations. Not sure what Z is meant to do but I do know that if I was him I would not go to the White house without other leaders.