4 Univ of Idaho Students Murdered, Bryan Kohberger Arrested, Moscow, Nov 2022 #102

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  • #521
When his apartment was search the shower curtain was missing.
That was odd. But unlike many others, I'm not convinced an apartment, even one that is technically grad student housing, would come with a landlord-supplied shower curtain. I'd think that would be tenant-supplied. And some tenants don't supply them. (I lived below some college guys in a regular off-campus apartment once & had water through my ceiling!)

Any rate rate, I'm not sure I see a curtain in the selfie. Looks like grout lines to me.
MOO
 
  • #522
Great picture! Zoom in, that is not a shower curtain on the right. You can see the tile grout.
Nice catch.

Isn't that something? His shower curtain was missing when he left in December.... but it was also missing at 10:31 am on November 13, 2022....

AT wants us to believe that, as a function of OCD or somesuch, BK regularly replaced his shower curtains. OK, sure. Just random then that on November 13, 2022, BK was in the midst of a routine switch over? Sure.

Bet he didn't think about the shower curtain when he took the selfie. Whoops.

JMO
 
  • #523
It would have to be his left hand, IMO, as a person wouldn't be able to get their opposite hand across their body at that angle. JMO

Sparing y'all from having to look at his ugly mug again. I've also pointed out his sleeved arm. So, I believe we think he's right handed as someone posted that they saw a pic of him signing something with his right hand. If that's the case, I doubt he could have killed 4 people with his non-dominant hand. Especially in a matter of mere minutes. JMO

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I appreciate your thoughts here….and cutting his face out of the photo!
I think it’s too hard to tell if that’s his left hand or not.
My understanding is selfies produce mirror images which would make that his right hand. But if he was taking a selfie of his image in a mirror….it makes my head spin.
Either way, dominant or non-dominant hand, it was a hand present at a quadruple murder and, at least, in close proximity to a knife, and involved in some struggling with certain victims and, in my opinion has an abrasion or injury of some sort.
 
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  • #525
Since his earbuds are in, I'm wondering what he was listening to while taking his celebratory selfie. Creepy.
 
  • #526
I appreciate your thoughts here….and cutting his face out of the photo!
I think it’s too hard to tell if that’s his left hand or not.
My understanding is selfies produce mirror images which would make that his right hand. But if he was taking a selfie of his image in a mirror….it makes my head spin.
I can't even wrap my head around that. LOL
Either way, dominant or non-dominant hand, it was a hand present at a quadruple murder and, at least, in close proximity to a knife, and involved in some struggling with certain victims and, in my opinion has an abrasion or injury of some sort.
Good point. I was thinking about injuries from using the knife, not injuries from other means.
 
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Nice catch.

Isn't that something? His shower curtain was missing when he left in December.... but it was also missing at 10:31 am on November 13, 2022....

AT wants us to believe that, as a function of OCD or somesuch, BK regularly replaced his shower curtains. OK, sure. Just random then that on November 13, 2022, BK was in the midst of a routine switch over? Sure.

Bet he didn't think about the shower curtain when he took the selfie. Whoops.

JMO
That's another thing about the photo that bugs me. Of all the places one could take a selfie inside an apartment, who the hell would stand in a bathroom, with an open shower as a backdrop, to take it. I keep wanting to think there is some significance to the location, but I cannot figure it out. Was he just saying, "look at me. I have washed all the evidence away. You'll never catch me now." JMO
 
  • #529
I really feel sorry for his parents and sisters.
Can you imagine raising a miscreant like this when it’s your own son or brother who you have loved and supported?
That’s got to mess with all of them- thinking “where did I go wrong” when there likely was nothing they could have done to change this murderous freak.
Then thinking “how did this happen to us?”
How mortifying for them in every way.
And now they have to watch this circus that most likely will end up with him receiving the death penalty and experience the final loss of their own beloved miscreant.
No amount of counseling in the world can undo their shock, embarrassment and sense of guilt and loss.
It’s very sad.
All imho
 
  • #530
BK's Shower Curtain. Missing in Selfie or in Place?

Could it be a textured shower curtain (not just a smooth, plasticky liner)?
Could a striped or square design give the impression of grout lines?

Maybe something like this shower curtain but w bigger squares?
IDK.
 
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That's another thing about the photo that bugs me. Of all the places one could take a selfie inside an apartment, who the hell would stand in a bathroom, with an open shower as a backdrop, to take it. I keep wanting to think there is some significance to the location, but I cannot figure it out. Was he just saying, "look at me. I have washed all the evidence away. You'll never catch me now." JMO
I've seen so many selfies taken in bathrooms that it makes my head spin. I THINK it's because there's a mirror in there to pose in front of. JMO on that.
 
