4 Univ of Idaho Students Murdered, Bryan Kohberger Arrested, Moscow, Nov 2022 #101

[mickey2942]

I think this was a preplanned thrill kill aimed at one or more of the girls in that house.

He studied under a very well known Professor at DeSales who had a lot of history on BTK and that manner of spree killing, plus the survey he published while there asking questions about how targets were selected, how they prepared, etc. leads me to believe our boy Bry has had this on his mind for awhile.

JMO

I would be absolutely fascinated if his former Criminology professors were used as "subject matter experts" in anything related to the trial, that they have credentials for testimony.

 

[girlhasnoname]

An absolute boatload of motions in limine just dropped. We're going to have a lot to talk about.

• NewStates Motion in Limine RE ATT Timing Advance Records
• NewStates Motion in Limine RE Immediate Family Members in Courtroom
• NewStates Motion in Limine RE Improper Death Penalty Comments
• NewStates Motion in Limine RE Investigative Genetic Geneology
• NewStates Motion to Seal Motions in Limine and Exhibits to Motions in Limine
• NewMotion to Exceed Page Limit
• NewDefense Motion in Limine #1 RE Inflammatory Evidence
• NewDefense Motion in Limine #2 RE Vague and Undisclosed Expert Testimony
• NewDefense Motion in Limine #3 RE Use of the Term Murder
• NewDefense Motion in Limine #4 RE Using the Terms Psychopath or Sociopath
• NewDefence Motion in Limine #5 RE Inconclusive Data
• NewDefense Motion in Limine #6 RE Rylene Nowlin and Reference to Touch and Contact DNA
• NewDefense Motion in Limine #7 RE Witness Identification by Bushy Eyebrows
• NewDefense Motion in Limine #8 RE Unnoticed 404b Evidence
• NewDefense Motion in Limine #9 RE Excluding Amazon Click Activity Evidence at Trial
• NewDefense Motion in Limine #10 RE Improper Expert Opinion Testimony - Mittelman
• NewDefense Motion in Limine #11 RE Exclude IGG Evidence
• NewDefense Motion in Limine #12 RE Make and Model of Suspect Vehicle
• NewDefense Motion in Limine #13 RE Conditions as Aggravator
• NewDefence Motion in Limine #14 RE Statistical Anaylsis
• NewMotion to File Motion in Limine #5 and Motion in Limine #14
• NewMotion to Strike Death Penalty RE Autism Spectrum Disorder
• NewStipulated Agreement of the Parties Regarding Investigators in the Courtroom During Trial
• NewStipulated Motion to File Defendants Exhibits in Support of their Motions in Limine Under Seal
• NewStipulated Motion to File Defendant's Exhibits in Support of Their Motion to Strike Death Penalty
• NewMotion Sealing the Parties Stipulated

Wow, a lot to unpack here in some of these Motions. I find in particular MTS Death Penalty RE Autism Spectrum Disorder and MIL #3 use of the Term Murder more than a reach. AT states BK has a hard time thinking and processing information in a 'timely, normal' manner, but she fails to consider he was the Regional Extemporaneous Speaking winner in his Region.

MIL #7 Bushy Eyebrows - Surprised to see it stated as fact that DM said she texted BF and then did go downstairs to BF's room and went to sleep after the incident. We'd heard different rumors on this, but according to DM's interviews it seems like she did indeed. Of all things she did remember and consistently repeated in her many interviews, BK was dressed in dark clothing wearing a mask but his eyebrows were distinctly noticeable to her.

JMO

 

[girlhasnoname]

Did we know this before?

Interviews on November 13, 2022. On November 13, 2022, D.M. was inside the house when the murders occurred and saw a figure dressed in black (hereinafter “intruder”) when she peeked out her bedroom door around 4:00 a.m. Shortly after seeing the intruder, she went downstairs to Bethany Funke’s room. The two girls fell asleep. Roughly 8 hours later, a 911 call was made from Bethany’s phone at 11:56 a.m.

Defense Motion in Limine #7 RE Witness Identification by Bushy Eyebrows

Hah, I just finished reading the docs and called this very one out too. We've heard the girls DM and BF were texting each other. It makes sense that DM was uncomfortable and/or annoyed enough to go down to BF's room to sleep and proves, IMO, that she definitely did not see Xana or Ethan.

