4 Univ of Idaho Students Murdered, Bryan Kohberger Arrested, Moscow, Nov 2022 #100

[StarryStarryNight]

I have a Grandson who is Autistic. And for much of his life was nonverbal with a host of other factors that play into his disability. So if this is one of BK D teams attempt to pull some other tricks out of their bag to throw at the wall to see if it will stick just makes me kind of sick to my stomach. JMO!

You are totally correct.
Defense teams playing that game should know better. They think sticking a label on him will solve everything.
Perpetuating the thinking that different acting people are the cause of bad things that happen, a la Salem back in 1692.

 

[Megnut]

Where did you find information that BK has been suicidal? I have not seen anything like that. I hate to ask, but do you have a link? I'd like to find out more.

Idaho murder suspect Bryan Kohberger said he had no emotion and could do 'whatever I want with little remorse' in old forum posts

Bryan Kohberger, the suspect in the murders of four University of Idaho students, wrote candid posts on the forum Tapatalk in 2011.

www.businessinsider.com

 

[vls12345]

I'm never find it now but iirc wasn't that a relevation from the transcript/released documents? That it was a lone print?

All this time, I assumed only one print was cited in the PCA not because there was only one but because of the relevance/location.

The transcript reads like there was one and only one print. Which makes zero sense, granted.

Anybody else read/remember it that way?

JMO

The single shoe print...

Since there was a delay in reporting the murders, DM and BF had friends over before LE were called, perhaps it's possible that any other "usable" prints were messed up by other (innocent) prints crossing over them? Leaving just the one clear, latent print?

Also, I know first responders are careful, but could they have also walked over other latent prints (especially initially as they got to the house and were realizing the extent of the crime scene), causing just the single print to be the unadulterated one?

MOO.

 

[MassGuy]

I remember it being a lone shoe print with none before or after AND it was invisible to the naked eye. I've wondered if the shoe print could have been applied like a rubber stamp to the floor. The shoe print was only found via extra testing with amido black after CSI had finished with the house and then was sent back out to the house for some reason - I assume LE was trying to verify what DM and/or BF had told them since they focused on the area outside of DM's bedroom door where she claimed the man she saw was. Was the area cleaned so thoroughly that no other print remained? Did they type the blood found on the shoe print and determine if it may have been that of one or more of the victims? It IS a very strange piece of evidence, IMO. I'm hoping we will eventually get an explanation for it.

All JMO.

If BK stayed to clean, he probably would have picked up the sheath.

I’m convinced this print exists because he was wearing booties. A footprint can be valuable evidence.

 

[Megnut]

The single shoe print...

Since there was a delay in reporting the murders, DM and BF had friends over before LE were called, perhaps it's possible that any other "usable" prints were messed up by other (innocent) prints crossing over them? Leaving just the one clear, latent print?

Also, I know first responders are careful, but could they have also walked over other latent prints (especially initially as they got to the house and were realizing the extent of the crime scene), causing just the single print to be the unadulterated one?

MOO.

That makes a lot of sense.

Not the "only" footprint, just the only recoverable one.

JMO

 

[arielilane]

@kfixler

ICYMI: Defense for #BryanKohberger files to bar evidence at #Idaho4 murder, including eyewitness detail of "bushy eyebrows," make/model of suspect's vehicle, expert testimony on touch #DNA and #IGG. Prosecutors want his alibi, mental health claims limited.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1894807598689665306

 

[mickey2942]

I don't particularly like the term "autistic", because it is used so frequently now, that the actual diagnosis and specific etiology has been lost.

It is probably better, in the context of BK, to go with "Neurodivergent".

Neurodiversity - Wikipedia

en.m.wikipedia.org

 

[Megnut]

@kfixler

ICYMI: Defense for #BryanKohberger files to bar evidence at #Idaho4 murder, including eyewitness detail of "bushy eyebrows," make/model of suspect's vehicle, expert testimony on touch #DNA and #IGG. Prosecutors want his alibi, mental health claims limited.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1894807598689665306

Imagine that.

First AT wants to discredit DM's testimony. Now she wants to cut off BK's eyebrows. (Which it appears they're actually doing.)

On what grounds would that be limited????? DM gave that detail long before anyone was named a suspect!

Because she was sleepy? Had been drinking? Couldn't be sure what she saw? May have been mistaken about who said what and who was on the stairs? I'd say that her description is confirmed by the arrest. There IS something distinct and memorable about BK's dark high brow.

