Russia Attacks Ukraine - 23 Feb 2022 #12

[UK Girl]

A peace deal with Ukraine and Russia is possible.
I still think Vice president Vance was right to speck up. Because they were there for the chance to talk about having peace going forward and for Zelenskyy to be thankful for this 45 minute long meeting to put Things Back Together in the right place.
But than Zelenskyy starts by saying Can I ask you something? And he goes back to taking the history of the conflict and implying its no good we can,t do this.
So Zelenskyy keeps taking things apart While the US is trying to put it together.

Back in 2022 Russia wrote out 4 items to get to Peace and that is Not impossible.
Probably Putin can be the type to use what he has and needs and not keep taking things apart. And we need The UN or The EU to oversee this and make sure peace is maintained.

Zelensky was meant to be greatful for a 45 minute meeting? The one here yesterday lasted hours but you have forgotten the part that America was going to do pretty well out of that meeting! it was not out of the goodness of their hearts ( if they have any)

You have also forgotten about all the snide remarks they were throwing at him and yeah Vance likes to speak up to foreign leaders...

 

[CaMan60]

He asked for a security guarantee.

Okay so a security guarantee should be arranged for by The UN or The EU.
But adding more Armies and military equipment is not the path to Peace.

 

[UK Girl]

Okay so a security guarantee should be arranged for by The UN or The EU.
But adding more Armies and military equipment is not the path to Peace

to be honest it isnt that easy. Trump has said that the EU has to provide peacekeepers etc. Putin does not want them. IMO this deal fri should not open until EVERYTHING is discussed and not agreed. Europe have not even been included in any discussions with Putin etc so how can we agree to anything? so until he knows what will happen how can anything really be signed?

 

[Vern]

A peace deal with Ukraine and Russia is possible.
I still think Vice president Vance was right to speck up. Because they were there for the chance to talk about having peace going forward and for Zelenskyy to be thankful for this 45 minute long meeting to put Things Back Together in the right place.
But than Zelenskyy starts by saying Can I ask you something? And he goes back to taking the history of the conflict and implying its no good we can,t do this.
So Zelenskyy keeps taking things apart While the US is trying to put it together.

Back in 2022 Russia wrote out 4 items to get to Peace and that is Not impossible.
Probably Putin can be the type to use what he has and needs and not keep taking things apart. And we need The UN or The EU to oversee this and make sure peace is maintained.

They had a peace deal in 2019 after Russia had invaded the Ukraine (Crimea 2014).

Russia then broke that deal in 2022 by invading further into Ukraine.

There will be no peace without a guarantee of security for Ukraine and it's soverign territory because Russia has already clearly demonstrated twice in the past 5 years that they want a piece of Ukraine.

Tell me why the US has not yet demanded Russia to get out of Ukraine's sovereign territory? Why is the US demanding that Ukraine give up it's sovereign territory to Russia?

Peace negotiations are supposed to be a two-way street. Making all the demands of one nation and not the other is not "peace"; it's not 'negotiating" --- it's actually called "surrender".

The US is not carrying the unbiased moral high ground here in this conflict. And therefore there will never be a "Nobel Peace Prize" at the end of this 'negotiation'.

"Give us 50% of your minerals and 500 billion or we're out" can also be called "extortion" and would be if it were an actual business or private citizen doing it.

Not one ally of the United States asked/'begged' for "thanks" after coming to their aid IAW NATO Article 5 post September 11th 2001. Not one ally of the United States asked for their billions back that those wars cost their nations in Iraq & Afghanistan. Not one ally of the United States will ever get back their sons & daughters who fought, spilled their blood & died alongside their US allies in those wars. I carried one of those caskets to the plane on the ramp at Khandahar alongside my US counterparts carrying one of theirs. Yet, no ask for reimbursement or thanks from them. And non-NATO countries did the exct same thing too: Ukraine, Australia, New Zealand, UAE ... and 33 more. How soon we forget.

They simply did what was right. They fought & died for democracy. To be on the right side of history. Some of us still do.

IMO.

 

[JennieM]

Okay so a security guarantee should be arranged for by The UN or The EU.
But adding more Armies and military equipment is not the path to Peace.

Not by the country receiving 50% of Ukraine’s minerals?

 

[UK Girl]

Okay so a security guarantee should be arranged for by The UN or The EU.
But adding more Armies and military equipment is not the path to Peace.

Is sending more missiles than ever against Ukraine the path to Peace? more buildings destroyed and more lives taken. Even bombing a hospital .

 

[CaMan60]

My thing is -- Ukraine is a US ally and Russia isn't. Correct?

Its always risky to give military support to a country with a border dispute.
My thing is, the best way to help is by setting a road to Peace. Both sides will have to get along and re-establish trade with each other for the benefit of everybody.

 

[CaMan60]

Not by the country receiving 50% of Ukraine’s minerals?

Gotta Agree with you if that is true.
Yesterday it was written US interests would be willing to buy the right to mine certain Rare Earth minerals. Okay so There are some natural resources in that part of the world that a US mining company may or may Not be able to use in the profitable way. But I don,t think its accurate to say the US will demand their valuable minerals

 

[UK Girl]

Its always risky to give military support to a country with a border dispute.
My thing is, the best way to help is by setting a road to Peace. Both sides will have to get along and re-establish trade with each other for the benefit of everybody.

You said its always risky to give military support to a country with a border dispute?

Then maybe we should have let them keep the nuclear weapons they had ? instead of PROMISING that if they gave them away that WE would protect them should Russia invade?? maybe they should have also been told about the huge the cost would be!!

