4 Univ of Idaho Students Murdered, Bryan Kohberger Arrested, Moscow, Nov 2022 #101

[SteveP]

No. That is what was written in the PCA but in the Jan. 23-24 hearings, it came out that that was false. DM specifically said the man she saw was her height 5'7" or taller. Please go back to Ashley Jennings who explained all of this at the Jan 23-24 hearing.

According to Ashley Jennings DM is 5'7". AJ could be wrong for all I know, but that is what she stated in court.

According to you, as I do not wish to go hunting the link, Ashley Jennings said that DM specifically said the man she saw was her height, 5'7" or taller. He was. End of discussion. JMO

 

[Boxer]

DM looked up BK's photo when he was arrested and did not recognize BK at all. What DM told LE about the man she saw, she indicated he was her height (5'7") or a little taller than her, not 5 inches taller than her. (Per Ashley Jennings, Jan 23, 2025) BK is 6'. Based on all of this, DM is probably afraid right now that LE did not arrest the right person. And, IF BF did not know before, BF knows now that DM did not recognize BK, so BF is likely also afraid. However, both of these women moved away from Moscow and did not come back after BK's arrest, which likely cost them a some of their college credits since they transferred to new schools. They would have had to repeat and pay extra for these credits and it would delay their graduation. Their moves to new schools probably cost them dearly, but obviously it was THAT important to both of them not to continue at UofI Moscow and we have seen that BF did not want to return to Moscow even AFTER BK's arrest, to do a deposition for the defense, even with a guarantee by LE she would not be arrested for whatever reason. It seems like BF and DM are afraid of Moscow for some reason. So, IMO, neither has felt safe since the case began and they both moved out of Moscow. IMO, neither BF nor DM are acting like witnesses who are convinced that LE has arrested the right person. JMO.

All JMO.

MOO he was moving in a tactical manner, knees bent and hunched a bit.
The tactical hunch: walk with your knees slightly bent, rolling heel-to-toe, keeping your head and weapon steady.

 

[jepop]

DM looked up BK's photo when he was arrested and did not recognize BK at all. What DM told LE about the man she saw, she indicated he was her height (5'7") or a little taller than her, not 5 inches taller than her. (Per Ashley Jennings, Jan 23, 2025) BK is 6'. Based on all of this, DM is probably afraid right now that LE did not arrest the right person. And, IF BF did not know before, BF knows now that DM did not recognize BK, so BF is likely also afraid. However, both of these women moved away from Moscow and did not come back after BK's arrest, which likely cost them a some of their college credits since they transferred to new schools. They would have had to repeat and pay extra for these credits and it would delay their graduation. Their moves to new schools probably cost them dearly, but obviously it was THAT important to both of them not to continue at UofI Moscow and we have seen that BF did not want to return to Moscow even AFTER BK's arrest, to do a deposition for the defense, even with a guarantee by LE she would not be arrested for whatever reason. It seems like BF and DM are afraid of Moscow for some reason. So, IMO, neither has felt safe since the case began and they both moved out of Moscow. IMO, neither BF nor DM are acting like witnesses who are convinced that LE has arrested the right person. JMO.

All JMO.

Wow. My comment was in passing to another poster, simply stating how I imagine those to two girls might feel if BK, somehow was to be found not guilty.

I can't fathom how how anyone could not comprehend why either of them left Moscow after what happened. Of course they did. And they may never want to return again after what happened. Trauma and all that, you know. Jmo

If you have some approved source that suggests DM or BF think LE got the wrong person please share. Otherwise there is absolutely no basis to speculate and extrapolate such a conclusion from their completely normal and understandable behaviour in the circumstances. Wow.

 

[Ghostwheel]

No. That is what was written in the PCA but in the Jan. 23-24 hearings, it came out that that was false. DM specifically said the man she saw was her height 5'7" or taller. Please go back to Ashley Jennings who explained all of this at the Jan 23-24 hearing.

