4 Univ of Idaho Students Murdered, Bryan Kohberger Arrested, Moscow, Nov 2022 #102

[SteveP]

I am with you. I have thought about this more times than I care to image. I also thought about the KG back in town for the weekend to account for this being the moment. However, here is my latest thought on the timing. All of this is MOO:

Based on what we are learning, he planned for months. He probably thought about something like this for longer, but the actual planning (id target, clothing, car protection, operational tactics, etc) was months.

He was having problems in his TA position with several interventions throughout the semester. After that last meeting/intervention, he must have had a feeling he may lose his TA position. (I am not saying he knew for sure, but the writing was on the wall. The question about how he was going to fund his next semester may have amped up his anxiousness).

And lastly, this speaks for THAT weekend - not sure what type of responses he received from his Reddit survey or what final exams or oral dissertations he needed for his PHD, however, I saw this on the WSU academic schedule:

Last day to take final examination for an advanced degree.

Friday, November 18, 2022


Can't let all that planning and prep go to waste. Time to get the data I've been longing for.


edited formatting of cut-n-paste from WSU Academic Schedule.

You have laid out what, i believe, is a very plausible account of what was going on in BK's life leading up to that horrible night., and I think you may very well be spot on in your thoughts.

I think pretty much the same things that you expressed, and would only add my personal feeling that as the semester began to wind down, and the days ticked toward the end of the semester, I believe he may have even done dry runs, maybe more than once, as part of his planning, and may have even gone out the night before he finally mustered the courage to go through with the plan, and for one reason or another talked himself out of it. If he did, that may have added pressure on him to make certain that the next opportunity would not be wasted, which may explain why he allegedly circled the immediate area three times in the half hour before finally coming to a stop around 4:04am, and doing the unthinkable. Whether he knew KG was there that night or not, I do not think mattered at that point. I remain unchanged in my strong feeling that MM was his target that night. And as you stated, I believe his driving urges that night were screaming, can't let all that planning and prep go to waste. JMO

 

[Sachi]

Consider that LE was able to obtain a warrant from Amazon fully knowing that a knife was purchased and likely the exact date, IMO.

AT (BKs defense attorney) implied it was someone who was summoned to the grand jury. I'd bet a lot that it was a family member.

No matter who writes it, I'm not at all sure I would consider an account of a family's dynamics from within the family as "factual." That's not a particular criticism of the sister's (early to me) book plans but she is part of the dynamic. And everyone has his/her own issues that affect the family system. At least IMO, nobody seriously gets away with saying "I know the family truths while the accounts of all other family members are biased."
MOO

Truth, it is the ultimate edic/ emic dilemma. I have read that both sisters are in the mental health field. JMO. Can you imagine wanting to know WHY your family member became this? Unimaginable, weight of despair, the total upending of the life you lead, the torment of the senseless loss of 4 beautiful young people attributed to horrific actions of a sib. Just unreal. The book is likely therapy for that person. A way to unscramble the terrifying reality of shared DNA with someone so hateful, so broken , so bent, so fearful, resentful, lost and empty, that they would premeditatedly go on a knife killing rampage. And I believe that it was reported one person seemed more of focus by way of style of murder.

JMO

If BK was targeting MM and somehow knew KG had left town with the dog (from following their socials?) and was also surveilling the house? Plus maybe had access to personal data we aren't aware of such as overheard conversations or knowing someone they all knew?

He could have no way of knowing KG was going to pay this sudden and impromptu 'farewell' flying visit in her new vehicle. Did she announce that on her socials?

Perhaps BK fully expected to find MM alone in the top part of the house. Unconcerned there were multiple others residing below and likely to be fast asleep.

Perhaps he was reading the house in a particular system, using certain cues - particular lights on / off, certain blinds up or down, certain drapes pulled, outdoor shoes on the stoop... that sort of thing. I think he had some knowledge of the house that there was no CCTV or internal cameras.

Unaware of the Door Dash. Discounting the brand new red vehicle to belong to any of the students or their associates.

KG had already fully cleared out of her room, maybe somehow he could somewhat see into that room? See it was still 'empty' with no furnishings or personal items, see the shelves were empty and the drapes open? He could see it was still unoccupied. Maybe the room was even listed as vacant on a student spare rooms site with people able to ask questions or such like?

The time pressure - this has to be done 'now' was perhaps before a new upstairs house mate moved in?

