4 Univ of Idaho Students Murdered, Bryan Kohberger Arrested, Moscow, Nov 2022 #100

[Boxer]

Yes, and he also apparently went back east the evening of the 13th, where his phone stopped reporting to the network for 3 hours:

Additional analysis of records for the 8458 Phone indicated that between approximately 5:32 p.m. and 5:36 p.m., the 8458 Phone utilized cellular resources that provide coverage to Johnson, ID. The 8458 Phone then stops reporting to the network from approximately 5:36 p.m.to 8:30 p.m. That is consistent with the 8458 Phone being the area that the 8458 Phone traveled in the hours immediately following the suspected time the homicides occurred.

I would have to go back and look at her precise language, but I'm not sure how AT can claim BK didn't go east when, at 4:48am, his phone started reporting to the network again near Blaine and is tracked traveling west toward Pullman. This is only a half hour after the murders.

The 8458 Phone does not report to the network again until approximately 4:48 a.m. at which time it utilized cellular resources that provide coverage to ID state highway 95 south of Moscow, ID near Blaine, ID (north of Genesee). Between 4:50 a.m. and 5:26 a.m., the phone utilizes cellular resources that are consistent with the 8458 Phone traveling south on ID state highway 95 to Genesee, ID, then traveling west towards Uniontown, ID, and then north back into Pullman, WA. At approximately 5:30 a.m., the 8458 Phone is utilizing resources that provide coverage to Pullman, WA and consistent with the phone traveling back to the Kohberger Residence

In the alibi response she says this, but I can't recall what she specifically has said in court:

Mr. Kohberger intends to offer testimony of Sy Ray, CSLI expert, (cell tower, cell phone and other radio frequency, curricula vitae is attached) to show that Bryan Kohberger’s mobile device was south of Pullman, Washington and west of Moscow, Idaho on November 13, 2022; that Bryan Kohberger’s mobile device did not travel east on the Moscow-Pullman Highway in the early morning hours of November 13th, and thus could not be the vehicle captured on video along the Moscow-Pullman highway near Floyd’s Cannabis shop.

JMO

https://static.foxnews.com/foxnews.com/content/uploads/2023/01/122922-Affidavit-Exhibit-A-Statement-of-Brett-Payne.pdf

https://coi.isc.idaho.gov/docs/CR29-22-2805/2024/041724-Notice-Defendants-Supplemental-Response-States-AD.pdf

Right. Just to start with Blaine is south east (SE) of Moscow Idaho, and Genesee is SSE.
This means Sy is specifically there to refute the near Blaine and Genesee pings.

She is building a case with idea the DNA will be ultimately supressed on appeal.

 

[al66pine]

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@Rolypolyoly
Even if your sister never gives in to the urge of murder or other grievous crimes, doubtful that she should put your name first on list of potential ORGAN DONORS if she needs a kidney transplant.

Just guessin. ICBW.

 

[fcavanaugh]

Yup. A cell phone didn't drive his car.
Last I knew, cell phones can be turned off then left anywhere.

So his alibi could actually backfire.

If the defense's cell expert says that BK's phone data proves he wasn't near King Rd at 4:00 am, then how do they prove that BK was with his cell phone?

You can't be separated from your cell phone?

BK couldn't turn off and leave his cell phone far away from King Rd ?

His cell phone can drive his car? Is this a new Musk invention?

2 Cents

Agree a cellphone didn’t drive his car. Yes cellphones can be turned off and left anywhere.

Yes I believe his alibi will, if it hasn’t already based on known facts (to my mind it has), backfire/d.

To prove he was with his cellphone they’d need surveillance footage showing him and his cellphone at same time and place he claimed to be, and/or an eyewitness than can back up/testify to him being at that place at that time.

Yes a person can absolutely be separated from their cellphone.

Yes BK could have turned off his phone and left it far away from King Road.

No his cellphone cannot drive his car.
Not that I’m aware of lol.

IMHOO

 

[Cool Cats]

The defense countered with efforts to have the judge limit a witness from describing a male suspect with “bushy eyebrows,” the make and model of the suspect’s vehicle and expert testimony over the type of DNA found at the crime scene that police allege matches Kohberger.

https://www.thenewstribune.com/news/state/article300954594.html

“I do not know how you can say that you have an alibi, and then also say there’s a mental health defense as well,” Elcox said. “It’ll be interesting to see what those arguments are, because … to get there, you’re going to have to admit some sort of culpability, otherwise it doesn’t matter if he just wasn’t there.”

https://www.idahostatesman.com/news/local/crime/article300954594.html

Good catch.

