4 Univ of Idaho Students Murdered, Bryan Kohberger Arrested, Moscow, Nov 2022 #100

[SpiderFalcon]

Is it something that I have missed?

A knife sheath with his DNA on a use point of that sheath, in the BED of one of the victims, where there are two murdered victims. I'd say that's a HUGE connection. JMO IMO

 

[Charlot123]

A knife sheath with his DNA on a use point of that sheath, in the BED of one of the victims, where there are two murdered victims. I'd say that's a HUGE connection. JMO IMO

I didn’t think of “material” connection or clues. It is still unproven whether he knew either, had crush on any or even thought about them. Following someone on IG means nothing. Likewise, sending messages or answering/not answering. It is Instagram.

 

[iamshadow21]

Lots of information on the YouTube and people in the houses around reported partying and being up all night. It was a weekend in a University town.

This isn't even the first mass killing of students in a university town where a perpetrator snuck in using an unsecured/faulty/easily circumvented entry point in the dead of night. The only person who saw Bundy was - like the surviving witness in this case - someone who saw him pass her in the darkness while leaving. And that was an actual sorority house with dozens of girls sleeping within earshot of the attack, not a sharehouse dwelling with six people spread over three floors that weren't all stacked above each other.

MOO

 

[Megnut]

This isn't even the first mass killing of students in a university town where a perpetrator snuck in using an unsecured/faulty/easily circumvented entry point in the dead of night. The only person who saw Bundy was - like the surviving witness in this case - someone who saw him pass her in the darkness while leaving. And that was an actual sorority house with dozens of girls sleeping within earshot of the attack, not a sharehouse dwelling with six people spread over three floors that weren't all stacked above each other.

MOO

And, while just about everybody had heard of Ted Bundy, BK was keeeeeeeeeeenly interested in prodding the minds of criminals just like him. To a doctoral level.

Perhaps he set out to advance on what others high profile criminals had done.

Thrill-seeking behavior.

Preposterously demented.

JMO

 

[iamshadow21]

And, while just about everybody had heard of Ted Bundy, BK was keeeeeeeeeeenly interested in prodding the minds of criminals just like him. To a doctoral level.

Perhaps he set out to advance on what others high profile criminals had done.

Thrill-seeking behavior.

Preposterously demented.

JMO

He's a bad cover band with bushy eyebrows. A fanboy, not an original. I hope it eats him up.

MOO

 

[Arkay]

It is like, the house was not in the vacuum, there should have been tons of witnesses,

Why should there be tons of witnesses? In a dark house of sleeping people, in the early hours of the morning, in a residential area, in the middle of winter? When a big chunk of the student population had already left for the holidays?

The perpetrator didn't bust in the door with a shotgun while people were wakeful and going about their day. He crept in when he was least likely to run into anyone awake, inside or outside, with a weapon that was close to silent.

MOO

I agree with @iamshadow21.

This house may have been a party house, but at the time of the murders the party was surely over, if they even had one that day.

Maddie and Kaylee were in bed, asleep. Xana and Ethan were in their bedroom. Xana had a single food delivery, not for a house load of guests.

Kaylee had already moved out and was just visiting her buddies.

So, no “tons of witnesses.” Not even an “ounce” of witnesses. Just Murphy, and he isn’t talking.

JMO

 

[arielilane]

Not relevant to this case, nonetheless, thought it interesting that accused killer BK not the first to leave behind a knife sheath during the commission of a crime. Again, will go on record that he made a lot of errors, which will come to light at trial. moo

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They fled with Half Zantop's wallet, which contained about $340 and a list of numbers, but then realized they had left sheaths to their knives at the house. They attempted to go back but saw a police officer was in the driveway. Fingerprints on a knife sheath and a bloody boot print linked them to the crime, but after being questioned by police, they fled and hitchhiked west. They were arrested at an Indiana truck stop weeks later.

 

[girlhasnoname]

I didn’t think of “material” connection or clues. It is still unproven whether he knew either, had crush on any or even thought about them. Following someone on IG means nothing. Likewise, sending messages or answering/not answering. It is Instagram.

It shows BK was aware of one or more of them, plus his 12 drive by trips of the house from August up to the murders made usually late at night. Not just a coincidence, and I don't believe he was just out stargazing in their location.

