4 Univ of Idaho Students Murdered, Bryan Kohberger Arrested, Moscow, Nov 2022 #101

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MassGuy said:
An absolute boatload of motions in limine just dropped. We're going to have a lot to talk about.

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Defense Motion #7. Bushy eyebrows

AT wants the words 'Bushy eyebrows' out because, according to her, work BK sitting right there in front of the jury, it's as good as saying BK is guilty.

Wow.

So even AT is admitting that 'bush eyebrows' fits BK.

Poor DM. She had a history of nightmares BEFORE that wicked night. Being kidnapped. Chased.

She thought he was maybe a firefighter. ( whoa... remember, "I'm here to help you" her innocent mind looking for safe explanations. How scary to be able to leave her room and go downstairs.)

Haunted. She drew countless eyebrows.

She had to be profoundly traumatized.

Cruel to go after her. Unlike the four victims, DM lived through the scariest night if her life, the full terror of it coming after.

I get chills thinking about. Double locking my doors.

JMO
 
  • #142
MassGuy said:
An absolute boatload of motions in limine just dropped. We're going to have a lot to talk about.

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Motion #9

Oh, oh, Amazon.

Amazon world salad

AT no likey Amazon clicks.... shared account, maybe someone else was clicking away... AI driven software, I guess maybe AI was plotting a murder and giving an unknown someone on a shared family account ideas to click on. AI turned misread innocent searches and suggest mean, bad, no good, very bad crimey things to buy.

That is the WORST cluster of lame arguments I've personally ever read.

JMO
 
  • #143
DizzyB said:
Wow this is a lot. DM’s story is mind blowing. And did we know for sure before today that BK was on the spectrum?
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No we didn’t know for sure until last week when the D filed a motion to strike the Death Penalty citing ASD.
I can’t get on the court’s website right now but the motion was posted on here last week after it dropped into the case file.
Below link is a local article about it.

Snipped from link:
“The defense team for Bryan Kohberger, the man accused of killing four University of Idaho students in 2022, may be seeking to remove the death penalty as a sentencing option by arguing that he may be on the autism spectrum.

A motion titled “Motion to Strike the Death Penalty RE: Autism Spectrum Disorder” appeared on Kohberger’s case summary page on the Idaho Courts website Tuesday, but the full motion wasn't publicly posted.”

*More at link.

www.nbcrightnow.com

Bryan Kohberger’s defense may seek to remove death penalty, citing autism spectrum disorder

BOISE, Idaho — The defense team for Bryan Kohberger, the man accused of killing four University of Idaho students in 2022, may be seeking to remove the death penalty as
www.nbcrightnow.com www.nbcrightnow.com

IMHOO
 
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  • #144
MassGuy said:
An absolute boatload of motions in limine just dropped. We're going to have a lot to talk about.

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Oh, AT.

She wants the cctv images of a white car near 1122 thrown out because -- wait for it -- the Make and Model of the Hyundai Elantra was not based on those images. She says it's prejudicial to the BK to have the jury think those images are linked.

Wow, AT.

Gee, I wonder why she doesn't want car footage near 1122. Oh, dear. How many times has she said BK was driving in Moscow but 'not over there' when it turns she just wants the judge to exclude cctv images up close to 1122 ... because she KNOWS that jury draw inferences. Just because it's grainy doesn't mean they can't draw conclusions.

Oh, Bryan.

JMO
 
  • #145
Megnut said:
Just because it's grainy doesn't mean they can't draw conclusions.
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Plus, LE can perform paired/unpaired tests by driving various make/models past the same camera in similar lighting conditions, to determine if SV1 is consistent with a Hyundai Elantra. They already went back to ascertain if audio of the dog barking originated in or outside the house, so it's likely they performed this test also.
 
  • #146
Motion to Strike for ASD

Oh, my.

May I summarize? Judge, we want you to tell the jury to go easy on (strike the DP for) BK. We need them to see ASD as mitigating and tell them not to see it as aggravating because we want to use it against the DP and we don't want the jury to view it elsewise and give him the DP.

She actually cites youtube videos. WTH. Who cares what's out there so long as the jurors haven't seen or aren't swayed by it. She's focused on his robotic movements and intense gaze.

She says the media is demonizing BK for his disability.

No.

No, AT, he's demonized because what he did was demonic.

JMO
 
  • #147
One more thing about BK and his ASD. He isn't alone. A growing population of children and adults are being diagnosed with it. Who haven't murdered anyone.