JMO MOO

I feel like he was ready for the war that he had created and pumped himself up for- that he would kill as many people( women) that present themselves , just a massive amount of carnage which takes exceptional sustained rage carried forth from his delusion ,all the hate fueled by fear of being nothing and being empty, beautiful young women that he was excluded from were to blame killed.

No matter who writes it, I'm not at all sure I would consider an account of a family's dynamics from within the family as "factual." That's not a particular criticism of the sister's (early to me) book plans but she is part of the dynamic. And everyone has his/her own issues that affect the family system. At least IMO, nobody seriously gets away with saying "I know the family truths while the accounts of all other family members are biased."
MOO

better said “ personal acct “ . My dad often said there’s three sides to every story , you’re , mine and what is better know as the truth.” Amen

 

[Arkay]

Really trying to catch up here after two days in a casino while trying not to think about crime, but unable to stop myself from picturing his “yay, I did it” thumbs-up selfie.

Likes and loves and applause to the many wonderful posts I’ve missed.

 

[NCWatcher]

Truth, it is the ultimate edic/ emic dilemma. I have read that both sisters are in the mental health field. JMO. Can you imagine wanting to know WHY your family member became this? Unimaginable, weight of despair, the total upending of the life you lead, the torment of the senseless loss of 4 beautiful young people attributed to horrific actions of a sib. Just unreal. The book is likely therapy for that person. A way to unscramble the terrifying reality of shared DNA with someone so hateful, so broken , so bent, so fearful, resentful, lost and empty, that they would premeditatedly go on a knife killing rampage. And I believe that it was reported one person seemed more of focus by way of style of murder.

I feel like he was ready for the war that he had created and pumped himself up for- that he would kill as many people( women) that present themselves , just a massive amount of carnage which takes exceptional sustained rage carried forth from his delusion ,all the hate fueled by fear of being nothing and being empty, beautiful young women that he was excluded from were to blame killed.

better said “ personal acct “ . My dad often said there’s three sides to every story , you’re , mine and what is better know as the truth.” Amen

I'm not sure both sisters are in the mental health field. But we aren't supposed to sleuth them so I've not tried to check.

I can understand writing a personal acct or journaling for personal reasons. I can't say I understand wanting to write and publish a book, at least not now. And as I've said before, an awful lot of sibling relationships are pretty complicated (and don't involve potential crime.) So I'm not sure what to make of the supposed upcoming book except that since it's being written by a participant in the family dynamics it can't be "objective" even if the author thinks it is.
MOO

 

[Fascinated1]

(Please ignore-accidental post)

 

[Sachi]

Sorry for that long post , geez, I was at the gym with my phone and only meant to reply to the most recent.

 

[Arkay]

Sorry for that long post , geez, I was at the gym with my phone and only meant to reply to the most recent.

IMO your long post was excellent, substantive and heartfelt.

I’m grateful that being at the gym distracted you into writing it!

 

[minazoe]

imagine wanting to be a mass murderer, a serial killer...imagine slowly realizing you are a creature of ultra violence . Imagine your middle class life out in a private subdivision, but life is boring and you
don't fit in because other kids literally smell the wrongness in your DNA. oh but you have no fear, you don't really experience fear like others do..so it's nothing to start banging heroin as a mere child. Huge red flag for a high school kid to be banging dope.

I bet you Bryan's childhood is fraught with all kinds of behaviors and problems that parents try to unsee.

imagine how he is no different than Jack the Ripper and all the others that came before him, Bundy, Rader.... I can't tell you how much I despise Dennis Rader .mOO

 

[wendy44]

Blum did say that the sister would not be publishing until the gag order is lifted. I don't think the order applies to family members, even if they're witnesses, but this is what Blum said about the timeline. So...no time soon, she's just working on it.
JMO

 

[Observe_dont_Absorb]

Exactly. Also, writing a book at this juncture strikes me as odd and opportunistic. JMO.

Perhaps if anyone who knows BK intimately such as a close family member wrote a book, they would be hoping that their insights and wisdom could reveal the processes that caused this horror? Maybe in the hope that there could be identification of such troubled people and intervention before it goes that far? I'm thinking of the father of Elliot Rodger, didn't he try to offer up insights into incel mindset and his background etc?

JMO MOO

 

[minazoe]

Perhaps if anyone who knows BK intimately such as a close family member wrote a book, they would be hoping that their insights and wisdom could reveal the processes that caused this horror? Maybe in the hope that there could be identification of such troubled people and intervention before it goes that far? I'm thinking of the father of Elliot Rodger, didn't he try to offer up insights into incel mindset and his background etc?