There will be a connection (stalking IMO) by BK to this house or occupant(s) shown in court. The D can word salad it any way they want pretrial, and the State can keep their information close to the vest. The trial will reveal the whole story.

JMO

 

[Balthazar]

The snap of the knife sheath is a very specific place on the carrying case of the murder weapon, it's the place one needs to touch to get the knife out. The sheath was found beneath/by the upstairs victims, at the crime scene.

The bannister is a high touch common area in the party house, and open to every visitor.

IMO, there simply is no valid explanation for LE to not have investigated the two unknown male blood DNA samples B and D to the fullest including doing IGG. If these samples were touch/transfer DNA, I would be less concerned about them, but they are blood DNA in a situation where the killer or killers are likely to have gotten cut because at least 2 of the victims, KG and MM, are known to have fought for their lives. JMO.

Possible outcomes from unknown male blood DNA sample B mixed with female DNA and I'm going to put a asterisk (*) by every scenario that might tell the investigator more about the crime:
killer and victim*
killer and unknown female*
killer and known female*
unknown male and victim*
unknown male and unknown female*
unknown male and known female*
known male and known female
known male and victim*
known male and unknown female*
Not enough DNA to evaluate/spoiled sample/degraded sample
JMO.

So, out of 10 possible outcomes, 8 outcomes would have likely told the investigators more about this crime, whereas only 2 outcomes would not. JMO.

Unfortunately, we still don't have clarity about exactly where Unknown Male Sample B was located. There are two bannisters for this particular staircase as seen here in photos 1 and 2 of the living room:

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There is the horizontal bannister that leads from the area of XK's bedroom to the living room and the angled bannister that leads down the stairs from the living room to the 1st floor. CSI was seen to take a lot of time in the area of the horizontal bannister that leads from the area of XK's bedroom and do quite a bit of swabbing there. But we still don't know the exact location of the blood mixture. JMO.

Possible outcome from the bloody gloves that CSI found outside of 1122 on Nov. 20 and again, I'm placing asterisks on the outcomes that could further knowledge of what happened for investigators:
Killer*
Unknown Male*
Known Male*

If the DNA on the gloves directly matched the DNA on the sheath, then we know it was likely deposited by the killer. The gloves should be examined for cuts/tears. This could be the actual explanation for how the killer's DNA got on the sheath and from that aspect alone, the bloody gloves are very important. This needs to be answered. JMO.

If the DNA on the gloves did not match a known male visitor to the house, then we know there may have been a second killer. JMO.

If the DNA on the gloves matched a known male visitor, then this would lead to follow up questions about 1. why they had on gloves and were bleeding inside them and 2. why the gloves were outside the house in the aftermath of the murders. Questions could have been asked to exclude Unknown Male DNA D. JMO.

So all of the possible outcomes for Unknown Male DNA D would have added to the knowledge base about the crime. JMO.

You could make a supposition that some party guest cut himself at one time or another, and that would be a good screening question for the investigators to ask DM and BF - "Do you know of a time where one of your male guests cut himself and bled inside the house?" and if the answer is yes, then "Do you know what he did about it?" the answer might be "He went in BF's bathroom to get a bandaid," which might explain the blood on the bannister, however, we don't have any evidence that this question was ever asked of DM or BF. The house was completely remodeled in 2019 and changed from a 1 story house with no stairways to a 3 story house, so it is possible that LE could ask this question of everyone who ever lived in that house since the remodel and even the property manager and/or workmen who have been in that house since the remodel. There is not likely to have been more than 2 dozen residents and a handful of workers since 2019 so it is not too onerous of a job to simply call and ask these questions. But there is no evidence that even this simple investigative task was done. To me, an absence of information is just an absence of information and a sign of a lack of detailed investigation. JMOO.

Now, going back to the sheath, RN says this is the part of the sheath that was swabbed:

So this indicates that the DNA from the sheath may have been from the bottom side of the snap, which is not powder coated. In fact, it is untreated brass which is known to degrade DNA on contact.