According to Ashley Jennings DM is 5'7". AJ could be wrong for all I know, but that is what she stated in court.

Well, look at the famous picture of Dylan with the roommates. She is not 5'7" unless Kaylee is under 5 feet.

 

[MassGuy]

why would he be found not guilty? the new DNA? I'm struggling to gauge what that is and means if anyone cold provide a summary please would be appreciated. its new blood right? under mm nails or the sheaf? notsure how it changes things unless its presence adds to evidence suggesting another assailant.

There is absolutely nothing that we've learned that concerns me in the least. There are some tantalizing things that have me curious about what else the prosecution has though:

Some of those things on the evidence list the prosecution will be introducing, and some things the judge alluded to in one of the hearings.

Based on some of the defense filings, and that Frank's order, it appears that the defense doesn't have much at all to push back with. In many cases I do see things that concern me, but there is just nothing here.

 

[Arkay]

Their moves to new schools probably cost them dearly, but obviously it was THAT important to both of them not to continue at UofI Moscow and we have seen that BF did not want to return to Moscow even AFTER BK's arrest, to do a deposition for the defense, even with a guarantee by LE she would not be arrested for whatever reason. It seems like BF and DM are afraid of Moscow for some reason. So, IMO, neither has felt safe since the case began and they both moved out of Moscow. IMO, neither BF nor DM are acting like witnesses who are convinced that LE has arrested the right person. JMO.

SBM

With all due respect I genuinely cannot follow your reasoning here.

For what possible cause would the two survivors have to worry about being arrested??? Nobody thinks they killed their friends. Nobody thinks they are lying about what they experienced. They should have called 911, yes, but the reasons they didn’t aren’t because they were in on the plot.

You state “it seems like BF and DM are afraid of Moscow for some reason.”
I would think this is the most obvious thing in the world. Their friends were sliced to death in their shared home. It could easily have been them as well.

Moving to a new school and possibly having to retake some courses for credit is a hassle in an ordinary situation. This was as urgent a crisis as can be, so IMO transferring to a new school is not traumatic. It’s a blessing actually.

Even if BK confessed to everything, followed by imprisonment and maybe the death penalty, I think BF and DM will be triggered for the rest of their lives.

If they become mothers someday, the grisly murders of their college friends, under their same roof, is apt to impact what freedom they allow their children.
It’s PTSD.

JMO

 

[Balthazar]

So, now leaving the town where someone entered your house and murdered your roommates is seen as suspicious or thinking that the police got the wrong person?

Where did I say that it was suspicious? I said they are afraid. Two completely different things. Please do not misquote me or make up things I have said.

Leaving and going back home to your family for support is odd? DM had horrid nightmares and lucid dreams before--what do you think they were like after the murders? I'd be sleeping in my parents bedroom with the lights on for the next 4 months straight.

BF went to California. Her family is in Reno. DM went home and then to a different school.

Transferring to another college instead of going back to the town and school where the biggest horror in your life occurred is somehow questionable behavior??

I said their behavior indicates they are afraid. How is being afraid questionable behavior considering what they endured? Again, you are attempting to change what I wrote into something it is not. Please go back and reread my post. It is very sympathetic towards BF and DM. Why try to turn something nice I've said about them into something bad? I don't understand your motivation here?

Let's see....if my choices are transfer to a different college with the possibility that I might have to retake a college credit...maybe need to go by my middle name instead of my first (not saying either did, but I would given that their names are pretty unique)....

Ummm...It is a BIG deal to do that. The cost would be around $28,494 per semester. So total of $56,988 to retake classes. That is as much as some people make in a year. So don't act like it's no big deal to change schools. They also lost their places in their sororities and would have to pay to go through rush again which is also very expensive $4,000 - $8,500 plus $15,000 for the first year. The motivation to do all of this had to be that they are scared. I can't blame them.

or

go back to Moscow where there were reporters/podcasters everywhere for months (and then again each time BK had a court date) who would hound me.....back to U of Idaho where I can see people staring at me and talking behind my back...back to the town where so many places I would see would have painful memories of my roommates...

