4 Univ of Idaho Students Murdered, Bryan Kohberger Arrested, Moscow, Nov 2022 #101

[Rolypolyoly]

They did a DNA test on it which shows if it is XY or XX. Why would they test it against BK IF it was female DNA? That wouldn't make sense. So obviously its must have been XY and it's not BK and I'm going to say I don't think it could be EC because they would have done a DNA test on him for exclusionary purposes and well as on all female victims for exclusionary purposes. This is a mixture that includes male DNA in blood on the sheath that does not match BK.

Again, that doesn't say they tested it against Kohberger, they just say he's excluded. If it's female DNA then of course BK is excluded, because he isn't female.

ETA- I've got further down and see many people have already made this point. Apologies for repeating it, still playing catchup

 

[fcavanaugh]

IMO, interesting article legal experts weighing in on the case r/t ASD and how it could impact the guilt and penalty phase at trial.

Snipped from article at link below and purple BBM:

Could Autism Diagnosis Help Bryan Kohberger's Defense?​

Legal experts are weighing in on whether introducing autism spectrum disorder (ASD) as a defense could impact Bryan Kohberger's murder case.

Kohberger's lawyers filed a motion on February 24 to strike the death penalty from his case, citing autism spectrum disorder.

In the motion, defense attorney Anne Taylor argued that Kohberger's autism spectrum disorder (ASD) "reduces his culpability, negates the retributive and deterrent purposes of capital punishment, and exposes him to the unacceptable risk that he will be wrongfully convicted and sentenced to death."

Why It Matters​

Kohberger is accused of fatally stabbing University of Idaho students Madison Mogen, Kaylee Goncalves, Xana Kernodle, and Ethan Chapin in an off-campus residence in Moscow, Idaho, in 2022.

What To Know​

David Leroy, former attorney general and lieutenant governor of Idaho, and Neama Rahmani, former federal prosecutor and the president of West Coast Trial Lawyers spoke to Newsweek about how the introduction of Kohberger's ASD diagnosis could affect the case.

Leroy said ASD could be considered a mitigating factor during sentencing. Mitigating factors are typically presented by the defense and can include upbringing, mental health conditions and general character.

All kinds of circumstances become relevant, and certainly, the autism spectrum would be something that would likely be presented by the defense should this matter go to the death penalty phase," Leroy said.

Rahmani said Kohberger's ASD is unlikely to impact the guilt phase of Kohberger's trial.

"The guilt phase is, 'did Bryan Kohberger commit these four murders?' The autism doesn't really have any relevance or bearing on that question one way or another," Rahmani said.

Leroy said ASD, however, does not appear to be a relevant defense in Kohberger's case.
“Autism spectrum disorder, particularly in the kind of dreadful facts and heinous crime manifested in these four homicides, does not seem to be something that is relevant in any instance in the trial of this case," Leroy said.

What People Are Saying​

Taylor, in a motion to strike the death penalty: "Mr. Kohberger's ASD prevents him from being sentenced to death in a manner that accords with the constitutional requirements of proportionality and reliability. Like juveniles and people with disabilities, he is insufficiently culpable to be sentenced to death, the aims of deterrence and retribution will not be satisfied by his execution."

Leroy, in an interview with Newsweek:"Speaking to the extent that the defendant's motions asked the court to strike the death penalty or foreshadow an intent to present that kind of evidence at the trial phase, those are predictably not likely to be successful when presented to the judge."

What Happens Next​

Kohberger's trial is scheduled to begin on August 11, with jury selection starting in late July.

Could autism diagnosis help Bryan Kohberger's defense?

Legal experts are weighing in on whether introducing autism spectrum disorder as a defense could impact Bryan Kohberger's case.

www.newsweek.com

IMHOO

 

[jepop]

As before, I'm still catching up so this may well be mentioned further down, but IMO if BK was by some twist found NG, then I absolutely believe he will kill again. He has the knowledge of everything he did wrong this time, Im positive that he would want to try and get it right next time, I honestly don't believe he could help himself.

How on earth are DM and BF going to feel if he's found not guilty? I think I would be traumatised and never feel safe again. I would become obsessive about security. I mean even if my rational mind told me BK ain't going to track me down, that it would be nuts on his part, the fear would overtake all that. The nightmares....