Zinc, Not Copper, Is the Major Contributor to DNA Degradation and PCR Inhibition in DNA Samples Contaminated with Brass

Limited success in DNA recovery and STR profiling from brass substrates, such as ammunition, has been ascribed to oxidative damage and/or inhibition caused by c

papers.ssrn.com

https://analyticalsciencejournals.onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1002/elps.202300070

RN also made it clear that the leather portion of the strap was also swabbed in its entirety. There, so far, does not appear to have been an explanation as to exactly where the male DNA was on the snap or leather portion of the strap or if they were swabbed separately. I hope there is further definition of this which will come to light during the trial. It is important for furthering our understanding of the meaning of the touch/transfer DNA in this case. JMO.

All JMO.

 

[sunshineray]

I agree with @iamshadow21.

This house may have been a party house, but at the time of the murders the party was surely over, if they even had one that day.

Maddie and Kaylee were in bed, asleep. Xana and Ethan were in their bedroom. Xana had a single food delivery, not for a house load of guests.

Kaylee had already moved out and was just visiting her buddies.

So, no “tons of witnesses.” Not even an “ounce” of witnesses. Just Murphy, and he isn’t talking.

JMO

And DM, thank goodness that young woman was spared.

 

[Megnut]

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1:38.40

AT: I think probable cause isn't one thing. I hope it's not one thing. I hope there has to be a little bit more than one thing especially when you have another thing that's the same as the one thing.

My head is spinning.

JMO

Quoting myself. Honest question, does anybody know what the heck she was talking about? What's the one thing? What's the other thing? And also, did AT knows what the heck she was talking about?

JMheadspunO

 

[Megnut]

IMO, there simply is no valid explanation for LE to not have investigated the two unknown male blood DNA samples B and D to the fullest including doing IGG. If these samples were touch/transfer DNA, I would be less concerned about them, but they are blood DNA in a situation where the killer or killers are likely to have gotten cut because at least 2 of the victims, KG and MM, are known to have fought for their lives. JMO.

Possible outcomes from unknown male blood DNA sample B mixed with female DNA and I'm going to put a asterisk (*) by every scenario that might tell the investigator more about the crime:
killer and victim*
killer and unknown female*
killer and known female*
unknown male and victim*
unknown male and unknown female*
unknown male and known female*
known male and known female
known male and victim*
known male and unknown female*
Not enough DNA to evaluate/spoiled sample/degraded sample
JMO.

So, out of 10 possible outcomes, 8 outcomes would have likely told the investigators more about this crime, whereas only 2 outcomes would not. JMO.

Unfortunately, we still don't have clarity about exactly where Unknown Male Sample B was located. There are two bannisters for this particular staircase as seen here in photos 1 and 2 of the living room:

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There is the horizontal bannister that leads from the area of XK's bedroom to the living room and the angled bannister that leads down the stairs from the living room to the 1st floor. CSI was seen to take a lot of time in the area of the horizontal bannister that leads from the area of XK's bedroom and do quite a bit of swabbing there. But we still don't know the exact location of the blood mixture. JMO.

Possible outcome from the bloody gloves that CSI found outside of 1122 on Nov. 20 and again, I'm placing asterisks on the outcomes that could further knowledge of what happened for investigators:
Killer*
Unknown Male*
Known Male*

If the DNA on the gloves directly matched the DNA on the sheath, then we know it was likely deposited by the killer. The gloves should be examined for cuts/tears. This could be the actual explanation for how the killer's DNA got on the sheath and from that aspect alone, the bloody gloves are very important. This needs to be answered. JMO.

If the DNA on the gloves did not match a known male visitor to the house, then we know there may have been a second killer. JMO.

If the DNA on the gloves matched a known male visitor, then this would lead to follow up questions about 1. why they had on gloves and were bleeding inside them and 2. why the gloves were outside the house in the aftermath of the murders. Questions could have been asked to exclude Unknown Male DNA D. JMO.

So all of the possible outcomes for Unknown Male DNA D would have added to the knowledge base about the crime. JMO.

You could make a supposition that some party guest cut himself at one time or another, and that would be a good screening question for the investigators to ask DM and BF - "Do you know of a time where one of your male guests cut himself and bled inside the house?" and if the answer is yes, then "Do you know what he did about it?" the answer might be "He went in BF's bathroom to get a bandaid," which might explain the blood on the bannister, however, we don't have any evidence that this question was ever asked of DM or BF. The house was completely remodeled in 2019 and changed from a 1 story house with no stairways to a 3 story house, so it is possible that LE could ask this question of everyone who ever lived in that house since the remodel and even the property manager and/or workmen who have been in that house since the remodel. There is not likely to have been more than 2 dozen residents and a handful of workers since 2019 so it is not too onerous of a job to simply call and ask these questions. But there is no evidence that even this simple investigative task was done. To me, an absence of information is just an absence of information and a sign of a lack of detailed investigation. JMOO.

