4 Univ of Idaho Students Murdered, Bryan Kohberger Arrested, Moscow, 2022 #80

[kittythehare]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1660712442912206848

I fully agree with the Judge.
Of course I share everyone's curiosity but if I was the Judge I'd keep the gag order on to preserve the integrity of the case based upon so many egregious events caused by nosey social media people and indeed some journalists too.
The other girls, the housemates, were invaded and all kinds of egregious speculation endangered them, the sanctity of their homes
Enough is enough.

 

[DizzyB]

Any impressions of BK from the courtroom? In my own opinion, with zero qualifications, he reminds me of someone who has been taught how to interact, rather that it naturally occurring. Like trained in responses, such as maintaining eye contact for at least a moment, appearing engaged, responding to questions in a certain manner.

 

[BeginnerSleuther]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1660712442912206848

Dateline -- and the subsequent DM headline -- is proof of that, IMO.

 

[crumbcleaner]

BK is visibly reacting to the charges—-looking down for awhile….eyes blinking at other times. Fidgeting. Vein? Throbbing on right cheek or jaw clinching?

I definitely noticed the jaw clenching!

 

[kittythehare]

Any impressions of BK from the courtroom? In my own opinion, with zero qualifications, he reminds me of someone who has been taught how to interact, rather that it naturally occurring. Like trained in responses, such as maintaining eye contact for at least a moment, appearing engaged, responding to questions in a certain manner.

I was just watching the muscle on the left side of his cheek.
It twitched like crazy in earlier appearance.
I noticed it started to twitch and he seemed to control it with a puffing breath, very very quickly.
He prepared himself, I reckon.
He has nothing else to do except try to second guess the entire justice system/

 

[10ofRods]

Unfortunately that’s usual practice for victims families in murder cases, right?

I have no clue. In this case, it appears that only one of the four families has a lawyer that's challenging the gag order. Is that usual? I don't know.

IMO.

 

[BUF]

Any impressions of BK from the courtroom? In my own opinion, with zero qualifications, he reminds me of someone who has been taught how to interact, rather that it naturally occurring. Like trained in responses, such as maintaining eye contact for at least a moment, appearing engaged, responding to questions in a certain manner.

Did anyone notice that half second smile (smirk) as BK turned his head to his right at his attorney, then quickly turned his his head back. As quickly as that smirk entered his face, it left just as quickly. I saw a cold disconnect. moo

 

[jepop]

There’s been talk of it being done for strategic reasons, but no one has yet cited a case where someone pled ‘not guilty’ early on, and lost options because of that.

On the other hand, you could probably fill a few football stadiums with people who pled ‘not guilty,’ and then plea-bargained.

Idaho doesn’t even have a ‘not guilty by reason of insanity’ plea, I believe.

BK and his attorneys don’t seem to be making any effort to say that he’s not competent to stand trial. Would a plea of ‘not guilty’ even get in the way of that?

So, I think that his choice may well be ‘emotional’—done for his satisfaction.

Trying myself to stay focussed on this line of thinking because I find it interesting and insightful; so by 'done for his satisfaction' I'm thinking done first because it could be done, and then because it pleased him to do it, right? And because it could be done, no reason need be given. So for whatever reasons, it was his pleasure to stay silent (when speculating along these lines). MOO

edited for spelling and grammar

 

[arielilane]

Idaho murder suspect Bryan Kohberger to be arraigned in Latah County court | #HeyJB Live on WFLA Now​

 

[Justice101]

So... give me the Cliff Notes... I've been busy... What happened today? is it over?

 

[10ofRods]

Any impressions of BK from the courtroom? In my own opinion, with zero qualifications, he reminds me of someone who has been taught how to interact, rather that it naturally occurring. Like trained in responses, such as maintaining eye contact for at least a moment, appearing engaged, responding to questions in a certain manner.

What I notice about him, each time I see him, is the "intense" stare. I find myself wondering about VSS, because many people scan a room or a situation several times a minute, and he seems to like staring straight ahead. He turns his body toward his attorney gives a polite smile (both today and in his prior appearance). The smile lasts a couple of seconds, which is why I say polite rather than social. It fades immediately from his face, which is understandable. I think he was the same way with the traffic cop. It seems to me that he has memorized that he's supposed to behave in a certain polite way, as opposed to showing genuine feelings. He may have rehearsed this or it may come naturally to him.

The reason I focus on his stare/rather unblinking gaze, and the fact that he doesn't scan his attorney's face with his eyes or do more than look straight ahead (most of the time) is it would be typical of a couple of the symptoms of VSS (a neurological disorder which, despite what Dateline says, is fairly well understood - although its causes are indeed unclear).

Depersonalization is a frequent symptom of VSS sufferers, meaning that they do not experience themselves or others as persons, as living beings with similar kinds of consciousness. They may feel that they are somewhat robotic or that everyone is somewhat robotic. It can lead to lack of understanding of others' reality and motives. And I suppose it could extend to lack of understanding of one's own motives and inner states, if severe enough. According to what I read, VSS almost never just goes away. People learn to cope better, but there is no known cure and most people in major studies of VSS continue to have symptoms over decades.