 

[UK Girl]

Gotta Agree with you if that is true.
Yesterday it was written US interests would be willing to buy the right to mine certain Rare Earth minerals. Okay so There are some natural resources in that part of the world that a US mining company may or may Not be able to use in the profitable way. But I don,t think its accurate to say the US will demand their valuable minerals

That has pretty much been said tbh that they will.

 

[Deleted member 39678]

UK, Germany and France Ready to Send Troops to Ukraine to Support Truce

French Finance Minister Lombard indicates Europe is ready to send troops to Ukraine for ceasefire enforcement, pending US backing for the mission.

united24media.com

France, the UK, Germany, and other European nations are prepared to send troops to Ukraine to help enforce a ceasefire once an agreement is reached with Russia, French Finance Minister Eric Lombard said in an interview with Bloomberg on February 26.

Zelenskyy knew before going to Washington that European nations said they would send troops to Ukraine if there's a ceasefire. The US backing would be from having US contractors working at the border extracting minerals which would be a big deterrent to Putin attacking again.

For some reason that wasn't good enough for Zelenskyy and he cause a big scene in the Oval Office instead of signing the deal and moving forward. Not a very smart move. JMO.

 

[sds71]

President Trump will hold a meeting Monday afternoon on the next steps regarding the crisis with Ukraine, including a possible suspension of U.S. military aid, a U.S. official and a source with knowledge of the meeting told Axios.

https://www.axios.com/2025/03/03/trump-ukraine-meeting-aid-freeze

 

[Elliot_Alderson]

UK, Germany and France Ready to Send Troops to Ukraine to Support Truce

French Finance Minister Lombard indicates Europe is ready to send troops to Ukraine for ceasefire enforcement, pending US backing for the mission.

united24media.com

Zewlenskyy knew before going to Washington that European nations said they would send troops to Ukraine if there's a ceasefire. The US backing would be from having US contractors working at the border extracting minerals which would be a big deterrent to Putin attacking again.

For some reason that wasn't good enough for Zelenskyy and he cause a big scene in the Oval Office instead of signing the deal and moving forward. Not a very smart move. JMO.

Well maybe it's the fact that past agreements have been made and Putin repeatedly ignored them. Gee, sure makes perfect sense to me. How did he cause a big scene? He asked a pretty simple and routine question.

 

[UK Girl]

UK, Germany and France Ready to Send Troops to Ukraine to Support Truce

French Finance Minister Lombard indicates Europe is ready to send troops to Ukraine for ceasefire enforcement, pending US backing for the mission.

united24media.com

Zewlenskyy knew before going to Washington that European nations said they would send troops to Ukraine if there's a ceasefire. The US backing would be from having US contractors working at the border extracting minerals which would be a big deterrent to Putin attacking again.

For some reason that wasn't good enough for Zelenskyy and he cause a big scene in the Oval Office instead of signing the deal and moving forward. Not a very smart move. JMO.

Except most of the world saw something different. Not smart from Trump and Vance though I agree.

You are forgetting we have not been included in peace talks with Russia and America. Zelensky neither. Russia have said no to the peacekeepers as I already said. Zelensky could sign the agreement and then have no security. Now THAT would not be a smart move!

 

[Deleted member 39678]

Except most of the world saw something different. Not smart from Trump and Vance though I agree.

You are forgetting we have not been included in peace talks with Russia and America. Zelensky neither. Russia have said no to the peacekeepers as I already said. Zelensky could sign the agreement and then have no security. Now THAT would not be a smart move!

It's factual not an opinion that those offers were made. There's no way around it.

Zelenskyy has to trust that some countries offers will happen or he faces destruction. JMO.

 

[CaMan60]

Peace negotiations are supposed to be a two-way street.

I agree with a lot of what you wrote. And thank you for your service to the country in the past. We know history has a way of repeating itself. But there needs to be a balance found in this dispute, And in this modern world we live in, it is possible.

 

[UK Girl]

It's factual not an opinion that those offers were made. There's no way around it.

Zelenskyy has to trust that some countries offers will happen or he faces destruction. JMO.

I disagree. The offer was made but Russia have said no to that and so depends on what happens. It is not about other countries offers obviously. It is what Putin agrees to.

At this point Zelensky has no idea what Trump has agreed to behind his back.

 

[LibraStarr]

The US backing would be from having US contractors working at the border extracting minerals which would be a big deterrent to Putin attacking again.

It's factual not an opinion that those offers were made. There's no way around it.

Do you a source for this? I researched and couldn't find a direct quote or statement where Trump discussed what the securities would be at all. If you have a link, that would be super helpful.

Contractor's are not security guarantees, in my opinion.

 

[branmuffin]

The 4 steps agreed at Sunday's summit ....


The prime minister says leaders at the summit agreed four important steps:

• To keep military aid flowing into Ukraine while the war is ongoing, and increase economic pressure on Russia
• Any lasting peace must ensure Ukraine's sovereignty and security, and Ukraine must be at the table for any peace talks
• In the event of a peace deal, European leaders will aim to deter any future invasion by Russia into Ukraine
• There would be a "coalition of the willing" to defend Ukraine and guarantee peace in the country

Starmer unveils four steps to help Ukraine

Maybe it's just me but whenever I hear the phrase "coalition of the willing" it sounds a bit like a Monty Python skit. I understand the aim but the name doesn't do it for me.

A pause in hostilities has happened in the past, but for a more humane reason; collecting the dead. A pause in hostilities without key details in the plan is an invitation for Russia to regroup, rearm and attack. I don't condone that since it's making an assumption about the enemy. Everyone knows the parable about a farmer and a snake.

 

[Deleted member 39678]

Do you a source for this? I researched and couldn't find a direct quote or statement where Trump discussed what the securities would be at all. If you have a link, that would be super helpful.

Contractor's are not security guarantees, in my opinion.

I look for a link.