Now, going back to the sheath, RN says this is the part of the sheath that was swabbed:
View attachment 565920
So this indicates that the DNA from the sheath may have been from the bottom side of the snap, which is not powder coated. In fact, it is untreated brass which is known to degrade DNA on contact.

Zinc, Not Copper, Is the Major Contributor to DNA Degradation and PCR Inhibition in DNA Samples Contaminated with Brass

Limited success in DNA recovery and STR profiling from brass substrates, such as ammunition, has been ascribed to oxidative damage and/or inhibition caused by c

papers.ssrn.com

https://analyticalsciencejournals.onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1002/elps.202300070

RN also made it clear that the leather portion of the strap was also swabbed in its entirety. There, so far, does not appear to have been an explanation as to exactly where the male DNA was on the snap or leather portion of the strap or if they were swabbed separately. I hope there is further definition of this which will come to light during the trial. It is important for furthering our understanding of the meaning of the touch/transfer DNA in this case. JMO.

All JMO.

Or they were not able to build out full profiles.

JMO

 

[Megnut]

IMO, there simply is no valid explanation for LE to not have investigated the two unknown male blood DNA samples B and D to the fullest including doing IGG. If these samples were touch/transfer DNA, I would be less concerned about them, but they are blood DNA in a situation where the killer or killers are likely to have gotten cut because at least 2 of the victims, KG and MM, are known to have fought for their lives. JMO.

Possible outcomes from unknown male blood DNA sample B mixed with female DNA and I'm going to put a asterisk (*) by every scenario that might tell the investigator more about the crime:
killer and victim*
killer and unknown female*
killer and known female*
unknown male and victim*
unknown male and unknown female*
unknown male and known female*
known male and known female
known male and victim*
known male and unknown female*
Not enough DNA to evaluate/spoiled sample/degraded sample
JMO.

So, out of 10 possible outcomes, 8 outcomes would have likely told the investigators more about this crime, whereas only 2 outcomes would not. JMO.

Unfortunately, we still don't have clarity about exactly where Unknown Male Sample B was located. There are two bannisters for this particular staircase as seen here in photos 1 and 2 of the living room:

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There is the horizontal bannister that leads from the area of XK's bedroom to the living room and the angled bannister that leads down the stairs from the living room to the 1st floor. CSI was seen to take a lot of time in the area of the horizontal bannister that leads from the area of XK's bedroom and do quite a bit of swabbing there. But we still don't know the exact location of the blood mixture. JMO.

Possible outcome from the bloody gloves that CSI found outside of 1122 on Nov. 20 and again, I'm placing asterisks on the outcomes that could further knowledge of what happened for investigators:
Killer*
Unknown Male*
Known Male*

If the DNA on the gloves directly matched the DNA on the sheath, then we know it was likely deposited by the killer. The gloves should be examined for cuts/tears. This could be the actual explanation for how the killer's DNA got on the sheath and from that aspect alone, the bloody gloves are very important. This needs to be answered. JMO.

If the DNA on the gloves did not match a known male visitor to the house, then we know there may have been a second killer. JMO.

If the DNA on the gloves matched a known male visitor, then this would lead to follow up questions about 1. why they had on gloves and were bleeding inside them and 2. why the gloves were outside the house in the aftermath of the murders. Questions could have been asked to exclude Unknown Male DNA D. JMO.

So all of the possible outcomes for Unknown Male DNA D would have added to the knowledge base about the crime. JMO.

You could make a supposition that some party guest cut himself at one time or another, and that would be a good screening question for the investigators to ask DM and BF - "Do you know of a time where one of your male guests cut himself and bled inside the house?" and if the answer is yes, then "Do you know what he did about it?" the answer might be "He went in BF's bathroom to get a bandaid," which might explain the blood on the bannister, however, we don't have any evidence that this question was ever asked of DM or BF. The house was completely remodeled in 2019 and changed from a 1 story house with no stairways to a 3 story house, so it is possible that LE could ask this question of everyone who ever lived in that house since the remodel and even the property manager and/or workmen who have been in that house since the remodel. There is not likely to have been more than 2 dozen residents and a handful of workers since 2019 so it is not too onerous of a job to simply call and ask these questions. But there is no evidence that even this simple investigative task was done. To me, an absence of information is just an absence of information and a sign of a lack of detailed investigation. JMOO.

