4 Univ of Idaho Students Murdered, Bryan Kohberger Arrested, Moscow, Nov 2022 #101

[Megnut]

If LE has footage of the Elantra 4 times, the last of which includes speeding off at 4:20, how is AT going to explain why there's no video capturing the Elantra between 4:09 and 4:20?

Eerie how that lines up exactly with the timeline of the crime.

So where was BK, AT, if he wasn't 'driving around' during that critical window?

Prolly he's gonna need another alibi for 4:09-4:20 when he wasn't driving around.

JMO

 

[Gigiky]

I was thinking last night about HK. Him taking the lead / responsibility to go into that house to check and see what was going on. And then after finding what he did and keeping his composure. What a responsible mature level headed young man. And then not telling the girls to protect them for as long as time would allow. It makes you think that's why he was called to come over in the first place because his friends must see these attributes in him. Any Mother would be proud to have son like HK.

 

[schooling]

IMO - It’s not criticism just because it’s not understood. None of the explanations make sense to me is all. I thought it would be obvious if you’re ’terrified’ to simply call 911. I’m interested to hear from them why they didn’t do that so perhaps I can understand better but I am in no way criticising them, I’d just like a better understanding, because to me, the situation screamed ‘call 911’. In horror movies, no one ever turns on the lights or simply gets out of the house to get help so maybe it is truer to real life than I imagined? Or maybe it’s as simple as, I’ve never really felt terrified so I don’t really know what I would do if I was, I can only imagine what I’d do, not what I’d actually do perhaps. MOO

IMO most people don’t scream. They are shocked. They become paralyzed with fear. They pass out. They vomit. They comply to try and save their lives. I’ve read countless books about serial killers and most of the accounts are the same. JMO

And IMO believe that a lot of people are losing a sense of scale when it comes to the Moscow home and it’s outwardly appearance. The floors of the home weren’t all that big. Not all that spread out.

Compare it to your home.

What would you do if you heard the footsteps of a mad man going from room to room inside of the confines of your home. That’s probably the best way to picture it.

And you were behind closed doors and could hear something unimaginably awful going on in and around your home. And the entire time your brain is struggling to rationalize it.

Would you leave your doors? Would you believe your ears? Would you go looking for your roommates?

All MOO.

 

[MassGuy]

I wonder if they’re trying to connect BK to the victims here. Perhaps he saw them at the store and followed them home. If that’s not what’s going on, that’s still a plausible scenario (in general) that explains how they were chosen.

https://coi.isc.idaho.gov/docs/CR01-24-31665/2025/022425-REDACTED-States-Motion-inLimine-RE-Self-Authentication-Records.pdf

 

[SteveP]

If the State has the evidence I think they do have, they won't take the DP off the table IMO. Depending on the authenticity and nature of the mitigating factors the Defense will present before sentencing, they may have some sway from all 12 jurors agreeing to the DP.

I don't believe it will, as I think BK had this massacre well planned in advance. I think he wanted to experience 'killing' and thought he was smart enough to get away with it. If ever there is a case for the DP, this certainly would qualify IMO.

I also believe that the state will not take the DP off of the table, but the jurors must be unanimous in their vote to impose it, and looking at even recent past history, that is not a given. In 2024, Chad Daybell was given the DP for the murders of his wife and two stepchildren, in Idaho, but in 2023, Lori Vallow received multiple consecutive life sentences for the murders of her same two children and conspiracy to commit murder of Tammy Daybell. Assuming that the defense is not able to convince the court that there are mitigating factors that should disqualify BK from being sentenced to death, the state still has to convince all 12 jurors that the DP is the only appropriate sentence to return. I think BK's best hope is that one juror cannot vote to end his life. JMO

 

[BUF]

I wonder if they’re trying to connect BK to the victims here. Perhaps he saw them at the store and followed them home. If that’s not what’s going on, that’s still a plausible scenario (in general) that explains how they were chosen.
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It sure seems that may be the case. How many trials have connected the perpetrator to the victim(s) with cctv videos in the store and parking lot?

Walmart has continually been used for this.