And I think it's important to point out that for 28 years, during which he had ASD across time, (as far as as know) he hasn't murdered anyone else. Which means BK has executive function. He chose not to kill all those years. Killed no one on 12 trips to Moscow, killed no one while looping 3 times, was not overcome by his ASD like there was a sudden onset and pushed someone into oncoming traffic. No, he chose the middle of the night. He prepurchased essentially a kill kit, he brought a knife into a residence and attacked victims who were going to be easy prey.... and following that, he took great pains to clean his vehicle, protect his DNA.

Even with ASD, BK demonstrates that he had full control of his thinking and planning and executing.

I'll say this. A diagnosis of ASD does give insight into BK and helps explain why he is the way he is. But he also finished HS, finished college, got an advanced degree and was working on another.

BK is not diminished by his diagnosis to the degree that it mitigated what he did!!!

He knew it was wrong. So he did it under the cover of darkness.

He's not a monster because he has ASD. He's just a monster.

Move on, Counselor.
 
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  • #148
Megnut said:
Defense Motion #7. Bushy eyebrows

AT wants the words 'Bushy eyebrows' out because, according to her, work BK sitting right there in front of the jury, it's as good as saying BK is guilty.

Wow.

So even AT is admitting that 'bush eyebrows' fits BK.

Poor DM. She had a history of nightmares BEFORE that wicked night. Being kidnapped. Chased.

She thought he was maybe a firefighter. ( whoa... remember, "I'm here to help you" her innocent mind looking for safe explanations. How scary to be able to leave her room and go downstairs.)

Haunted. She drew countless eyebrows.

She had to be profoundly traumatized.

Cruel to go after her. Unlike the four victims, DM lived through the scariest night if her life, the full terror of it coming after.

I get chills thinking about. Double locking my doors.

JMO
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Bushy eyebrows out?? Bring on the caterpillars!! 🐛🐛
 
  • #149
iamshadow21 said:
I've been 'house' since the beginning, and have yet to read anything to shift me from that. Of course, there's a vast amount of information that will come out at trial that may change the face of this crime and the events of it completely. We're working theories from so little.

MOO
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IMO I am also the house; however, I often wonder how it became the house. Was it because it was a party house with lots of potential suspects and DNA? Was it that only females lived in the house? Or both?

JMO I can't help but think at least one of the twelve times his cell phone pinged the same cell tower as the house, there was a party going on and he joined the party. Because on that night, he was in and out quick suggests he knew the layout. And not from an on-line rental / Zillow layout, but for real. I mean, I admit, I found it difficult to get a feel of the layout from on-line resources as this case progressed.

And, maybe he went to the 3rd floor because he was looking for an open bedroom door.
All JMO
 
  • #150
mmeynstyn said:
IMO I am also the house; however, I often wonder how it became the house. Was it because it was a party house with lots of potential suspects and DNA? Was it that only females lived in the house? Or both?

JMO I can't help but think at least one of the twelve times his cell phone pinged the same cell tower as the house, there was a party going on and he joined the party. Because on that night, he was in and out quick suggests he knew the layout. And not from an on-line rental / Zillow layout, but for real. I mean, I admit, I found it difficult to get a feel of the layout from on-line resources as this case progressed.

And, maybe he went to the 3rd floor because he was looking for an open bedroom door.
All JMO
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It was only females. The one male victim was the roommate's boyfriend who was staying over. He targeted these girls, I'm sure of it whether or not they were aware of it. He didn't pick a house at random.
 
  • #151
mmeynstyn said:
IMO I am also the house; however, I often wonder how it became the house. Was it because it was a party house with lots of potential suspects and DNA? Was it that only females lived in the house? Or both?

JMO I can't help but think at least one of the twelve times his cell phone pinged the same cell tower as the house, there was a party going on and he joined the party. Because on that night, he was in and out quick suggests he knew the layout. And not from an on-line rental / Zillow layout, but for real. I mean, I admit, I found it difficult to get a feel of the layout from on-line resources as this case progressed.

And, maybe he went to the 3rd floor because he was looking for an open bedroom door.
All JMO
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I believe he knew females lived there, and he had seen them come and go during those scouting missions. It could have been as simple as him happening to drive by one day, and one of them caught his eye. I don't see him ever joining a party though. Everything that's come out has painted a picture of a social awkward man, who just wouldn't fit in at a setting like that.

I'm totally open to him having been inside before, but I'm not sure it was necessary. At a minimum though, I think he knew that sliding door would be open. He knew he'd be using it, and the only way that would be the case was if he knew it wasn't going to be locked. He'd have tried it previously.
 
  • #152
MassGuy said:
An absolute boatload of motions in limine just dropped. We're going to have a lot to talk about.