Now, going back to the sheath, RN says this is the part of the sheath that was swabbed:
View attachment 565920
So this indicates that the DNA from the sheath may have been from the bottom side of the snap, which is not powder coated. In fact, it is untreated brass which is known to degrade DNA on contact.

Zinc, Not Copper, Is the Major Contributor to DNA Degradation and PCR Inhibition in DNA Samples Contaminated with Brass

Limited success in DNA recovery and STR profiling from brass substrates, such as ammunition, has been ascribed to oxidative damage and/or inhibition caused by c

papers.ssrn.com

https://analyticalsciencejournals.onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1002/elps.202300070

RN also made it clear that the leather portion of the strap was also swabbed in its entirety. There, so far, does not appear to have been an explanation as to exactly where the male DNA was on the snap or leather portion of the strap or if they were swabbed separately. I hope there is further definition of this which will come to light during the trial. It is important for furthering our understanding of the meaning of the touch/transfer DNA in this case. JMO.

All JMO.

Regardless (of brass/copper) the DNA didn't degrade. They developed a single source profile.

JMO

 

[MassGuy]

IMO, there simply is no valid explanation for LE to not have investigated the two unknown male blood DNA samples B and D to the fullest including doing IGG. If these samples were touch/transfer DNA, I would be less concerned about them, but they are blood DNA in a situation where the killer or killers are likely to have gotten cut because at least 2 of the victims, KG and MM, are known to have fought for their lives. JMO.

Possible outcomes from unknown male blood DNA sample B mixed with female DNA and I'm going to put a asterisk (*) by every scenario that might tell the investigator more about the crime:
killer and victim*
killer and unknown female*
killer and known female*
unknown male and victim*
unknown male and unknown female*
unknown male and known female*
known male and known female
known male and victim*
known male and unknown female*
Not enough DNA to evaluate/spoiled sample/degraded sample
JMO.

So, out of 10 possible outcomes, 8 outcomes would have likely told the investigators more about this crime, whereas only 2 outcomes would not. JMO.

Unfortunately, we still don't have clarity about exactly where Unknown Male Sample B was located. There are two bannisters for this particular staircase as seen here in photos 1 and 2 of the living room:

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There is the horizontal bannister that leads from the area of XK's bedroom to the living room and the angled bannister that leads down the stairs from the living room to the 1st floor. CSI was seen to take a lot of time in the area of the horizontal bannister that leads from the area of XK's bedroom and do quite a bit of swabbing there. But we still don't know the exact location of the blood mixture. JMO.

Possible outcome from the bloody gloves that CSI found outside of 1122 on Nov. 20 and again, I'm placing asterisks on the outcomes that could further knowledge of what happened for investigators:
Killer*
Unknown Male*
Known Male*

If the DNA on the gloves directly matched the DNA on the sheath, then we know it was likely deposited by the killer. The gloves should be examined for cuts/tears. This could be the actual explanation for how the killer's DNA got on the sheath and from that aspect alone, the bloody gloves are very important. This needs to be answered. JMO.

If the DNA on the gloves did not match a known male visitor to the house, then we know there may have been a second killer. JMO.

If the DNA on the gloves matched a known male visitor, then this would lead to follow up questions about 1. why they had on gloves and were bleeding inside them and 2. why the gloves were outside the house in the aftermath of the murders. Questions could have been asked to exclude Unknown Male DNA D. JMO.

So all of the possible outcomes for Unknown Male DNA D would have added to the knowledge base about the crime. JMO.