 

[Sweeper2000]

How on earth are DM and BF going to feel if he's found not guilty? I think I would be traumatised and never feel safe again. I would become obsessive about security. I mean even if my rational mind told me BK ain't going to track me down, that it would be nuts on his part, the fear would overtake all that. The nightmares....

why would he be found not guilty? the new DNA? I'm struggling to gauge what that is and means if anyone cold provide a summary please would be appreciated. its new blood right? under mm nails or the sheaf? notsure how it changes things unless its presence adds to evidence suggesting another assailant.

 

[al66pine]

MiL: "Foris DAX (Crypto.com) financial records" for BK.**

This may or may not have anything whatsoever to do with this case, but I think it is important to be aware of what was happening with crypto just a week prior to these murders, jic, it is somehow related:

"What Happened to FTX? FTX was a leading cryptocurrency exchange that went bankrupt in November 2022 amid allegations that its owners had embezzled and misused customer funds. Sam Bankman-Fried, the CEO of the exchange, was sentenced to 25 years in prison and ordered to repay $11 billion."

The Collapse of FTX: What Went Wrong With the Crypto Exchange?

Leading cryptocurrency exchange FTX was once valued at $32 billion, but it collapsed in a matter of days in November 2022. Find out how it fell apart.

www.investopedia.com

@Balthazar Thx for responding to my post .
Yes, I'm aware of other cryptocurrency failures, bankruptcies, etc at that time
(also read one of the books re Sam Bankman-Fried & his hi-jinx.) Personally not seeing any connection btwn BK & these issues.

My question still stands for you or anyone here.
Was BK trading crypto currencies, hoping to make money?
Or just exchanging some USD$ to crypto & using it to pay, say for online purchases?
Or something else altogether?

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4 Univ of Idaho Students Murdered, Bryan Kohberger Arrested, Moscow, Nov 2022 #101

Repeating some info about the Foris-DAX.
** Crypto.com
"cryptocurrency exchange company based in Singapore that offers various financial services, including an app, exchange, and noncustodial DeFi wallet, NFT marketplace, and direct payment service in cryptocurrency." and "80 million users as of June 2023."
"... operate as a payment and virtual asset service provider."
Crypto.com - Wikipedia
en.wikipedia.org en.wikipedia.org

"Foris DAX, Inc. Money Transmitter Licenses (NMLS ID 1966158)"
shows co. is licensed as a money transferer in nearly every state, including PA. & WA.
Also holds "Consumer Lending Licenses (NMLS ID 2256318) in several states.

Privacy Notices | Crypto.com

View all Privacy Notices from Crypto.com, detailing how we collect, use, and protect your personal information. Stay informed about our commitment to privacy and data protection

crypto.com

 

[Boxer]

How on earth are DM and BF going to feel if he's found not guilty? I think I would be traumatised and never feel safe again. I would become obsessive about security. I mean even if my rational mind told me BK ain't going to track me down, that it would be nuts on his part, the fear would overtake all that. The nightmares....

It was nuts to kill in the first, no act or behavior is too heinious.

 

[Balthazar]

How on earth are DM and BF going to feel if he's found not guilty? I think I would be traumatised and never feel safe again. I would become obsessive about security. I mean even if my rational mind told me BK ain't going to track me down, that it would be nuts on his part, the fear would overtake all that. The nightmares....

DM looked up BK's photo when he was arrested and did not recognize BK at all. What DM told LE about the man she saw, she indicated he was her height (5'7") or a little taller than her, not 5 inches taller than her. (Per Ashley Jennings, Jan 23, 2025) BK is 6'. Based on all of this, DM is probably afraid right now that LE did not arrest the right person. And, IF BF did not know before, BF knows now that DM did not recognize BK, so BF is likely also afraid. However, both of these women moved away from Moscow and did not come back after BK's arrest, which likely cost them a some of their college credits since they transferred to new schools. They would have had to repeat and pay extra for these credits and it would delay their graduation. Their moves to new schools probably cost them dearly, but obviously it was THAT important to both of them not to continue at UofI Moscow and we have seen that BF did not want to return to Moscow even AFTER BK's arrest, to do a deposition for the defense, even with a guarantee by LE she would not be arrested for whatever reason. It seems like BF and DM are afraid of Moscow for some reason. So, IMO, neither has felt safe since the case began and they both moved out of Moscow. IMO, neither BF nor DM are acting like witnesses who are convinced that LE has arrested the right person. JMO.

All JMO.