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NewDefense Motion in Limine #8 RE Unnoticed 404b Evidence
"As of the date of this filing, the state has only noticed a prior traffic stop as 404(b) evidence. Mr. Kohberger moves that any other 404(b) evidence be precluded from presentation at trial.

I am curious about some of the stuff we've discussed here regarding his behavior toward women.
- such as from the bar, Idaho 'killer' is accused of scaring female staff at brewery
- or, from the class he TA'd. Bryan Kohberger's behavior toward women investigated weeks before arrest

IMO, I suppose it would not be a deal breaker if it did not come in, but it seems it would show a pattern of behavior leading up to the crime.
 
  • #153
mmeynstyn said:
NewDefense Motion in Limine #8 RE Unnoticed 404b Evidence
"As of the date of this filing, the state has only noticed a prior traffic stop as 404(b) evidence. Mr. Kohberger moves that any other 404(b) evidence be precluded from presentation at trial.

I am curious about some of the stuff we've discussed here regarding his behavior toward women.
- such as from the bar, Idaho 'killer' is accused of scaring female staff at brewery
- or, from the class he TA'd. Bryan Kohberger's behavior toward women investigated weeks before arrest

IMO, I suppose it would not be a deal breaker if it did not come in, but it seems it would show a pattern of behavior leading up to the crime.
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I'm not a lawyer, but I just don't see that stuff being admissible. Confirmation in the form of a motion in limine would be nice though.
 
  • #154
fcavanaugh said:
IMO, one of many things I find so strange/suspect in this case is what BK allegedly said while LE was in process of arresting him in PA.

Instead of asking LE but why am I being arrested officers???? and/or after being told why, he didn’t (loudly) protest no! I didn’t kill anyone, you’ve got the wrong guy!! as imo an innocent person likely would, instead BK asked LE- if anyone else had been arrested. ???!!…

The cops bust into your parents home in the middle of the night to arrest you for the brutal murder of 4 individuals and that’s the first thing or one of the first things you ask/say to the cops???!! Not only bizarre but also, very telling. IMO.

IMO an 100% innocent person would fiercely and angrily protest no! I’m innocent/had nothing to do with it!!

As I see it, this alleged first response/question of BK while or just after being arrested implies guilty knowledge/complicity, at the very, very least. IMO.

I have always thought BK to be a lone wolf, but do you think it’s at all possible/plausible he had an accomplice and was wondering if LE had got to them yet and that’s why he asked if anyone else had been arrested? Or possibly thought maybe someone in his family might have been arrested? I mean he was literally in the family home at the time he was arrested so wouldn’t he already know if any of his family members were being/had been arrested?
And why would he think any of his family members had been arrested anyways? Maybe BK thought possible his Father had been arrested? If so, for what reason would BK think that?
Did he think maybe the cops had arrested his Father for accompanying him home from WA to PA and that maybe the cops thought Dad knew something about what BK did and/or he thought LE may have thought his Father aided BK in some way post crime? (I want to emphasize that I’m not saying I think BK’s Father did anything wrong or knew anything about the murders or aided BK in any way absolutely not. I’m just thinking about possible reasons BK might have thought his Father might have been arrested).

Or do you think it’s possible BK was just messing with the cops implying someone else helped because he thought they found something on him during the initial stages of investigation (the arrest took place over a month after the murders even though they didn’t have his name until Dec.19th, he wouldn’t have known that when they arrested him) but thought they wouldn’t be able to prove he did the actual killings and wanted LE to think someone else/an accomplice did the murders?

I mean accomplice being involved is way down on my list personally because I think LE would have sussed them out by now, but now I’m wondering about another possibility, that is if BK maybe wanted the cops to think perhaps he had an accomplice and that he wasn’t or wouldn’t turn them in after being arrested, just to mess with them.
Idk but I can picture him saying/asking the cops something like that if he thought LE already had something on him, to mess with them and try to blame it on some non-existent accomplice that he’d never give up name of. IMO.

‘Has anyone else been arrested?’
Is this the first thing an 100% innocent, framed/set-up, railroaded individual is going to say upon arrest of 4 brutal murders ?????
I say no absolutely not and tend to believe the reporting that that was the first or one of the first things he said as he was or just after being arrested. Because if he did ask them why am I being arrested?????? like he had no clue, and/or protested and said no! I’m innocent/not responsible for murdering four people! we would have heard about it in the reporting as it’s a pretty important thing if he protested and said he was innocent because again, an innocent person accused of committing this type of crime if truly 100% innocent would be angry and stand up for themselves right away and say something like no, no, no! it wasn’t me!! You got the wrong guy etc. etc.