You could make a supposition that some party guest cut himself at one time or another, and that would be a good screening question for the investigators to ask DM and BF - "Do you know of a time where one of your male guests cut himself and bled inside the house?" and if the answer is yes, then "Do you know what he did about it?" the answer might be "He went in BF's bathroom to get a bandaid," which might explain the blood on the bannister, however, we don't have any evidence that this question was ever asked of DM or BF. The house was completely remodeled in 2019 and changed from a 1 story house with no stairways to a 3 story house, so it is possible that LE could ask this question of everyone who ever lived in that house since the remodel and even the property manager and/or workmen who have been in that house since the remodel. There is not likely to have been more than 2 dozen residents and a handful of workers since 2019 so it is not too onerous of a job to simply call and ask these questions. But there is no evidence that even this simple investigative task was done. To me, an absence of information is just an absence of information and a sign of a lack of detailed investigation. JMOO.

Now, going back to the sheath, RN says this is the part of the sheath that was swabbed:
View attachment 565920
So this indicates that the DNA from the sheath may have been from the bottom side of the snap, which is not powder coated. In fact, it is untreated brass which is known to degrade DNA on contact.

Zinc, Not Copper, Is the Major Contributor to DNA Degradation and PCR Inhibition in DNA Samples Contaminated with Brass

Limited success in DNA recovery and STR profiling from brass substrates, such as ammunition, has been ascribed to oxidative damage and/or inhibition caused by c

papers.ssrn.com

https://analyticalsciencejournals.onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1002/elps.202300070

RN also made it clear that the leather portion of the strap was also swabbed in its entirety. There, so far, does not appear to have been an explanation as to exactly where the male DNA was on the snap or leather portion of the strap or if they were swabbed separately. I hope there is further definition of this which will come to light during the trial. It is important for furthering our understanding of the meaning of the touch/transfer DNA in this case. JMO.

All JMO.

We have no idea what was done in regards to the investigation of that blood evidence, as we haven't been privy to any discussion in that regard. All we know is that at the time, they focused on the one piece of evidence that was most likely to get them to the killer.

This idea that they should use IGG on other DNA samples just isn't grounded in reality. You're lucky if you can get the funding to do it once, let alone secure funding to perform that on multiple samples that are highly unlikely to be related.

Even if you were to do that, you'd simply wind up with some poor who had a nose bleed, or had a drunken fall, or cut his hand messing around. Then the defense would take that information and accuse an innocent person of murder.

That house could have reasonably had hundreds and hundreds of different people coming and going over just a few years. They'll likely never know who that blood belongs to.

 

[Arkay]

Even if you were to do that, you'd simply wind up with some poor *advertiser censored* who had a nose bleed, or had a drunken fall, or cut his hand messing around. Then the defense would take that information and accuse an innocent person of murder.

That house could have reasonably had hundreds and hundreds of different people coming and going over just a few years. They'll likely never know who that blood belongs to.

IMO, there simply is no valid explanation for LE to not have investigated the two unknown male blood DNA samples B and D to the fullest including doing IGG. If these samples were touch/transfer DNA, I would be less concerned about them, but they are blood DNA in a situation where the killer or killers are likely to have gotten cut because at least 2 of the victims, KG and MM, are known to have fought for their lives. JMO.

Possible outcomes from unknown male blood DNA sample B mixed with female DNA and I'm going to put a asterisk (*) by every scenario that might tell the investigator more about the crime:
killer and victim*
killer and unknown female*
killer and known female*
unknown male and victim*
unknown male and unknown female*
unknown male and known female*
known male and known female
known male and victim*
known male and unknown female*
Not enough DNA to evaluate/spoiled sample/degraded sample
JMO.

So, out of 10 possible outcomes, 8 outcomes would have likely told the investigators more about this crime, whereas only 2 outcomes would not. JMO.

Unfortunately, we still don't have clarity about exactly where Unknown Male Sample B was located. There are two bannisters for this particular staircase as seen here in photos 1 and 2 of the living room:

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There is the horizontal bannister that leads from the area of XK's bedroom to the living room and the angled bannister that leads down the stairs from the living room to the 1st floor. CSI was seen to take a lot of time in the area of the horizontal bannister that leads from the area of XK's bedroom and do quite a bit of swabbing there. But we still don't know the exact location of the blood mixture. JMO.

Possible outcome from the bloody gloves that CSI found outside of 1122 on Nov. 20 and again, I'm placing asterisks on the outcomes that could further knowledge of what happened for investigators:
Killer*
Unknown Male*
Known Male*

If the DNA on the gloves directly matched the DNA on the sheath, then we know it was likely deposited by the killer. The gloves should be examined for cuts/tears. This could be the actual explanation for how the killer's DNA got on the sheath and from that aspect alone, the bloody gloves are very important. This needs to be answered. JMO.