 

[scruffydog]

DM looked up BK's photo when he was arrested and did not recognize BK at all. What DM told LE about the man she saw, she indicated he was her height (5'7") or a little taller than her, not 5 inches taller than her. (Per Ashley Jennings, Jan 23, 2025) BK is 6'. Based on all of this, DM is probably afraid right now that LE did not arrest the right person. And, IF BF did not know before, BF knows now that DM did not recognize BK, so BF is likely also afraid. However, both of these women moved away from Moscow and did not come back after BK's arrest, which likely cost them a some of their college credits since they transferred to new schools. They would have had to repeat and pay extra for these credits and it would delay their graduation. Their moves to new schools probably cost them dearly, but obviously it was THAT important to both of them not to continue at UofI Moscow and we have seen that BF did not want to return to Moscow even AFTER BK's arrest, to do a deposition for the defense, even with a guarantee by LE she would not be arrested for whatever reason. It seems like BF and DM are afraid of Moscow for some reason. So, IMO, neither has felt safe since the case began and they both moved out of Moscow. IMO, neither BF nor DM are acting like witnesses who are convinced that LE has arrested the right person. JMO.

All JMO.

And abracadabra-the knife sheath with BK's DNA magically appeared in the bed with the 2 deceased girls-POOF!!!!

 

[iamshadow21]

It seems like BF and DM are afraid of Moscow for some reason. So, IMO, neither has felt safe since the case began and they both moved out of Moscow.

RSBM

Yeah, funny that. It's almost like having your housemates brutally murdered when you're sleeping mere metres away gives you PTSD and you'd rather live anywhere else.

There is no mystery here. I think there would be very few people who could stay in that environment after what happened. The reminders and triggers would be constant, and there would be no relief from the constant recognition, "oh, you're one of THOSE girls". Neither girl was local, so there's not a family anchor keeping them there. They were literally only there for school, and they can go to school plenty of places.

MOO

 

[SteveP]

DM looked up BK's photo when he was arrested and did not recognize BK at all. What DM told LE about the man she saw, she indicated he was her height (5'7") or a little taller than her, not 5 inches taller than her. (Per Ashley Jennings, Jan 23, 2025) BK is 6'. Based on all of this, DM is probably afraid right now that LE did not arrest the right person. And, IF BF did not know before, BF knows now that DM did not recognize BK, so BF is likely also afraid. However, both of these women moved away from Moscow and did not come back after BK's arrest, which likely cost them a some of their college credits since they transferred to new schools. They would have had to repeat and pay extra for these credits and it would delay their graduation. Their moves to new schools probably cost them dearly, but obviously it was THAT important to both of them not to continue at UofI Moscow and we have seen that BF did not want to return to Moscow even AFTER BK's arrest, to do a deposition for the defense, even with a guarantee by LE she would not be arrested for whatever reason. It seems like BF and DM are afraid of Moscow for some reason. So, IMO, neither has felt safe since the case began and they both moved out of Moscow. IMO, neither BF nor DM are acting like witnesses who are convinced that LE has arrested the right person. JMO.

All JMO.

I think it is perfectly normal that neither DM nor BF wanted to return to Moscow after the terror of that night, and is probably the same reaction that many, if not most of us here would have, as well, and I think it has absolutely nothing to do with any fear at all that LE did not arrest the right person, or that there were other murderers besides BK. The house was torn down because it was a house of horrors. I think the entire town and school will forever be tied to that night of horrors for both of the surviving roommates, even after the man that they surely know, from all of the available evidence, is guilty of the slaughters of four of their friends, is put away for life. As to any miscalculation of height, subjectively speaking 5 inches is not a huge difference. 5 inches is a little taller than DM. Had he been 6'5, or 6'6, you may have a more valid point. Also, unable to ID him from a photo is a whopping nothing burger. He was basically covered head to toe, apparently, save those bushy eyebrows and eyes, and maybe a very tiny part of his face, and she only saw him for an instant, and in mostly darkness. Sadly for him, his DNA ID'd him.