Eyebrows stay.

JMO

 

[Balthazar]

Exactly.

AT didn't say he was star gazing THAT night, just that he had. To establish custom. Nothing creepy about driving around late at night.

The alibi she floated was: he was driving in Moscow, just not 'over there'. And his cellphone records would support that. I think she is trying to suggest he was in a different white car on the far side of Moscow and had no cell coverage. Unsupported by evidence so she represented to the judge that they didn't yet have all the evidence.

That alibi structure has been dismantled. Because the moment she mouthed it, the Prosecution refuted it.

Phone wasn't out of range. It was OFF.

State has enough images, grainy though they may be, to create a map, consistent with migration from Pullman to Moscow. She still will -- she'll ask the jury to wonder why they'd no video of the Elentra, here or there, as if somehow there's a way to interpret it, rising to a level of doubt.

Even her argument that the car was nosed away from Moscow fails the double park. The mystery 7 minutes or 5 or whatever, no mystery. I'm guessing BK left campus twice. Once, leaving away from Moscow before circling back. The judge himself asked her how it's significant (nosing out the other way) when it's a whole hour before the crimes.

What difference if he left to the west if he ultimately headed east before reaching 1122 King? The route isn't on trial. Even if the State doesn't have the route fully articulated, it doesn't mean he didn't get there.

Maybe BK will take the stand (doubt it) and sweatered ninjas will get another work out.

I can't see where she's going to be successful with either motion, SODDI or alibi. Instead I see the judge granting her SOME latitude on cross examination.

JMO

I believe you are mistaken about the alibi. The alibi was that BK was West and South of Moscow the entire night. She also stated he went to Wawaiwai Park which is out of cell-range.

Bryan Kohberger's alibi ripped apart in Idaho prosecutors' 'temper tantrum'

Idaho student murders suspect Bryan Kohberger's "alibi" that he was driving around looking at "the moon and stars," is too vague, according to prosecutors.

www.fox13seattle.com

All, JMO.

 

[Balthazar]

Thank you!

Context is his heroin use:

“I only used when I was in a deep suicidal state,” The Times reported Kohberger wrote to Baylis. “I have since really learned a lot. Not a person alive could convince me to use it.”

https://amp.idahostatesman.com/news/local/crime/article272531864.html

 

[Megnut]

I believe you are mistaken about the alibi. The alibi was that BK was West and South of Moscow the entire night. She also stated he went to Wawaiwai Park which is out of cell-range.

Bryan Kohberger's alibi ripped apart in Idaho prosecutors' 'temper tantrum'

Idaho student murders suspect Bryan Kohberger's "alibi" that he was driving around looking at "the moon and stars," is too vague, according to prosecutors.

www.fox13seattle.com

All, JMO.

Correcto. Nothing about star-gazing. I purposefully didn't draw the word map for where AT says she's going to put BK because I'm bad at maps, bad at cardinal points.

I just find her alibi convenient. To put him ostensibly where there are no cameras and claim cell coverage accounts for his phone not reporting.

The evidence will show IMO that his cell phone was off.

And I don't necessarily disagree with her. BK probably WAS west and south of Moscow and in/near Wawaiwai Park. He was just also right by 1122.

JMO

 

[arielilane]

In a sweeping blow to Bryan Kohbergers defense team the Judge in Boise denied all motions to suppress evidence against him, including DNA. The filing also included several new details about what happened the night four University of Idaho Students were murdered



The filing says that the surviving roommate identified as DM told authorities she thought she heard Kaylee Goncalves walking upstairs with her dog before running back down the stairs saying, “someone’s here.” (around 4:00AM)


Kaylees father tells me - " I wasn't there, but I think that that may have happened." A struggle, a thud and a whimper were heard on a nearby camera at 4:17AM



The roommate also said the man she saw in the house that night was carrying a "vacuum-type object in his hand.”


Also, Kohbergers defense team has argued that his late night arrest was aggressive - and unnecessary but the filing reveals that officers surveilling him at the time thought he was "potentially destroying evidence from the vehicle that was related to the homicides”

https://twitter.com/x/status/1892726957088899332

 

[imstilla.grandma]

Kohberger’s defense team has dramatically shifted strategies, bringing in renowned DNA expert Bicka Barlowto challenge the prosecution’s key evidence. Barlow, a geneticist-turned-attorney, has made a career out of dismantling forensic DNA methods in court, and her presence signals that the defense is betting everything on undermining the science itself.