 

[sassyblue]

I also believe that the state will not take the DP off of the table, but the jurors must be unanimous in their vote to impose it, and looking at even recent past history, that is not a given. In 2024, Chad Daybell was given the DP for the murders of his wife and two stepchildren, in Idaho, but in 2023, Lori Vallow received multiple consecutive life sentences for the murders of her same two children and conspiracy to commit murder of Tammy Daybell. Assuming that the defense is not able to convince the court that there are mitigating factors that should disqualify BK from being sentenced to death, the state still has to convince all 12 jurors that the DP is the only appropriate sentence to return. I think BK's best hope is that one juror cannot vote to end his life. JMO

The DP was taken off the table in Lori Vallow Daybell's case though. Due to the fact she never waived her right to a speedy trial. So the DP was dropped.

 

[SteveP]

I wonder if they’re trying to connect BK to the victims here. Perhaps he saw them at the store and followed them home. If that’s not what’s going on, that’s still a plausible scenario (in general) that explains how they were chosen.
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Looking at Google maps, the WinCo in question is almost certainly at 1700 Pullman Rd. From BK's apartment, that places it 15 min (8.2 mi) away, via Airport Rd/Pullman Airport Rd. The distance from 1122 King Rd is 6 min (1.8 mi) via Nez Perce Dr and Perimeter Dr.

It is very easy to see this grocery store as a location where BK may have encountered one or more of the girls. JMO

 

[Megnut]

Except for BK's departure out of the gate (and his strategic turn away from Moscow), I really can't past the fact that he then drove essentially directly to the 1122 neighborhood. Then he circled, always back to the same point. This wasn't some spontaneous crime and an opportune location where any primo location would have been picked. Seems obvious he'd been there before. He was homed in on it.

Which leads credence to 1. he'd been they're before 2. he didn't find it by accident. I'm going to go one further and say none of the victims gave him their address but I'm can't say he didn't, at some point, ask for it.

Whether from a store or the Mad Greek, at some point, he followed one of them home.

Cautionary tale, scary as hell, that you can simply be going about your life, living it fully, while a twisted individual is plotting to take it.

JMO

 

[girlhasnoname]

It sure seems that may be the case. How many trials have connected the perpetrator to the victim(s) with cctv videos in the store and parking lot?

Walmart has continually been used for this.

Right, untold numbers of perps have been captured on Walmart surveillance. I'd love to know the actual number.

 

[Megnut]

Right, untold numbers of perps have been captured on Walmart surveillance. I'd love to know the actual number.

I'm telling you, they should put all that stuff in one aisle, beef up the surveillance and livestream it straight to the local PD. Every day and twice when there's a protective order in place.

I wonder if LE has some nice footage of BK shopping -- you know, the shopping is better in Moscow. What all did he buy? And when?

I know he was working on his PhD and had been studying criminal psychology but I don't think he was listening very carefully.

JMO

 

[girlhasnoname]

IMO - It’s not criticism just because it’s not understood. None of the explanations make sense to me is all. I thought it would be obvious if you’re ’terrified’ to simply call 911. I’m interested to hear from them why they didn’t do that so perhaps I can understand better but I am in no way criticising them, I’d just like a better understanding, because to me, the situation screamed ‘call 911’. In horror movies, no one ever turns on the lights or simply gets out of the house to get help so maybe it is truer to real life than I imagined? Or maybe it’s as simple as, I’ve never really felt terrified so I don’t really know what I would do if I was, I can only imagine what I’d do, not what I’d actually do perhaps. MOO

DM didn't say 'terrified', she said she was 'freaked out'. That's a big difference to me. I don't think she had a clue and was genuinely confused. We know she thought Kaylee might have been playing with the dog. Maddie and Kaylee had been texting Kaylee's former boyfriend, maybe she thought he showed up.

When living in my off campus housing during College, there was a basic rule. You don't just call 911 (snitch in the young ones eyes), that's an unwritten code for these life inexperienced young adults and probably still is today I'd imagine, especially if you're not actually seeing a murder or violence being committed.

DM was confused and didn't call 911 IMO 1) Because she didn't know what was truly happening if anything 2) She wouldn't want the police showing up if someone had a late night booty call or something silly and risk her friends getting upset with her. That would have been a logical thing for her to think, just as it would have been if I'd have been in the same situation.

A quadruple murder wasn't on her list of possibilities for the night that's for sure. I'm sure she is emotionally tormented over the whole situation and will be for the rest of her life.

JMO

 

[BeginnerSleuther]

The PCA stated that BK had made approx. 12 trips according to cell data to the location of the house on Kings where the murders took place, from August - November, usually very late at night/early morning. He was ticketed for no seat belt during one of those trips so we know it was BK.

