4 Univ of Idaho Students Murdered, Bryan Kohberger Arrested, Moscow, Nov 2022 #101

[jepop]

The sample was a mixture.
The lab tested BK against this DNA sample.
The lab would not test BK against an all female mixture.
JMO

From the lab reports and notes as well as recent testimony by Rylene Nowlin, it appears that at the sample Q1.1 was a swabbing of the leather strap on the sheath as well as the interior of the snap, not the outer snap surface, which apparently was not sampled in order to preserve the surface for fingerprinting. No serological testing was done on the area swabbed for Q1.1 to identify any biological material.10 An area identified as Q1.4, “swabs of stains on back” of the sheath, tested presumptively positive for blood and was DNA tested. Mr. Kohberger was excluded from this particular sample which was identified as a mixture (ISP Lab Report M2022-4843, #4). Thus, the government has the burden to prove the when and how of the DNA identified in Q1.1.

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https://coi.isc.idaho.gov/docs/CR01-24-31665/2025/022425-Defense-Motion-inLimine-6-RE-Rylene-Nowlin-Reference-Touch-Contact-DNA.pdf

The mixture on the sheathe from the blood imo is the victims, KG and MM. That is all I'm saying. Nothing you quoted changes that opinion. Not sure why you think the mixture from the blood on sheathe is specified as male and female. Jmo

 

[jepop]

AT is tossing salad again.

I'll wager right now the mixture of DNA is from MM and KG and AT knows this.

She can say, with a straight face, BK is excluded because THERE WAS NO Yin the mixture.

She wants to leave the impression that there's male DNA that didn't match BK but I think that facts will show he's excluded by virtue of the sample containing only female DNA.

Shell game.

It's nuts.

JMO

Yeah exactly, mission accomplished lol. She simply fails to mention that the mixture is the two female victims imo. There was victim blood found on the sheathe imo.

 

[sunshineray]

The sample was a mixture.
The lab tested BK against this DNA sample.
The lab would not test BK against an all female mixture.
JMO

From the lab reports and notes as well as recent testimony by Rylene Nowlin, it appears that at the sample Q1.1 was a swabbing of the leather strap on the sheath as well as the interior of the snap, not the outer snap surface, which apparently was not sampled in order to preserve the surface for fingerprinting. No serological testing was done on the area swabbed for Q1.1 to identify any biological material.10 An area identified as Q1.4, “swabs of stains on back” of the sheath, tested presumptively positive for blood and was DNA tested. Mr. Kohberger was excluded from this particular sample which was identified as a mixture (ISP Lab Report M2022-4843, #4). Thus, the government has the burden to prove the when and how of the DNA identified in Q1.1.

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https://coi.isc.idaho.gov/docs/CR01-24-31665/2025/022425-Defense-Motion-inLimine-6-RE-Rylene-Nowlin-Reference-Touch-Contact-DNA.pdf

What rules out the male DNA being EC? Do we even know for certain where the killing started? Could it have started downstairs with EC and XK?

 

[girlhasnoname]

It's in a location the killer isn't believed to have been.

It's a single spot of blood. No corresponding blood was found anywhere in the house, which one would expect if the offender had cut himself.

Factoring in the sheath, this blood is not exculpatory. It merely opens the door to the possibility BK had an accomplice.

Lots of issues with that one. It's not necessary, as this could have easily been committed by one man. The witness only saw one man. No evidence has been uncovered from BK's communications, and this isn't a guy who plays well with others to begin with. I mean, how the hell is he going to get someone to go alone with this anyway?

Double the killers means double the evidence, and a single blood spot ain't it.

I've said it a million times, but I believe he profiles as an organized serial killer. They always work alone, and his motivations were personal. He hated women (jibes with the crime scene), he had anger issues (jibes with the crime scene), and he was going to show up law enforcement by committing the perfect crime. He was going to be somebody, and take out his rage on those women at the same time.