  • #532
BK's Shower Curtain. Missing in Selfie or in Place?

Could it be a textured shower curtain (not just a smooth, plasticky liner)?
Could a striped or square design give the impression of grout lines?

Maybe something like this shower curtain but w bigger squares?
IDK.
I've gone back and forth on this in my head, but settling on it being a shower curtain for several reasons.

1) I think I can see the top of the curtain here:
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2) At one point I wondered if it was sunshine though a window but I'm thinking that line would be straight, and it's curvy.

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3) The "grout lines" don't line up on what I think is a curtain.

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4) If they were grout lines and that's the corner of the shower, I'd think they'd be more angled something like this:

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5) Lastly... one of those "grout lines"/shower curtain folds looks convex to me, not concave:

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All just my amateurish opinion on shower curtains and grout. :)
 
  • #533
I've seen so many selfies taken in bathrooms that it makes my head spin. I THINK it's because there's a mirror in there to pose in front of. JMO on that.
Good point. And true enough in that I have seen bathroom selfies as well, but usually not with a wonderful view of the inside of the shower.
 
  • #534
Good point. And true enough in that I have seen bathroom selfies as well, but usually not with a wonderful view of the inside of the shower.
That deserves a LOL!
 
  • #535
Shower Curtain?

@Gemmie Thx for marking the pix to explain why it likely is a curtain.

Should we ask Martha Stewart or Joanna Gaines/Magnolia to join the convo & weigh in? jk
 
  • #536
I really feel sorry for his parents and sisters.
Can you imagine raising a miscreant like this when it’s your own son or brother who you have loved and supported?
That’s got to mess with all of them- thinking “where did I go wrong” when there likely was nothing they could have done to change this murderous freak.
Then thinking “how did this happen to us?”
How mortifying for them in every way.
And now they have to watch this circus that most likely will end up with him receiving the death penalty and experience the final loss of their own beloved miscreant.
No amount of counseling in the world can undo their shock, embarrassment and sense of guilt and loss.
It’s very sad.
All imho
Miscreant. That is the exact right word. And AT missed her opportunity to tell us we can't use it.

So fits him.

Dark triad. Can't help but to wonder if he was a bedwetter and whether all family pets and neighborhood animals survived him...

Every serial killed (which I believe him to be, just stopped from continuing) starts somewhere. Would there have been more? Does he have a hidden history somewhere?
From where did he get his confidence, that he could kill someone in the dark?

He had the opportunities, the support, the cognitive function to make other choices. Successful with women, doubtful. Successful with friends, unlikely. Suited for teaching, apparently not, but he could have forged a life for himself, the same way many people do, making the most of his skills while highlighting the least of his shortcomings, and staying on the nice side of the law. But instead this fantasy of his must have fermented in his mind -- going back HOW FAR we can wonder. Anger, injustice collector, hot prowler on steroids? Attempts to be a Marine or a police officer -- genuine interest or more of the same? Wanting to pervert the nature of those occupations? Purchased a death knife in the spring, presumably before knowing whom he'd kill with it.... worse, while he was being disciplined and corrected for his poor teacher-assisting, he was apparently shopping for his kill clothes.

Makes me shudder. They talk to him about how he relates to students, in particular female students, they instruct him on proper, neutral grading. How he must have been grinning on the inside, knowing he was going to "show them".

And how did his poor performance as a TA inform the timing of what he did? Pressure mounting?

Eventually I think we'll see a timeline. When he bought the knife, when he bought coveralls, when he started surveilling 1122 King Road, what else he bought and when.... and what each of the victims were doing around those same times, whether they crossed paths or didn't... and then, on the 12th into the 13th, as he circled the neighborhood, as they settled into bed, fatal convergence.

Bet he never felt so powerful.

Sickening.

JMO JMO
 
  • #537
O.
M.
G!!!

You should have seen my face. I starred, unblinking, with my mouth hanging open. He's giving himself a version of a pat on the back!?!?! I hope the family and friends of those lost don't ever see that picture.

Just unreal. smh
With all the pictures we've seen of BK, I can honestly say I've never seen him look so happy. He is glowing. His eyes are even "smiling". It's repulsive.
 
  • #538
With all the pictures we've seen of BK, I can honestly say I've never seen him look so happy. He is glowing. His eyes are even "smiling". It's repulsive.
Like his brain is in backwards. The complete opposite of how we expect a real live human being to act/react.

It defies humanity.

And by "it", I mean him.

JMO
 
  • #539
I really hate to sound like I"m blaming victims and I know there must be a reason but why do people think the roommates waited so many hours before calling 911??
 
  • #540
What time was the selfie compared to the first 911 call? Clearly that photo is important to the state, maybe because it shows more than his accomplished thumbs up.
 
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