If the DNA on the gloves did not match a known male visitor to the house, then we know there may have been a second killer. JMO.

If the DNA on the gloves matched a known male visitor, then this would lead to follow up questions about 1. why they had on gloves and were bleeding inside them and 2. why the gloves were outside the house in the aftermath of the murders. Questions could have been asked to exclude Unknown Male DNA D. JMO.

So all of the possible outcomes for Unknown Male DNA D would have added to the knowledge base about the crime. JMO.

You could make a supposition that some party guest cut himself at one time or another, and that would be a good screening question for the investigators to ask DM and BF - "Do you know of a time where one of your male guests cut himself and bled inside the house?" and if the answer is yes, then "Do you know what he did about it?" the answer might be "He went in BF's bathroom to get a bandaid," which might explain the blood on the bannister, however, we don't have any evidence that this question was ever asked of DM or BF. The house was completely remodeled in 2019 and changed from a 1 story house with no stairways to a 3 story house, so it is possible that LE could ask this question of everyone who ever lived in that house since the remodel and even the property manager and/or workmen who have been in that house since the remodel. There is not likely to have been more than 2 dozen residents and a handful of workers since 2019 so it is not too onerous of a job to simply call and ask these questions. But there is no evidence that even this simple investigative task was done. To me, an absence of information is just an absence of information and a sign of a lack of detailed investigation. JMOO.

Now, going back to the sheath, RN says this is the part of the sheath that was swabbed:
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So this indicates that the DNA from the sheath may have been from the bottom side of the snap, which is not powder coated. In fact, it is untreated brass which is known to degrade DNA on contact.

Zinc, Not Copper, Is the Major Contributor to DNA Degradation and PCR Inhibition in DNA Samples Contaminated with Brass

Limited success in DNA recovery and STR profiling from brass substrates, such as ammunition, has been ascribed to oxidative damage and/or inhibition caused by c

papers.ssrn.com

https://analyticalsciencejournals.onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1002/elps.202300070

RN also made it clear that the leather portion of the strap was also swabbed in its entirety. There, so far, does not appear to have been an explanation as to exactly where the male DNA was on the snap or leather portion of the strap or if they were swabbed separately. I hope there is further definition of this which will come to light during the trial. It is important for furthering our understanding of the meaning of the touch/transfer DNA in this case. JMO.

All JMO.

IMO, all of the above still cannot wash away BK’s DNA on the sheath snap of the murder weapon.

At the utmost, it may possibly signal an accomplice, though I heartily doubt that for a multitude of reasons.

As Judge Hippler reminded repeatedly, nothing can remove BK as the suspect when he left an invisible but identifying portion of himself behind, in the most egregious place he could have left it.

Many of us have remarked on parallels between this case and Abby/Libby.

if Richard Allen had an accomplice, no evidence was verified to support that. Yet nothing could erase him from Libby’s video proving him to be the man that forced them down the hill to their destruction.

Similarly, nothing can exonerate Bryan when he left his DNA in the most shocking place, particularly for a man who claims he was never there.

The victims’ blood was so copious that it leaked out to the exterior of the home.

IMO, if the blood on the handrail belonged to the murderer, I would expect it would appear more than once on that handrail, given how drenching it was. It would likely leave blood on the stairs, as well.

Either the murderer never touched that handrail where his blood was shed just once, or it’s an old splotch that has zero to do with this case.

DM saw just one man and heard just one male voice. There is absolutely no evidence that any accomplice was involved. I do not believe the blood on the handrail was a factor in this murder.

All JMO

 

[al66pine]

BK's 12 Drive-By's Close to House. Morning Hours?

It shows BK was aware of one or more of them, plus his 12 drive by trips of the house from August up to the murders made usually late at night. Not just a coincidence, and I don't believe he was just out stargazing in their location.

There will be a connection (stalking IMO) by BK to this house or occupant(s) shown in court. The D can word salad it any way they want pretrial, and the State can keep their information close to the vest. The trial will reveal the whole story.

JMO

@girlhasnoname Thx for the posting about his drive-by's, which
IIRC PCA described the drive-by's as having occurred "in the early morning hours."