I'm certain that their sororities would have helped to protect them. They would have walked them to class, made sure they weren't alone, etc...and they would have been with friends who they had known from before as opposed to going to a new school and having to start over making friends.

....then I'll happily retake any college credit I need to at a new school...and I'm not stepping foot near Moscow until I have to for the trial.

I don't think it would have made a bit of difference if the very next day after the murders BK had walked into the police station and confessed. And years later was put to death. For many people, after something like the horrors of the murders, they NEVER feel safe again. How can you when you now know that the bogeyman is VERY real? When you know better than anyone that you can't assume you are safe in your own house? Especially when you feel that it was just sheer luck that you survived that night.

BK was arrested in December 2022. If they were confident he did this, I don't see any reason they should not have continued school with their friends and saved themselves from the expense and trouble of having to retake a bunch of classes unless they are afraid for some reason.

 

[detectivewannab]

DM looked up BK's photo when he was arrested and did not recognize BK at all. What DM told LE about the man she saw, she indicated he was her height (5'7") or a little taller than her, not 5 inches taller than her. (Per Ashley Jennings, Jan 23, 2025) BK is 6'. Based on all of this, DM is probably afraid right now that LE did not arrest the right person. And, IF BF did not know before, BF knows now that DM did not recognize BK, so BF is likely also afraid. However, both of these women moved away from Moscow and did not come back after BK's arrest, which likely cost them a some of their college credits since they transferred to new schools. They would have had to repeat and pay extra for these credits and it would delay their graduation. Their moves to new schools probably cost them dearly, but obviously it was THAT important to both of them not to continue at UofI Moscow and we have seen that BF did not want to return to Moscow even AFTER BK's arrest, to do a deposition for the defense, even with a guarantee by LE she would not be arrested for whatever reason. It seems like BF and DM are afraid of Moscow for some reason. So, IMO, neither has felt safe since the case began and they both moved out of Moscow. IMO, neither BF nor DM are acting like witnesses who are convinced that LE has arrested the right person. JMO.

All JMO.

I do not agree. As an adult I would of moved. They got him and that why AT grasping at anything.GUILTY

 

[Boxer]

Well, look at the famous picture of Dylan with the roommates. She is not 5'7" unless Kaylee is under 5 feet.

DM 5'10"

 

[Rosydecember]

Where did I say that it was suspicious? I said they are afraid. Two completely different things. Please do not misquote me or make up things I have said.

BF went to California. Her family is in Reno. DM went home and then to a different school.

I said their behavior indicates they are afraid. How is being afraid questionable behavior considering what they endured? Again, you are attempting to change what I wrote into something it is not. Please go back and reread my post. It is very sympathetic towards BF and DM. Why try to turn something nice I've said about them into something bad? I don't understand your motivation here?

Ummm...It is a BIG deal to do that. The cost would be around $28,494 per semester. So total of $56,988 to retake classes. That is as much as some people make in a year. So don't act like it's no big deal to change schools. They also lost their places in their sororities and would have to pay to go through rush again which is also very expensive $4,000 - $8,500 plus $15,000 for the first year. The motivation to do all of this had to be that they are scared. I can't blame them.

I'm certain that their sororities would have helped to protect them. They would have walked them to class, made sure they weren't alone, etc...and they would have been with friends who they had known from before as opposed to going to a new school and having to start over making friends.

BK was arrested in December 2022. If they were confident he did this, I don't see any reason they should not have continued school with their friends and saved themselves from the expense and trouble of having to retake a bunch of classes unless they are afraid for some reason.