Bryan Kohberger’s Defense Just Got Stronger – Meet the DNA Expert Fighting for Him - The Idaho Murders | The Case Against Bryan Kohberger | iHeart

<div>In a stunning development, newly unsealed court transcripts reveal <strong>how FBI investigators used Investigative Genetic Genealogy (IGG) to identify Bryan Kohberger</strong> as a suspect in the Idaho murders. This previously hidden evidence exposes the <strong>controversial DNA...

www.iheart.com

 

[imstilla.grandma]

The defense countered with efforts to have the judge limit a witness from describing a male suspect with “bushy eyebrows,” the make and model of the suspect’s vehicle and expert testimony over the type of DNA found at the crime scene that police allege matches Kohberger.

https://www.thenewstribune.com/news/state/article300954594.html

“I do not know how you can say that you have an alibi, and then also say there’s a mental health defense as well,” Elcox said. “It’ll be interesting to see what those arguments are, because … to get there, you’re going to have to admit some sort of culpability, otherwise it doesn’t matter if he just wasn’t there.”

https://www.idahostatesman.com/news/local/crime/article300954594.html

 

[Rolypolyoly]

I've raised a frypan...and attempted a strike...against a flying cockroach! Have also raised my fists against one brother as teens over the teeve remote control, lol. All to say, I do agree the phone stealing incident by teenage BK has no place in this trial. Moo

My older sister electrocuted me on purpose when I was 4, I literally shot off the top bunk , she still finds it hilarious now lol, she better hope she never gives in to the urge to murder now

 

[Boxer]

Imagine that.

First AT wants to discredit DM's testimony. Now she wants to cut off BK's eyebrows. (Which it appears they're actually doing.)

On what grounds would that be limited????? DM gave that detail long before anyone was named a suspect!

Because she was sleepy? Had been drinking? Couldn't be sure what she saw? May have been mistaken about who said what and who was on the stairs? I'd say that her description is confirmed by the arrest. There IS something distinct and memorable about BK's dark high brow.

Eyebrows stay.

JMO

Yes. They are prominent AND bushy when not trimmed.

 

[mrjitty]

Correcto. Nothing about star-gazing. I purposefully didn't draw the word map for where AT says she's going to put BK because I'm bad at maps, bad at cardinal points.

I just find her alibi convenient. To put him ostensibly where there are no cameras and claim cell coverage accounts for his phone not reporting.

The evidence will show IMO that his cell phone was off.

And I don't necessarily disagree with her. BK probably WAS west and south of Moscow and in/near Wawaiwai Park. He was just also right by 1122.

JMO

I think her problem is how will she ‘say’ this.

Only admissible evidence can be used to get this on the table. and only one person can really give that evidence.

 

[Megnut]

Yes. They are prominent AND bushy when not trimmed.

And that brow ridge is dominant. Even if he shaved his eyebrows off, the sharpness and shadow still gives the impression of bushy eyebrows.

JMO

 

[wendy44]

IMO, I also don't think he intentionally left it behind because he is smart enough to know that, even if he thoroughly cleaned it, there would always be the chance he missed something that ties him to it.

In addition, I suspect that his trip BACK to the site of the murders at around 9 in the morning was NOT to observe LE in action investigating his crime, but was instead to see if he'd dropped the sheath near where he'd shed his murder suit or, if a different place, near where he'd returned to his vehicle after the murders. He likely hoped he could find it before LE did. My guess is that BK had discovered the sheath was missing after he'd driven south and reached the predetermined location where he was unpacking the clothing he'd worn during the murder and other evidence (possibly the knife) to prep for disposal.

Do I remember correctly that his phone location indicated he had spent around 20 minutes after stopping somewhere near Blaine?

Yes, and he also apparently went back east the evening of the 13th, where his phone stopped reporting to the network for 3 hours:

Additional analysis of records for the 8458 Phone indicated that between approximately 5:32 p.m. and 5:36 p.m., the 8458 Phone utilized cellular resources that provide coverage to Johnson, ID. The 8458 Phone then stops reporting to the network from approximately 5:36 p.m.to 8:30 p.m. That is consistent with the 8458 Phone being the area that the 8458 Phone traveled in the hours immediately following the suspected time the homicides occurred.