No it didn't. It said he made 12 trips to Moscow where his phone used cell resources that provided coverage to the house, not that he made trips to the location of the house. There is no evidence that I'm aware of that suggests he traveled to the house prior to the murders.

Bryan Kohberger Probable Cause Affidavit

There is little information regarding motive in the court filings, and the details of the actual crime have been redacted from the filing, but it is alleged that Kohberger may have been stalking his victims for months before their deaths.

www.insideedition.com

The night of the murders the State has CCTV from different locations alleging it was BK and his vehicle. I think we'll have to wait to see if it is proven correct at trial. Dueling CAST expert testimony.

MOO

 

[Balthazar]

can anyone give me a summary of what this new evidence presents? does it change anything? he dna under mm's finger nails is interesting but there doesn't seem to be much detail about it, ie was it dna from blood or other material? was it found under just one nail? was it in copious amounts?

I'm wondering if they should do a roundup of people the guys were known to be in contact with immediately preceding the murders in an effort to rule out people. its been done before now, they just dispose of the sample after.

Early on in this case, almost all the college guys these victims knew gave their DNA to help solve this case and those who didn't willingly give their DNA to police, the police took it surreptitiously. I think it is likely LE has the DNA of the guys MM was around at the Corner Club and Grub Truck that night and they have already been able to rule them in or out as contributing to the DNA under her fingernail.

 

[Balthazar]

I don’t know that I have a specific source. But the fact that apparently all traces of biological evidence seem to have been removed - save one small area pointing to a certain suspect perhaps might lead one to conclude similarly? And I am fairly certain I have read many times in published sources the past many months and years….. that the sheath was thought to have been cleaned? But if there are any posts in the circa 101 BK threads on this I will not be able to find them.

Maybe not the best source but this New York Post online February 8, 2023 article by Patrick Reilly entitled ‘Accused Idaho murderer Bryan Kohberger may have left knife sheath behind to mislead investigators: expert’:

Accused Idaho murderer Bryan Kohberger may have left knife sheath behind to mislead investigators: expert

“If you took a pistol out of your holster, wouldn’t you put it back in?” asked John Kelly, a psychotherapist who has interviewed serial killers.

nypost.com

Excerpt from that article: “The sheath - which was found in bed with two of the four victims - could have been left behind purposefully after it was thoroughly wiped down, Kelly said.” (NB: per the article Kelly is John Kelly, a psychotherapist who was interviewed serial killers.)

Perhaps the perpetrator thought in their mind that they might have cleaned the knife sheath ‘forensically’. At least well enough to avoid incriminating evidence? My further suspicion is that evidence of some sort of ‘cleaning’, whether ‘forensically’ or the like - if an assailant had carried a knife in sheath to a crime scene…… and then separated them for use, it seems reasonable to conclude they might have left more evidence on either item? Aside from the tiny amount supposedly use to make a genealogical link to the now charged suspect. To my knowledge the knife itself has not yet been recovered. At least not per publicly available information or sources. MOO

There is 0 evidence the sheath was cleaned.

 

[Boxer]

There is 0 evidence the sheath was cleaned.

But also, there no evidence that there is any other reason for the 20 cells that provided DNA to be present other than the object being touched by BK.
The jury will be able decide what they think most likely.

 

[MassGuy]

But also, there no evidence that there is any other reason for the 20 cells that provided DNA to be present other than the object being touched by BK.
The jury will be able decide what they think most likely.

This 20 cell thing appears to be made up. I used the number (.168ng/ul) that was provided in the defense motion in regards to the use of the term "touch DNA," and plugged it into a few programs. They all suggest that it's possible we're talking about hundreds of cells here (tough to estimate without volume though).

There was clearly enough for the lab to do its testing, and to pass on a sample to Othram. There is no mention of the testing being consumptive, so it's reasonable to assume there's some left over.

 

[Balthazar]

I disagree. I think that is highly illogical and actually not possible; because it would have formed part of defense's arguments at Franks. We know from the hearings, the 23rd Jan transcript and Judge Hippler's order that this was not the case. IMO this will prove to be a mixture of the victim's blood. That makes the most sense and is the most reasonable explanation. Jmo

Then what is Unknown Male C?

 

[MassGuy]

Then what is Unknown Male C?

Who knows. All we can be sure of is that it's not very helpful to the defense, as they haven't made a big deal about it.

 

[Megnut]

It was never twenty cells. IMO the 20 refers to loci/alleles.

JMO

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