They had to have been in Xana's bedroom or hallway off of main living area.

MOO

 

[girlhasnoname]

Wow this is a lot. DM’s story is mind blowing. And did we know for sure before today that BK was on the spectrum?

I don't think we knew that as fact, I wonder if and when BK was officially diagnosed?

EBM: For clarity

 

[mrjitty]

Motion #9

Oh, oh, Amazon.

Amazon world salad

AT no likey Amazon clicks.... shared account, maybe someone else was clicking away... AI driven software, I guess maybe AI was plotting a murder and giving an unknown someone on a shared family account ideas to click on. AI turned misread innocent searches and suggest mean, bad, no good, very bad crimey things to buy.

That is the WORST cluster of lame arguments I've personally ever read.

JMO

Yes - this evidence seems very bad for them

I also wonder if there is also the problem that AT speculates wildly about other family members searching, leading to AI recos that somehow get clicked on ... but those witnesses are available to be called????

So while AT has some points at a generalised level, detail is going to matter a lot, and the other family members can obviously testify

MOO

 

[Megnut]

Yes - this evidence seems very bad for them

I also wonder if there is also the problem that AT speculates wildly about other family members searching, leading to AI recos that somehow get clicked on ... but those witnesses are available to be called????

So while AT has some points at a generalised level, detail is going to matter a lot, and the other family members can obviously testify

MOO

And no one is going to "buy" that a family member was searching for camping gear, and AI generated a kabar knife (that bought itself.) Discard reasonable doubt, she's asking for the jury to SUSPEND ALL REASON.

 

[DizzyB]

Wow, a lot to unpack here in some of these Motions. I find in particular MTS Death Penalty RE Autism Spectrum Disorder and MIL #3 use of the Term Murder more than a reach. AT states BK has a hard time thinking and processing information in a 'timely, normal' manner, but she fails to consider he was the Regional Extemporaneous Speaking winner in his Region.

MIL #7 Bushy Eyebrows - Surprised to see it stated as fact that DM said she texted BF and then did go downstairs to BF's room and went to sleep after the incident. We'd heard different rumors on this, but according to DM's interviews it seems like she did indeed. Of all things she did remember and consistently repeated in her many interviews, BK was dressed in dark clothing wearing a mask but his eyebrows were distinctly noticeable to her.

JMO

I did find it interesting that DM had drawings of eyes on her walls, before the murders.

 

[Megnut]

I did find it interesting that DM had drawings of eyes on her walls, before the murders.

Wait, what? I thought it was AFTER.

 

[NCWatcher]

Wait, what? I thought it was AFTER.

I don't think she lived in that house after the murders. Where were the drawings located?

 

[Bahshudc]

I don't think she lived in that house after the murders. Where were the drawings located?

Apparently on a corkboard / on her wall

 

[NCWatcher]

Apparently on a corkboard / on her wall

Where was the wall? House-wise?

 

[Nila Aella]

Where was the wall? House-wise?

Page 4 MIL

(2) Pictures on November 13, 2022. Law enforcement took pictures of D.M.’s room on November 13, 2022 and November 19, 2022. On the walls in her room were many pictures of eyes with prominent eyebrows. Many of which she had drawn. Some of the eyebrows are heavy, voluminous, puffy, or perhaps subjectively bushy. (Motion in Limine 7 - Exhibit 4, Dylan’s Room Search, p. 1-3.) According to Detective Lake, he found “artwork of human figures with an emphasis upon the eyes and eyebrows were pinned to corkboards.” (Motion in Limine 7 - Exhibit 5, Dylan’s Room Search, p. 2.)
BBM

https://coi.isc.idaho.gov/docs/CR01-24-31665/2025/022425-Defense-Motion-inLimine-7-RE-Witness-Identification-Bushy-Eyebrows.pdf

 

[Megnut]

I don't think she lived in that house after the murders. Where were the drawings located?

Apparently on a corkboard / on her wall

Where was the wall? House-wise?

That makes sense. She probably never even went back in. It was in her bedroom on the wall, iirc. Eyes and eyebrows.

It'll probably turn out to be innocuous. Like a make-up chart, even if hand drawn. Experimenting with arched brows, sort of thing.