JMO MOO

There is a disconnect when it comes to certain kinds of "mental illness" in the psych community. I think they can readily identify all the disorders and philias. but it falls apart when you try to ascertain which person is a real danger to society..perhaps they are high functioning and fully lucid...they have yet to fulfill the violent side of their identity, or they haven't admitted their secret behaviors...so even if the person is known to be schizo and hears voices, or if he has had breakdowns and been treated in the past..there is no stop gap measure. And some people like Rader hide so well it's freaky...but then later you hear from his daughter how things were behind closed doors. mOO

 

[Ghostwheel]

Blum did say that the sister would not be publishing until the gag order is lifted. I don't think the order applies to family members, even if they're witnesses, but this is what Blum said about the timeline. So...no time soon, she's just working on it.
JMO

This makes sense. I can definitely see a book about what it was like to have a brother be a suspected killer, not being able to really discuss any of it, how the family might be ostracized, etc. The family has been pretty much gagged for this whole time. And maybe they would have gagged themselves if they had suspicions. But a book can tell it from the perspective of people or a person who were unfortunate enough to be where they are, through no fault of their own. While it is a money making proposition, it might also answer some questions. Imo.

 

[BeginnerSleuther]

I have never thought smashing into the house was extreme. They were after a man who murdered 4 people.

While sometimes necessary, those types of arrests are always risky. Aside from the physical damage they cause, they traumatize innocent bystanders for the rest of their lives.

They should only be used in the most extreme of circumstances. JMO.

 

[Gigiky]

While sometimes necessary, those types of arrests are always risky. Aside from the physical damage they cause, they traumatize innocent bystanders for the rest of their lives.

They should only be used in the most extreme of circumstances. JMO.

I would think a Quadruple murder meets the extreme circumstances. JMO

 

[Warwick7]

https://www.cnn.com/2025/03/22/us/idaho-student-murders-roommates-texts/index.html

 

[Auntie Cipation]

I had stopped following this thread due to limited time, but now that the trial is approaching, I'm following along again.

May I ask, do we know if the trial will be livestreamed or otherwise followable? Thanks.

 

[Kemug]

I can understand writing a personal acct or journaling for personal reasons. I can't say I understand wanting to write and publish a book, at least not now. And as I've said before, an awful lot of sibling relationships are pretty complicated (and don't involve potential crime.) So I'm not sure what to make of the supposed upcoming book except that since it's being written by a participant in the family dynamics it can't be "objective" even if the author thinks it is.
MOMOO

RSBM
She may find it cathartic.

 

[Kemug]

We don't know BK's father, but we have learned that BK's father turned BK in to LE for stealing the sister's cellphone. So, I think we have evidence that his father is inclined to ensure BK suffers the consequences of his criminal actions rather than to isolate him from them.

All of BK's family members, including his father, are victims of BK's choices. Rather than attempt to claim that it was he who looked for or bought the knife to sow confusion as to guilt/innocence (like Casey Anthony's mother claimed responsibility for the computer searches), I think it more likely that BK's father might want to help with introducing post-conviction evidence that there are mitigating factors about BK's personality or upbringing that should spare him the death penalty. I think he loves his son and cannot comprehend why his son makes the choices that he does. ETA: He wanted better for BK but I don't think that will motivate him to pretend a reality that isn't true.

It seems like BK's father (and no doubt his mother too) always did the absolute best he could for his troubled and troublesome son. I have a lot of respect for him. Both parents will have already suffered so much pain and worry, and it must seem never-ending. I do hope they don't feel guilt as well though, I don't believe any parents could have done better.

 

[danablue1]

I had stopped following this thread due to limited time, but now that the trial is approaching, I'm following along again.

May I ask, do we know if the trial will be livestreamed or otherwise followable? Thanks.

The murder trial will be livestreamed on the court’s YouTube channel, the Latah County judge in the case ruled.

 

[MassGuy]

I had stopped following this thread due to limited time, but now that the trial is approaching, I'm following along again.

May I ask, do we know if the trial will be livestreamed or otherwise followable? Thanks.

I don't think we have a final order yet, but I fully expect that it will be broadcast through the court like all the open hearings have. I have a habit of following cases that aren't broadcast, so I'm looking forward to this.

https://s3.us-west-2.amazonaws.com/isc.coi/CR01-24-31665/2024/091824-Order-Governing-Courtroom-Conduct.pdf