Agree, and BK had recently been turned down when he applied for employment with Pullman LE. That had to sting for the smartest man in any room. Maybe he wanted to prove that his services were required.

JMO

 

[Kemug]

So, let's say that they manage to find 12 of the most gracious people in Idaho for BK's jury. And they believe every word AT says. And BK is found "Not Guilty".

Then what? He just leaves the courtroom. That is some scary stuff right there.

Don’t forget OJ, and Casey Anthony.

Well, at least he would have had his wings clipped, and be very careful from now on. No, seriously, it's a terrifying thought.

 

[MassGuy]

Agree, and BK had recently been turned down when he applied for employment with Pullman LE. That had to sting for the smartest man in any room. Maybe he wanted to prove that his services were required.

JMO

I'd be very surprised if he hadn't applied to and been rejected by law enforcement in the past (outside of that civilian job). I think that's why he stuck with the college stuff, hoping to do something on the civilian side. Now his college thing was falling apart, so it was get even time.

 

[mrjitty]

I'm still waiting to see a single shred of evidence pointing to multiple knives and/or another person with a knife.

the reason i don't put any value into the handrail dna is that there's no other supporting evidence that points to BK having an accomplice or someone else doing it. just one tiny piece in support of the handrail DNA would likely change my mind. MOO

I'm still waiting.

MOO

Agreed. This is just basics of logical inference.

First one must ask what evidence is established, and only then, what can be inferred. The DNA on the handrail is just a single fact from which no reliable inference can be drawn.

IMO it is a logical fallacy to take a speculative theory, and elevate it to this level when there is simply nothing to link this fact to the crime. If you could find more facts to support the theory then it would be different.

 

[girlhasnoname]

They almost had to be IN the bedroom with the door closed or DM was simply walking in the dark looking at her feet. When going down the stairs from the living room, you are staring down the hall to Xana's room.

I believe Xana and Ethan were in their room. The kitchen and main living area are separated from the small alcove of DM's room. Xana's room was off of the living area down a short hallway.

DM could have easily walked down the stairs in the dark or with just ambient lighting to BF's room. She had lived down in that same room before moving up to the second floor, she knew her way around.

JMO

 

[mrjitty]

IMO AT has seen the reports and knows what the evidence is.

JMO

IMO we've now seen that AT has a history of making misleading statements in her submissions that were torn down when we got to see the actual evidence - like when those law enforcement emails proved the opposite of what she said.

 

[mrjitty]

SBMFF

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AT Reading the email that's been placed in front of you, does that refresh your recollection about what you believed to be the place the sheath was swabbed?
A. Very much so.
Q. Where was it swabbed?
A. The entire leather portion of the strap, both top and bottom, and then the underside of the button. I misspoke, she did not swab the top of the button because that was determined to be the most likely place for fingerprints to be found.

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An area identified as Q1.4, “swabs of stains on back” of the sheath, tested presumptively positive for blood and was DNA tested. Mr. Kohberger was excluded from this particular sample which was identified as a mixture.

https://coi.isc.idaho.gov/docs/CR01...Rylene-Nowlin-Reference-Touch-Contact-DNA.pdf

JMO

So we know he wasn't bleeding then. Which makes sense as he was the one doing the stabbing and the victims doing the bleeding.

IMO

 

[jepop]

It's hard to believe an unidentified male profile on the sheath, or even a partial profile, would not be front and center at the request for a Franks hearing as something that would be potentially exculpatory and should have been included in the PCA.
JMO

Yes. Leads me to conclude there was no unidentified male DNA found on the sheathe. Imo, nowhere in 23rd Jan transcript or available MILs is this at all specified. But moo of course people are free to get creative and read between the lines but let's be clear, anything like that is simply pure speculation which does not as you say make much sense given what is known. This is my opinion only.