Finally, neither DM nor BF may ever feel entirely safe again, as long as they live, and as sad as that is, I would probably be right there with them if it were me. JMO

 

[MassGuy]

DM looked up BK's photo when he was arrested and did not recognize BK at all. What DM told LE about the man she saw, she indicated he was her height (5'7") or a little taller than her, not 5 inches taller than her. (Per Ashley Jennings, Jan 23, 2025) BK is 6'. Based on all of this, DM is probably afraid right now that LE did not arrest the right person. And, IF BF did not know before, BF knows now that DM did not recognize BK, so BF is likely also afraid. However, both of these women moved away from Moscow and did not come back after BK's arrest, which likely cost them a some of their college credits since they transferred to new schools. They would have had to repeat and pay extra for these credits and it would delay their graduation. Their moves to new schools probably cost them dearly, but obviously it was THAT important to both of them not to continue at UofI Moscow and we have seen that BF did not want to return to Moscow even AFTER BK's arrest, to do a deposition for the defense, even with a guarantee by LE she would not be arrested for whatever reason. It seems like BF and DM are afraid of Moscow for some reason. So, IMO, neither has felt safe since the case began and they both moved out of Moscow. IMO, neither BF nor DM are acting like witnesses who are convinced that LE has arrested the right person. JMO.

All JMO.

First, there is absolutely no evidence that either witness believes they caught the wrong guy. Every single piece of evidence soundly refutes anything of the sort.

Why in God's name would they want to stay in Moscow with the constant reminder of what happened surrounding them on a daily basis? This is something I'd totally expect.

BF had no desire to return to Moscow for the preliminary hearing (that never happened), and the parties agreed to do the deposition closer to where she was living.

I can find absolutely nothing about some guarantee that she would not be arrested. That has two logical issues:

1. She and DM were quickly cleared by police.
2. If Moscow wanted to arrest her for some serious crime she could be arrested anywhere. It's not like some foreign country had an arrest warrant against her, and she was safe as long as she didn't set foot in that country.

These girls know they got the right guy, and there is no evidence whatsoever they had any reason to fear prosecution.

 

[BUF]

Just have to say…..as far as DM maybe saying the perpetrator was maybe a little taller than me…..I don’t know her height, but after looking at many photos, she is a tall girl. A little taller than her could realistically be 6’.

Quite honestly, I don’t know how observant I would be if in this situation. The thing that stood out to her was his bushy eyebrows….which BK seems to be grooming them since his capture.

 

[Ghostwheel]

DM looked up BK's photo when he was arrested and did not recognize BK at all. What DM told LE about the man she saw, she indicated he was her height (5'7") or a little taller than her, not 5 inches taller than her. (Per Ashley Jennings, Jan 23, 2025) BK is 6'. Based on all of this, DM is probably afraid right now that LE did not arrest the right person. And, IF BF did not know before, BF knows now that DM did not recognize BK, so BF is likely also afraid. However, both of these women moved away from Moscow and did not come back after BK's arrest, which likely cost them a some of their college credits since they transferred to new schools. They would have had to repeat and pay extra for these credits and it would delay their graduation. Their moves to new schools probably cost them dearly, but obviously it was THAT important to both of them not to continue at UofI Moscow and we have seen that BF did not want to return to Moscow even AFTER BK's arrest, to do a deposition for the defense, even with a guarantee by LE she would not be arrested for whatever reason. It seems like BF and DM are afraid of Moscow for some reason. So, IMO, neither has felt safe since the case began and they both moved out of Moscow. IMO, neither BF nor DM are acting like witnesses who are convinced that LE has arrested the right person. JMO.

All JMO.

She described him as 5'10 or taller.

Eta:I vaguely remember reading somewhere that Dylan is 5'9. I can't find a link, so take that as an opinion based on a two plus year old memory.

Idaho murder roommate Dylan Mortensen came face to face with killer, cops say

One of the roommates in the University of Idaho murder house came face-to-face with the killer, according to a police report.

nypost.com

 

[mickey2942]

I am interested when BK was diagnosed with "Autism". It obviously doesn't impact his ability to perform activities of daily living. My own opinion is that the diagnosis of "Autism" is way over used, especially for adults who are functioning without assistance.

That being said, his diagnosis of Autism, is irrelevant to the trial, and the penalty phase. He knows the difference between right and wrong.

 

[arielilane]

March 9, 2025, posted one hour ago

Bryan Kohberger: Inside the Idaho Murders – Episode 2​

A rare interview with Ethan Chapin’s mom, as she shares her concerns about the upcoming trial and how she still manages to keep smiling. Plus: brand new information about Bryan Kohberger’s academic pursuits at DeSales University and we put you in the passenger seat as we drive the way out-of-the-way route cops claim Kohberger took the night of the murders.

 

[Gemmie]

I am interested when BK was diagnosed with "Autism". It obviously doesn't impact his ability to perform activities of daily living. My own opinion is that the diagnosis of "Autism" is way over used, especially for adults who are functioning without assistance.