Microstructure in patients with visual snow syndrome: an ultra-high field morphological and quantitative MRI study

Strik et al. reveal no evidence of gross brain morphometry changes in people with visual snow syndrome, but report widespread changes in grey matter microstruct

academic.oup.com

Notably, a range of psychiatric symptoms are consistently reported in VSS patients; these include depression and anxiety, (2, 3, 5), as well as fatigue, sleep disturbances (7, 8), and depersonalisation, a dissociative experience involving a sense of estrangement from the body (9). Irritability and difficulty concentrating are also frequent complaints (3). It is currently unclear how these psychiatric symptoms relate to each other or to the visual symptoms of the disorder, and ultimately how they impact quality of life. Since there is no cure or effective treatments available for the visual symptoms of VSS (10), management of psychiatric symptoms offers a viable means to alleviate the burden of VSS and improve patient quality of life.

^this is from: Microstructure in patients with visual snow syndrome: an ultra-high field morphological and quantitative MRI study
This link has freely available web-based text and summarizes some of the major research on VSS. Bolded by me.

IMO.

 

[Dotta]

His silence in Court seems to me cowardly behaviour.

Also, it suggests that he is guilty.
An innocent person would shout "NOT GUILTY".
I'm disgusted by all this.

JMO

 

[10ofRods]

So... give me the Cliff Notes... I've been busy... What happened today? is it over?

It was over quickly. BK stood mute and did not give a plea to the 5 charges (same charges as before). Judge entered a plea for him, of Not Guilty and set trial for Oct 2, with the cooperation of both sides.

IMO.

 

[10ofRods]

His silence in Court seems to me a cowardly behaviour.

Also, it suggests that he is guilty.
An innocent person would shout "NOT GUILTY".
Im disgusted by all this.

JMO

You're disgusted that he didn't say Not Guilty? His attorney has told him not to plead Guilty, I'm sure. Isn't this a compromise? Of course it suggests he's guilty, otherwise he'd say Not Guilty. That's why it's unusual and interesting - but also...could it not be honest?

IMO.

 

[Cindizzi]

The 2nd hearing held today after the arraignment.
Deals with media coverage and gag order.

SECOND HEARING: Bryan Kohberger hearing on gag order and media coverage

A second hearing in the Bryan Kohberger case is underway. This one deals with media coverage and a gag order that has been issued.

www.youtube.com

 

[NuttMegg]

Any impressions of BK from the courtroom? In my own opinion, with zero qualifications, he reminds me of someone who has been taught how to interact, rather that it naturally occurring. Like trained in responses, such as maintaining eye contact for at least a moment, appearing engaged, responding to questions in a certain manner.

Yes, similar to Chris Watts. Always seemingly repeating things he thinks he should say, ie the lack of quality programming, they both seem "off".

BK was making a self-indulgent gesture, which can be interpreted as "in your face", similar to what LS did in court. IMO, and similar to the defendant in the Carroll trial choosing to not show up. Will BK keep it up? Hope so. I think my sensibilities are similar to the "average" juror of his peers.

 

[PrairieWind]

It's all about the gag order, IMO. I believe the Gonçalves family has issues with not getting as much info from the investigation as they would like. I also think they may have thought that they were personally under the gag order. I hope all is made clear to them, and I do understand how they must feel at not being able to know exactly what happend (what the evidence is) about the murder of their daughter.

IMO.

Wasn't Gray representing them before the gag order? I think that what happened (and I'm sorry if this offends some) is that Mr G was making a lot of press statements and was mixing in information given to him by the investigators that wasn't meant to be public. They began dialing back the info they were sharing with him and that is when he started call the Moscow PD cowards and criticizing them.

 

[Betty P]

Wasn't Gray representing them before the gag order? I think that what happened (and I'm sorry if this offends some) is that Mr G was making a lot of press statements and was mixing in information given to him by the investigators that wasn't meant to be public. They began dialing back the info they were sharing with him and that is when he started call the Moscow PD cowards and criticizing them.

Yes I recall that, thinking they would have to stop sharing inside info. IIRC especially in death penalty cases, state has to be very careful about info becoming public or risk a mistrial.

 

[LaborDayRN]

I found it interesting that when BK got up to leave the courtroom there was absolutely zero interaction between him and his attorney. He stood up and walked out never looking at her and she never looked at him. It felt like a very tense situation.

 

[Sister Golden Hair]

Exercising his Constitutional rights should not sway a jury and if it does, then I have even greater concerns about our judicial system than I did before.

MOO.

I actually have a day job that cuts into my free time by about 10 hours a day lol...

BUT I did think I saw that AT actually addressed the issue. Am I right that AT rose and addressed the court?

If so, I'd imagine that was decided in advance, AT made that choice for a reason, and IMO that reason was probably not so that BK could look cold and controlling to the judge and the courtroom. JMO.