I still can’t follow your logic or reasoning. Agree to disagree

 

[Boodles]

DM looked up BK's photo when he was arrested and did not recognize BK at all. What DM told LE about the man she saw, she indicated he was her height (5'7") or a little taller than her, not 5 inches taller than her. (Per Ashley Jennings, Jan 23, 2025) BK is 6'. Based on all of this, DM is probably afraid right now that LE did not arrest the right person. And, IF BF did not know before, BF knows now that DM did not recognize BK, so BF is likely also afraid. However, both of these women moved away from Moscow and did not come back after BK's arrest, which likely cost them a some of their college credits since they transferred to new schools. They would have had to repeat and pay extra for these credits and it would delay their graduation. Their moves to new schools probably cost them dearly, but obviously it was THAT important to both of them not to continue at UofI Moscow and we have seen that BF did not want to return to Moscow even AFTER BK's arrest, to do a deposition for the defense, even with a guarantee by LE she would not be arrested for whatever reason. It seems like BF and DM are afraid of Moscow for some reason. So, IMO, neither has felt safe since the case began and they both moved out of Moscow. IMO, neither BF nor DM are acting like witnesses who are convinced that LE has arrested the right person. JMO.

All JMO.

Afraid of Moscow for some reason? If I was subjected to that trauma, I’d be afraid of everywhere, and would never consider stepping foot in that town again. Trauma can do a number on your psyche. I think your speculations are weak and willfully ignoring effects of trauma for whatever reason.

 

[jepop]

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According to you, as I do not wish to go hunting the link, Ashley Jennings said that DM specifically said the man she saw was her height, 5'7" or taller. He was. End of discussion. JMO

Yes, agree. I always say DM did so well to remember what she did. What a brave young woman. As Hippler concluded regarding the PCA, nothing wrong here. Nothing to see here. Moo

 

[detectivewannab]

AT would be a fool to go after these witness.

 

[Boxer]

AT would be a fool to go after these witness.

She has little else so she wiil.

 

[Boxer]

Dylan M. Is 5'10"

 

[jepop]

why would he be found not guilty? the new DNA? I'm struggling to gauge what that is and means if anyone cold provide a summary please would be appreciated. its new blood right? under mm nails or the sheaf? notsure how it changes things unless its presence adds to evidence suggesting another assailant.

Yeah sorry, I was just responding to another poster in passing and imagining how the two surviving roommates might feel. I don't have any reason to feel he'll be found ng. Sorry I even posted, given the other response it elicited. Jmo

 

[Sweeper2000]

its everybody talking about it and i cant decipher what is being said but thanks for the replies guys. I'll just assume its an attempt to muddy the waters a little bit but I haven't read anything that changes the situation for BK.

 

[Ghostwheel]

DM 5'10"

I don't suppose you have a link? Just because I cannot remember where I might have seen that she was taller than average. If not, no problem. Its for my own use.

 

[Cool Cats]

Afraid of Moscow for some reason? If I was subjected to that trauma, I’d be afraid of everywhere, and would never consider stepping foot in that town again. Trauma can do a number on your psyche. I think your speculations are weak and willfully ignoring effects of trauma for whatever reason.

They simply left college and went home like I would do if my roommates were murdered in my dorm and the killer is on the loose. My mom would make me come home. Murderer was still out there, could have come back to get rid of them, get rid of the 2 witnessess.

For safety they had to leave and they left before BK was caught and were most likely relieved he was caught.

What was she supposed to do? Measure him? Ridiculous.

The witness testimony is such that BK couldn't be ruled out, that it is possible it was him. A description far from BK's looks did not happen and matched his license info and photo.

2 Cents

 

[INfisherman]

They simply left college and went home like I would do if my roommates were murdered in my dorm and the killer is on the loose. My mom would make me come home. Murderer was still out there, could have come back to get rid of them, get rid of the 2 witnessess.

For safety they had to leave and they left before BK was caught and were most likely relieved he was caught.

What was she supposed to do? Measure him? Ridiculous.

2 Cents

Agreed