That being said, his diagnosis of Autism, is irrelevant to the trial, and the penalty phase. He knows the difference between right and wrong.

Date of the article is March 5th. Sounds... convenient to me.

IMO? The "significant impact on his daily life" is called jail. And living in a cell. JMO!

Kohberger was formally diagnosed with autism spectrum disorder last month by a neuropsychologist, who said he “continues to exhibit all the core diagnostic features of ASD currently, with significant impact on his daily life,” per documents cited by TMZ.

Bryan Kohberger’s lawyers say autism makes him ineligible for death penalty

Bryan Kohberger’s legal team is contending his autism diagnosis should prevent him from receiving the death penalty if he’s found guilty of murdering four University of Idaho students b…

www.nydailynews.com

 

[NCWatcher]

I am interested when BK was diagnosed with "Autism". It obviously doesn't impact his ability to perform activities of daily living. My own opinion is that the diagnosis of "Autism" is way over used, especially for adults who are functioning without assistance.

That being said, his diagnosis of Autism, is irrelevant to the trial, and the penalty phase. He knows the difference between right and wrong.

Since there is no insanity defense claimed or allowed in Idaho, I'm not sure that the presence of a mental disorder is relevant only if it renders the defendant unable to tell right from wrong. That is the common standard with an insanity defense but not here I wouldn't think.

I have no idea if an autism diagnosis will turn out to be relevant. But if it is, I think it would be a mitigating factor as would any mental illness diagnosis.
MOO

 

[gremlin444]

So, now leaving the town where someone entered your house and murdered your roommates is seen as suspicious or thinking that the police got the wrong person?

Leaving and going back home to your family for support is odd? DM had horrid nightmares and lucid dreams before--what do you think they were like after the murders? I'd be sleeping in my parents bedroom with the lights on for the next 4 months straight.

Transferring to another college instead of going back to the town and school where the biggest horror in your life occurred is somehow questionable behavior??

Let's see....if my choices are transfer to a different college with the possibility that I might have to retake a college credit...maybe need to go by my middle name instead of my first (not saying either did, but I would given that their names are pretty unique)....

or

go back to Moscow where there were reporters/podcasters everywhere for months (and then again each time BK had a court date) who would hound me.....back to U of Idaho where I can see people staring at me and talking behind my back...back to the town where so many places I would see would have painful memories of my roommates...

....then I'll happily retake any college credit I need to at a new school...and I'm not stepping foot near Moscow until I have to for the trial.

I don't think it would have made a bit of difference if the very next day after the murders BK had walked into the police station and confessed. And years later was put to death. For many people, after something like the horrors of the murders, they NEVER feel safe again. How can you when you now know that the bogeyman is VERY real? When you know better than anyone that you can't assume you are safe in your own house? Especially when you feel that it was just sheer luck that you survived that night.

 

[Balthazar]

She described him as 5'10 or taller.

No. That is what was written in the PCA but in the Jan. 23-24 hearings, it came out that that was false. DM specifically said the man she saw was her height 5'7" or taller. Please go back to Ashley Jennings who explained all of this at the Jan 23-24 hearing.

Eta:I vaguely remember reading somewhere that Dylan is 5'9. I can't find a link, so take that as an opinion based on a two plus year old memory.

Idaho murder roommate Dylan Mortensen came face to face with killer, cops say

One of the roommates in the University of Idaho murder house came face-to-face with the killer, according to a police report.

nypost.com

According to Ashley Jennings DM is 5'7". AJ could be wrong for all I know, but that is what she stated in court.

 

[DizzyB]

Date of the article is March 5th. Sounds... convenient to me.

IMO? The "significant impact on his daily life" is called jail. And living in a cell. JMO!

Kohberger was formally diagnosed with autism spectrum disorder last month by a neuropsychologist, who said he “continues to exhibit all the core diagnostic features of ASD currently, with significant impact on his daily life,” per documents cited by TMZ.

Bryan Kohberger’s lawyers say autism makes him ineligible for death penalty

Bryan Kohberger’s legal team is contending his autism diagnosis should prevent him from receiving the death penalty if he’s found guilty of murdering four University of Idaho students b…

www.nydailynews.com

Interesting that he was only recently diagnosed. I’ve always wondered if he was on the spectrum, based on his past behaviors and social interactions. I’m not buying the diminished capacity.