I wondered about that. Early morning hours, like -
- 1, 2, 3 o'clock?
- 5, 6, 7, even 8 o'clock?
- some of both?

Anyone?

 

[jepop]

Lots of information on the YouTube and people in the houses around reported partying and being up all night. It was a weekend in a University town.

Not that night. Have you read the PCA? No party at the house that night. Moo

 

[joe jones]

I don't think the state expected BK to have been provided with such a good defence team, they seem to have hoped to slide past everybody that the FBI were going into areas of the genealogy websites they shouldn't have, and I have always wondered why AT seemed fixated on whether any medical information could be gleaned from FIGG analysis, seems she may be onto something as once a full genome is sequenced there is that website where for approximately 12$ one can upload your file and get a report back about what your genes may indicate your susceptibility to certain illnesses is she seems to have ,mentioned cancer so she has some suspicions that if the FBI were going into prohibited areas of websites they may have also uploaded to the medical website,

I am astonished that the defence has been given so little discovery that pertains to FIGG, they have no idea who did the SNP test to obtain the DNA to have it in a format to upload to the genealogy sites, they have none of the initial labs data, I feel there will be more twists and turns in relation to FIGG before we get to trial

 

[Jade]

Lots of information on the YouTube and people in the houses around reported partying and being up all night. It was a weekend in a University town.

You tube?

Like you said about Insta the You Tubes mean nothing.

We have msm links so we don’t have to turn to You Tubes.

No partying at surrounding residences or the home according msm links.

One neighbor describes it quiet enough to think he may have heard a scream.

(…)

In contrast, the Saturday night leading up to the students deaths, which
Police have characterized as murder, was notably quiet, two neighbors who live in an adjacent apartment told Idaho Statesman. The Idaho Vandals football team had played their final home game of the season that night, drawing many students downtown afterward rather than the neighborhood a few theorized.

(…)

Neighbors to University of Idaho homicides tell of party culture near home, unusually quiet night

MOSCOW, Idaho — Several residents on the block where four University of Idaho students were found dead last month recalled a boisterous party atmosphere in the enclosed neighborhood located just off c

www.columbian.com

The 4:17 security camera does not have any mention of the sound of partying in the area:

Idaho murder timeline: Affidavit reveals how 16 minutes depict shocking scene

Idaho quadruple murder suspect Bryan Kohberger's car is seen on camera driving near the crime scene at 4:04 a.m. and leaving at 4:20 a.m., an affidavit says.

www.fox6now.com

All imo

 

[Balthazar]

We have no idea what was done in regards to the investigation of that blood evidence, as we haven't been privy to any discussion in that regard. All we know is that at the time, they focused on the one piece of evidence that was most likely to get them to the killer.

We do have an idea. Lead detective BP told us at the hearing on Jan 23 they did not do IGG on the unknown male blood DNA samples and set it aside in case the IGG on the touch/transfer DNA on the sheath did not pan out.


JMO.

This idea that they should use IGG on other DNA samples just isn't grounded in reality. You're lucky if you can get the funding to do it once, let alone secure funding to perform that on multiple samples that are highly unlikely to be related.

Money should be the absolute last thing that LE worries about in investigating such a high profile crime in which 4 people were killed. Of course they should have used IGG on both unknown male blood samples. It is an outrage that it was not done. I have already proven that Unknown Male B DNA and Unknown Male D DNA ARE highly likely to further the investigation. 80% likelihood for B and 100% likelihood for D. JMO.

Even if you were to do that, you'd simply wind up with some poor *advertiser censored* who had a nose bleed, or had a drunken fall, or cut his hand messing around. Then the defense would take that information and accuse an innocent person of murder.

Nonsense. What was done appears to be be steering the investigation towards one very, very weak piece of evidence instead of allowing the investigation to go where it will and reveal the truth, no matter what it is. JMO.

That house could have reasonably had hundreds and hundreds of different people coming and going over just a few years. They'll likely never know who that blood belongs to.

Nonsense. There was and is no reason this cannot and more importantly should not be investigated. JMO.

This failure to fully follow the evidence means that there can be no justice for the victims and their families and that is absolutely horrible and should be completely and totally unacceptable to anyone who believes in justice and wants the victims and their families to receive justice. JMO.

All JMO.