JMO

 

[NCWatcher]

Page 4 MIL

(2) Pictures on November 13, 2022. Law enforcement took pictures of D.M.’s room on November 13, 2022 and November 19, 2022. On the walls in her room were many pictures of eyes with prominent eyebrows. Many of which she had drawn. Some of the eyebrows are heavy, voluminous, puffy, or perhaps subjectively bushy. (Motion in Limine 7 - Exhibit 4, Dylan’s Room Search, p. 1-3.) According to Detective Lake, he found “artwork of human figures with an emphasis upon the eyes and eyebrows were pinned to corkboards.” (Motion in Limine 7 - Exhibit 5, Dylan’s Room Search, p. 2.)
BBM

https://coi.isc.idaho.gov/docs/CR01-24-31665/2025/022425-Defense-Motion-inLimine-7-RE-Witness-Identification-Bushy-Eyebrows.pdf

Thanks. Seems to me those had to be there before the murders then. She didn't live in the murder house after the murders.
MOO

 

[SteveP]

That makes sense. She probably never even went back in. It was in her bedroom on the wall, iirc. Eyes and eyebrows.

It'll probably turn out to be innocuous. Like a make-up chart, even if hand drawn. Experimenting with arched brows, sort of thing.

JMO

On the walls in her room were many pictures of eyes with prominent eyebrows. Many of which she had drawn. Some of the eyebrows are heavy, voluminous, puffy, or perhaps subjectively bushy. (Motion in Limine 7 - Exhibit 4, Dylan’s Room Search, p. 1-3.)

I would argue that if there were drawings she had done with prominent, heavy, voluminous, puffy, or God forbid, bushy eyebrows, that may lead me, or a reasonable juror to believe that she takes notice of eyes and eyebrows, and thus means that her description of the murderer's eyebrows is very believable. And if motion is granted to prevent the state or any witness from describing the murderer as having "bushy eyebrows", (I do not think that motion will be given much serious consideration), absolutely nothing, AFAIK, would prevent the state from showing DM several random pictures of men with different types of eyebrows, including "bushy", and asking, do any of these look similar to the eyebrows you saw? JMO

 

[arielilane]

Idaho Judicial Cases of Interest has a new look and BK is on the front page.

Trial Court Cases​

Case Number County Case Name

CR01-24-31665 Ada State of Idaho v. Bryan C. Kohberger

Idaho Judicial Cases of Interest

 

[Megnut]

On the walls in her room were many pictures of eyes with prominent eyebrows. Many of which she had drawn. Some of the eyebrows are heavy, voluminous, puffy, or perhaps subjectively bushy. (Motion in Limine 7 - Exhibit 4, Dylan’s Room Search, p. 1-3.)

I would argue that if there were drawings she had done with prominent, heavy, voluminous, puffy, or God forbid, bushy eyebrows, that may lead me, or a reasonable juror to believe that she takes notice of eyes and eyebrows, and thus means that her description of the murderer's eyebrows is very believable. And if motion is granted to prevent the state or any witness from describing the murderer as having "bushy eyebrows", (I do not think that motion will be given much serious consideration), absolutely nothing, AFAIK, would prevent the state from showing DM several random pictures of men with different types of eyebrows, including "bushy", and asking, do any of these look similar to the eyebrows you saw? JMO

Even AT describes some of the eyebrow images from DM wall. Then quickly qualifies one. Subjectively bushy! What about subjectively puffy? Subjectively voluminous?

She's already said that any reference to 'bushy eyebrows' is too prejudicial because it accurately describes BK.

Worse, she makes it sound like a creepy wall display of eyes and eyebrows. They were drawings of PEOPLE.

JMO

 

[mrjitty]

Do we know when the in limine hearings are likely to be?

That Amazon one is going to be a cracker.

 

[arielilane]

There are so many documents, so forgive me if this is wrong, but perhaps it's included with the April 9th AT&T motions in Limini? moo


There is also an April 16 hearing scheduled.

 

[jepop]

Do we know when the in limine hearings are likely to be?

That Amazon one is going to be a cracker.

Scheduled for April 9th, according to the latest case summary. Originally scheduled for April 3rd but state and defense stipulated to extending out the deadlines to submit and reply to MILS in late Jan IIRC. Judge granted a subsequent motion and then elected to change the hearing date for a week later.

Last page or so of below.

https://coi.isc.idaho.gov/docs/CR01-24-31665/Summary/Current-Case-Summary.pdf