Apologies for the long, rambling post and if this was already discussed I probably missed it and it doesn’t hurt to revisit things while waiting for more movement in a case.

Basically, makes zero sense to me and is one of the things that makes me side eye ‘ole BK even more when it’s added together with all the other incriminating circumstances pointing to his guilt.

IMHOO

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I think he thought his father might have been arrested for harboring him.
 
  • #155
Do not use the term "murder". Okay. Let's use "butchered". Slaughtered? Massacre? Carnage?

No term of "psychopath" or "sociopath". Okay, plenty of other words...I think "Nutcase" would work.

www.merriam-webster.com

Thesaurus results for PSYCHOPATH

Synonyms for PSYCHOPATH: lunatic, maniac, fool, psycho, bug, schizo, sicko, wacko, nutcase, loon
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  • #156
mmeynstyn said:
NewDefense Motion in Limine #8 RE Unnoticed 404b Evidence
"As of the date of this filing, the state has only noticed a prior traffic stop as 404(b) evidence. Mr. Kohberger moves that any other 404(b) evidence be precluded from presentation at trial.

I am curious about some of the stuff we've discussed here regarding his behavior toward women.
- such as from the bar, Idaho 'killer' is accused of scaring female staff at brewery
- or, from the class he TA'd. Bryan Kohberger's behavior toward women investigated weeks before arrest

IMO, I suppose it would not be a deal breaker if it did not come in, but it seems it would show a pattern of behavior leading up to the crime.
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I'm not an attorney but I thought "behavior pattern" evidence was rarely admissable to show criminal guilt. So evidence that after having a few beers he acted in obnoxious ways towards women in a bar in PA would not be admissable but if it was, it would purportedly show he was "the type of person" to have killed 3 women and 1 man. Therefore, if hearing that evidence, jurors should conclude he probably did kill the students in Idaho. And so far as his behavior in Idaho went, supposedly the university investigated his behavior as a TA and didn't find support for the notion his behavior was problematic towards women. Regardless, as a practical matter, how can anonymous complainants from the university be called up to testify?
MOO
 
  • #157
mickey2942 said:
Do not use the term "murder". Okay. Let's use "butchered". Slaughtered? Massacre? Carnage?

No term of "psychopath" or "sociopath". Okay, plenty of other words...I think "Nutcase" would work.

www.merriam-webster.com

Thesaurus results for PSYCHOPATH

Synonyms for PSYCHOPATH: lunatic, maniac, fool, psycho, bug, schizo, sicko, wacko, nutcase, loon
www.merriam-webster.com www.merriam-webster.com
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I want the laugh reaction back!
 
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Megnut said:
One more thing about BK and his ASD. He isn't alone. A growing population of children and adults are being diagnosed with it. Who haven't murdered anyone.

And I think it's important to point out that for 28 years, during which he had ASD across time, (as far as as know) he hasn't murdered anyone else. Which means BK has executive function. He chose not to kill all those years. Killed no one on 12 trips to Moscow, killed no one while looping 3 times, was not overcome by his ASD like there was a sudden onset and pushed someone into oncoming traffic. No, he chose the middle of the night. He prepurchased essentially a kill kit, he brought a knife into a residence and attacked victims who were going to be easy prey.... and following that, he took great pains to clean his vehicle, protect his DNA.

Even with ASD, BK demonstrates that he had full control of his thinking and planning and executing.

I'll say this. A diagnosis of ASD does give insight into BK and helps explain why he is the way he is. But he also finished HS, finished college, got an advanced degree and was working on another.

BK is not diminished by his diagnosis to the degree that it mitigated what he did!!!

He knew it was wrong. So he did it under the cover of darkness.

He's not a monster because he has ASD. He's just a monster.

Move on, Counselor.
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I think this was a preplanned thrill kill aimed at one or more of the girls in that house.

He studied under a very well known Professor at DeSales who had a lot of history on BTK and that manner of spree killing, plus the survey he published while there asking questions about how targets were selected, how they prepared, etc. leads me to believe our boy Bry has had this on his mind for awhile.

JMO
 
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I should think that in the weeks leading up to these horrific killings, he may have tried a number of student houses in the area, looking for unlocked doors. I doubt he would have been all kitted out and ready to act right then (except for wearing gloves), my theory is he would have tried all the unlocked ones again at a later time, to be sure it was a regular thing. Then made his decision, and acted. He may have a photographic memory, and didn't need ro write down the addresses. But perhaps he did. Wouldn't that be a gift.
 
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