I would have to go back and look at her precise language, but I'm not sure how AT can claim BK didn't go east when, at 4:48am, his phone started reporting to the network again near Blaine and is tracked traveling west toward Pullman. This is only a half hour after the murders.

The 8458 Phone does not report to the network again until approximately 4:48 a.m. at which time it utilized cellular resources that provide coverage to ID state highway 95 south of Moscow, ID near Blaine, ID (north of Genesee). Between 4:50 a.m. and 5:26 a.m., the phone utilizes cellular resources that are consistent with the 8458 Phone traveling south on ID state highway 95 to Genesee, ID, then traveling west towards Uniontown, ID, and then north back into Pullman, WA. At approximately 5:30 a.m., the 8458 Phone is utilizing resources that provide coverage to Pullman, WA and consistent with the phone traveling back to the Kohberger Residence

In the alibi response she says this, but I can't recall what she specifically has said in court:

Mr. Kohberger intends to offer testimony of Sy Ray, CSLI expert, (cell tower, cell phone and other radio frequency, curricula vitae is attached) to show that Bryan Kohberger’s mobile device was south of Pullman, Washington and west of Moscow, Idaho on November 13, 2022; that Bryan Kohberger’s mobile device did not travel east on the Moscow-Pullman Highway in the early morning hours of November 13th, and thus could not be the vehicle captured on video along the Moscow-Pullman highway near Floyd’s Cannabis shop.

JMO

https://static.foxnews.com/foxnews.com/content/uploads/2023/01/122922-Affidavit-Exhibit-A-Statement-of-Brett-Payne.pdf

https://coi.isc.idaho.gov/docs/CR29-22-2805/2024/041724-Notice-Defendants-Supplemental-Response-States-AD.pdf

 

[Megnut]

Yes, and he also apparently went back east the evening of the 13th, where his phone stopped reporting to the network for 3 hours:

Additional analysis of records for the 8458 Phone indicated that between approximately 5:32 p.m. and 5:36 p.m., the 8458 Phone utilized cellular resources that provide coverage to Johnson, ID. The 8458 Phone then stops reporting to the network from approximately 5:36 p.m.to 8:30 p.m. That is consistent with the 8458 Phone being the area that the 8458 Phone traveled in the hours immediately following the suspected time the homicides occurred.

I would have to go back and look at her precise language, but I'm not sure how AT can claim BK didn't go east when, at 4:48am, his phone started reporting to the network again near Blaine and is tracked traveling west toward Pullman. This is only a half hour after the murders.

The 8458 Phone does not report to the network again until approximately 4:48 a.m. at which time it utilized cellular resources that provide coverage to ID state highway 95 south of Moscow, ID near Blaine, ID (north of Genesee). Between 4:50 a.m. and 5:26 a.m., the phone utilizes cellular resources that are consistent with the 8458 Phone traveling south on ID state highway 95 to Genesee, ID, then traveling west towards Uniontown, ID, and then north back into Pullman, WA. At approximately 5:30 a.m., the 8458 Phone is utilizing resources that provide coverage to Pullman, WA and consistent with the phone traveling back to the Kohberger Residence

In the alibi response she says this, but I can't recall what she specifically has said in court:

Mr. Kohberger intends to offer testimony of Sy Ray, CSLI expert, (cell tower, cell phone and other radio frequency, curricula vitae is attached) to show that Bryan Kohberger’s mobile device was south of Pullman, Washington and west of Moscow, Idaho on November 13, 2022; that Bryan Kohberger’s mobile device did not travel east on the Moscow-Pullman Highway in the early morning hours of November 13th, and thus could not be the vehicle captured on video along the Moscow-Pullman highway near Floyd’s Cannabis shop.

JMO

https://static.foxnews.com/foxnews.com/content/uploads/2023/01/122922-Affidavit-Exhibit-A-Statement-of-Brett-Payne.pdf

https://coi.isc.idaho.gov/docs/CR29-22-2805/2024/041724-Notice-Defendants-Supplemental-Response-States-AD.pdf

Rbbm

Doh.

His phone was probably OFF at that time so that only shows why his phone can't corroborate his travel.

Fortunately the cctv shows what his turned off phone never could.

She's using false logic and she knows it!

JMO