 

[Boxer]

Yup. A cell phone didn't drive his car.
Last I knew, cell phones can be turned off then left anywhere.

So his alibi could actually backfire.

If the defense's cell expert says that BK's phone data proves he wasn't near King Rd at 4:00 am, then how do they prove that BK was with his cell phone?

You can't be separated from your cell phone?

BK couldn't turn off and leave his cell phone far away from King Rd ?

His cell phone can drive his car? Is this a new Musk invention?

2 Cents

He could leave it where he had dug a hole to drop the knife and a hefty bag of shoes and clothes.

There is missing time on going to Moscow and leaving Moscow that indicate a little side trip.
Tossing his knife in the a river might be prudent, but there is the souvienir factor to consider.

 

[Cool Cats]

He could leave it where he had dug a hole to drop the knife and a hefty bag of shoes and clothes.

There is missing time on going to Moscow and leaving Moscow that indicate a little side trip.
Tossing his knife in the a river might be prudent, but there is the souvienir factor to consider.

Yes, and his alibi proves he was out of his apartment driving a working car with the opportunity to drive to Moscow at 4:00 am. .... just what the prosecution says.

So I see a pivot here by the defense.

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[imstilla.grandma]

In his new alibi filing, his lawyers say they plan to dispute this data

Explosive new DNA evidence that could see Bryan Kohberger walk free

Murder suspect Bryan Kohberger's defense attorneys made a stunning claim in court that threatens to upend the prosecution against him for the murders of four students.

www.dailymail.co.uk

 

[imstilla.grandma]

Eventually, the FBI “admitted they had uploaded to MyHeritage” – a database off-limits to law enforcement, Larkin said, citing a document shared with the court.

But Goncalves’ family expressed relief that the judge did not suppress the genetic genealogy evidence.

“We are thankful to the Court for a timely decision and appreciate the work [the] prosecution has put in thus far,” the family posted on Facebook last week.

“In the big picture of life, justice is just moments away.”

https://www.cnn.com/2025/02/25/us/bryan-kohberger-hearing-idaho-students-stabbing/index.html

 

[Balthazar]

Good catch.

I'm thinking it is not so much a mental health defense as an explanation for some of BK's allegedly "mysterious behaviors" which the FBI/LE saw as signs of "guilt" or trying to hide his DNA, such as allegedly wearing gloves while sorting trash, sorting trash into baggies and shopping in PA. JMO.

 

[Balthazar]

BBM

How can this be true though if his phone started reporting to the network again at 4:48am near Blaine, Idaho, which is East of Moscow?
JMO

According to the map Blaine is nearly 3 hours south of Moscow and perhaps 1.3 miles east of Moscow. So, yes, he would have been West and then South of Moscow. IF he was on 95, then he was in line with Moscow and his phone accessed the cell tower in Blaine.

 

[Boxer]

In his new alibi filing, his lawyers say they plan to dispute this data

Explosive new DNA evidence that could see Bryan Kohberger walk free

Murder suspect Bryan Kohberger's defense attorneys made a stunning claim in court that threatens to upend the prosecution against him for the murders of four students.

www.dailymail.co.uk

MOO hopefully the random DNA will nit upend anything- I dont see dhy it should.
The defense has almost endless taxpayers dollars - so they should get a genealogy done on the "up-ending" sample from the bannister between the first and second floors, where no-one thinks the perp ever was.

 

[Boxer]

According to the map Blaine is nearly 3 hours south of Moscow and perhaps 1.3 miles east of Moscow. So, yes, he would have been West and then South of Moscow. IF he was on 95, then he was in line with Moscow and his phone accessed the cell tower in Blaine.

Accoring to Google Maps,
Blaine tower is 14 minutes (8.6 miles) down i95 to the south east of Moscow.

 

[Cool Cats]

I'm thinking it is not so much a mental health defense as an explanation for some of BK's allegedly "mysterious behaviors" which the FBI/LE saw as signs of "guilt" or trying to hide his DNA, such as allegedly wearing gloves while sorting trash, sorting trash into baggies and shopping in PA. JMO.

The Mental Health Motion is trying to get the death penalty dismissed if he gets convicted.

That autism is the reason to give him LWOP instead of death.