 

[mrjitty]

It's hard to believe an unidentified male profile on the sheath, or even a partial profile, would not be front and center at the request for a Franks hearing as something that would be potentially exculpatory and should have been included in the PCA.
JMO

I agree Wendy

I've noted over recent weeks that you can't imply the existence of evidence based on something counsel doesn't say but supposedly implies. Remember when AT supposedly exposed the deception of the car expert in the deposition when she never actually put such a contention to the witness, then we discovered she knew the truth of it all along?

If she had an email showing how law enforcement had colluded with the FBI car expert she would have put it to the witness in the depo. That is the whole point of doing the depo.

I'd counsel against such fine slicing of words in oral argument. I can't recall a time where such an approach actually predicted the existence of evidence the D was hiding up it's sleeve.

IMO counsel simply does not do this if she has the actual evidence. As you say it would be in her motions if potentially exculpatory DNA evidence of someone else was on the murder weapon sheath.

MOO

 

[mrjitty]

Yes. Leads me to conclude there was no unidentified male DNA found on the sheathe. Imo, nowhere in 23rd Jan transcript or available MILs is this at all specified. But moo of course people are free to get creative and read between the lines but let's be clear, anything like that is simply pure speculation which does not as you say make much sense given what is known. This is my opinion only.

Quite apart from Franks, who exactly would AT be hiding this mysterious DNA from exactly? IMO that was not her point. It is of course important to the defence that the defendants DNA was not found directly in the carnage of the crime scene.

MOO

 

[Nila Aella]

Because the sheath was found with MM and KG. If they were killed first, and the sheath then left there, then there should be no male blood on it whatsoever.
If there's male blood on it, then it has to be Ethan's, and that would mean he and Xana were killed first, before BK moved on to MM and KG, when he left the sheath.

The blood sample was DNA tested.
It does raise questions about order.
JMO

If this male blood was unidentified, then the defense would be screaming to the heavens about it, instead of pointing to a blood drop on a railing.

The D has brought up A (sheath), B (railing), and D (gloves).
JMO

If it belonged to BK, we'd know about that too.

It doesn't belong to BK because he was excluded.
JMO

So I'm questioning the veracity of this, as there's no way I'm the first to come to this conclusion. Unless there was no male blood on the sheath.

I'm sorry, where does that say there was any male DNA in the mixture?
I only see this:
"One of the mixtures, did it have a male DNA profile? A. I believe it did."

One of the mixtures. Not all of the mixtures. ETA: and that one mixture is not identified as the one on the sheath at any point.

The above mixture in your post is referring to the trash pull mixture (BKs DNA).

The sheath:
An area identified as Q1.4, “swabs of stains on back” of the sheath, tested presumptively positive for blood and was DNA tested. Mr. Kohberger was excluded from this particular sample which was identified as a mixture (ISP Lab Report M2022-4843, #4).

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https://coi.isc.idaho.gov/docs/CR01-24-31665/2025/022425-Defense-Motion-inLimine-6-RE-Rylene-Nowlin-Reference-Touch-Contact-DNA.pdf

There was blood on the back of the sheath.
It was DNA tested.
It was a mixture.
BK was excluded.

RN IGG transcript pg 76

So on this item I believe there was also blood, so they would have been targeting that separate and then also trying to determine who may have handled that, so they would have specifically honed in on an area that whoever handled it would have had to have touched and maybe touched repeatedly.

https://coi.isc.idaho.gov/docs/CR01-24-31665/2025/022125-Transcript-Redacted-hearing-held-Jan23-2025.pdf

JMO

 

[girlhasnoname]

So we know he wasn't bleeding then. Which makes sense as he was the one doing the stabbing and the victims doing the bleeding.

IMO

Right, one or 2 quick strikes in the area of the chest or throat as the local coroner first reported with a lethal weapon made for killing to a sleeping Maddie and barely awake Kaylee. They were killed and left bleeding out in their bed in a relatively contained area IMO.The massive bloody crime scene that LE found at noon the next day was after the victims had bleed out.