Actually this can backfire. Saying he has "diminished capacity" helps explain what helped him do it. In other words:

"I just can't believe he did this without knowing his motive."

His autism goes hand in hand with his motive.

2 Cents

 

[Arkay]

I'm thinking it is not so much a mental health defense as an explanation for some of BK's allegedly "mysterious behaviors" which the FBI/LE saw as signs of "guilt" or trying to hide his DNA, such as allegedly wearing gloves while sorting trash, sorting trash into baggies and shopping in PA. JMO.

I can understand if someone is a germaphobe, for example, wearing gloves to sort the trash.

What I CANNOT understand is subsequently disposing of one’s trash in the NEIGHBOR’S garbage.

It definitely implies he had something to hide—since he was, after all, hiding something.

What has to be hidden? The police aren’t going to care about his crumpled bag of potato chips, his empty milk carton or whatever. They are looking for DNA and he knows it. Hence the attempted switcheroo.

IMO

 

[imstilla.grandma]

*Autism defense failed before here in these examples:

The man convicted of killing nine people at Mother Emanuel AME Church in Charleston, South Carolina, tried to use autism as a defense. It didn't work.

U.S. Court of Appeals for the Fourth Circuit upheld the convictions and death sentence for Dylann Roof Wednesday with a 149-page per curiam opinion

https://www.law.com/2021/08/26/why-the-autism-defense-failed-in-charleston-shooter-dylann-roofs-appeal/

Defense attorney Boris Bytensky argued his client's autism disorder rendered him incapable of developing empathy and therefore unaware of the consequences of his actions, the CBC reported. Justice Anne Molloy immediately dismissed that as a defense

https://www.npr.org/2021/03/03/973460622/-no-remorse-torontos-van-attack-killer-found-guilty-of-1st-degree-murder

That disorder, which wasn’t diagnosed at the time, caused Lawler to misinterpret the officers’ intentions and led him to believe he was in danger and needed to fight for his life, his attorneys argued.

The disorder also caused him to behave in a way that may seem inappropriate when he testified at his trial and again when he was interviewed recently by investigators for the State Board of Pardons and Paroles, his lawyers wrote in a clemency application. Because of his autism, they wrote, he “has often been mistakenly perceived as cold, callous, or remorseless.”

Georgia executes cop killer after autism defense rejected

Gregory Lawler also critically wounded 2nd officer; courts didn't buy last-minute lawyers' argument that his having autism helped explain his actions

www.cbsnews.com

 

[Cool Cats]

MOO hopefully the random DNA will nit upend anything- I dont see dhy it should.
The defense has almost endless taxpayers dollars - so they should get a genealogy done on the "up-ending" sample from the bannister between the first and second floors, where no-one thinks the perp ever was.

I don't understand the rationale. I would expect there would be DNA all over the house from months and months of visitors. And, to be clear, from visitors who had full access to the bloody crime scenes before LE even arrived.

2 Cents

 

[wendy44]

According to the map Blaine is nearly 3 hours south of Moscow and perhaps 1.3 miles east of Moscow. So, yes, he would have been West and then South of Moscow. IF he was on 95, then he was in line with Moscow and his phone accessed the cell tower in Blaine.

The PCA specifically says "north of Genesee"--it refers to Blaine, ID, not Blaine County ID. So how could that statement be true (BK was west and south of Moscow the entire night) if within a half hour of the crime his phone starts reporting to the network east of Moscow?

JMO

 

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[SteveP]

I don't understand the rationale. I would expect there would be DNA all over the house from months and months of visitors. And, to be clear, from visitors who had full access to the bloody crime scenes before LE even arrived.

2 Cents

The unknown male DNA from the blood sample on the banister is yet another string of spaghetti, thrown against the wall, by the defense in hopes that it may stick, and cast doubt on BK's guilt, may point to someone else, anyone else. That blood spot could have been left by any male who had been in that house over the course of probably many months, and it was in a part of the house that the killer was not even known to have been. No amount of DNA anywhere in a house of socially active college students changes the fact that BK's DNA, and only BK's DNA, was found, on the sheath of the knife that was used to murder the four young people, and was found in the bed of two of them, not on some random handrail in a part of the house away from any of the murders.

At this point, the defense is hoping that, if enough strings are thrown against the wall, something may stick. I would suggest that they are going to need a lot more spaghetti.

 

[LinasK]

Yes. They are prominent AND bushy when not trimmed.

Can't the prosecution just hold up a picture of him with bushy eyebrows?