It was reported early on that Xana had defensive wounds to her hands IIRC? I don't think we can definitively rule out that Xana and Ethan might have been killed first at this point. We know that Xana was awake and on TIKTOK and had received a DD order. It's the sheath left by Maddie that throws me off the idea.

If Xana and Ethan were killed first, that could account for the blood on the stair railing and the mixed DNA if Bryan touched the rail with a gloved hand. If male DNA was identified it could have been Ethan's mixed with Xana's.

Just hypothesizing, need more coffee. We have learned a few new things since the Motions have been released such as DM going down to BF's room to sleep. Who knows?

JMO

 

[mrjitty]

Right, one or 2 quick strikes in the area of the chest or throat as the local coroner first reported with a lethal weapon made for killing to a sleeping Maddie and barely awake Kaylee. They were killed and left bleeding out in their bed in a relatively contained area IMO.The massive bloody crime scene that LE found at noon the next day was after the victims had bleed out.

It was reported early on that Xana had defensive wounds to her hands IIRC? I don't think we can definitively rule out that Xana and Ethan might have been killed first at this point. We know that Xana was awake and on TIKTOK and had received a DD order. It's the sheath left by Maddie that throws me off the idea.

If Xana and Ethan were killed first, that could account for the blood on the stair railing and the mixed DNA if Bryan touched the rail with a gloved hand. If male DNA was identified it could have been Ethan's mixed with Xana's.

Just hypothesizing, need more coffee. We have learned a few new things since the Motions have been released such as DM going down to BF's room to sleep. Who knows?

JMO

It's only wild speculation on my part, but I think Xana and Ethan were last. He got more than he bargained for, which is why DM subsequently survived.

MOO

 

[girlhasnoname]

Was she possibly an art major?

Very possible, I have a niece that is an Art Major and she does a lot of facial drawings and always obsesses over the eyes. I collect and have been gifted pieces by Johnathan Adler and they are works with eyes specifically.

Eyes are the windows to the soul, good or bad IMO.

 

[girlhasnoname]

It's only wild speculation on my part, but I think Xana and Ethan were last. He got more than he bargained for, which is why DM subsequently survived.

MOO

You are more than likely right, just thinking outside the box. It's all so terrible regardless of the order in which they were brutally slaughtered.

I feel very sorry for DM and BF when the trial comes. They will be reliving a terrible nightmare and re-victimized IMO. I wonder how BK will react while they are testifying?

JMO

 

[girlhasnoname]

He was excluded with further testing of the fingernail mixture.

More importantly, Mr. Kohberger has disclosed that through further independent laboratory testing, he is eliminated as a contributor to Item 13.1.

https://coi.isc.idaho.gov/docs/CR01-24-31665/2025/022425-Motion-inLimine5-RE-Inconclusive-Data.pdf

JMO

Not surprising if BK was wearing coveralls, mask and gloves, which of course he would know to do considering his Criminal Justice Education. He wouldn't be shedding DNA. JMO

 

[mrjitty]

In regards to the "click" activity, I think it's relevant regardless of if they have the knife purchase or not. I don't see it as an indication that they do not, as there are other incriminating purchases he would have made (or looked into making) as well.

A set of dark covered coveralls, or coveralls in general.
Booties, gloves, mask, seat cover, etc.

I buy a lot of stuff from Amazon, but I also research things on Amazon and buy them elsewhere. I also look things up on Amazon and never buy them.

Whether this actually comes in is another matter. I think the defense made some good arguments there.

I hope it comes in personally.

It's my view that even the recommendations will be highly relevant. let the experts at trial argue about what can be safely inferred.

Another aspect i was thinking about is often these platforms know what you search for or have content about elsewhere. So for example if you start getting programmatic recommendations of a knife, that could be related to your general profile, not just what you do on Amazon. The whole industry is based on this kind of profiling.

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