4 Univ of Idaho Students Murdered, Bryan Kohberger Arrested, Moscow, Nov 2022 #102

[Boxer]

It seems like BK's father (and no doubt his mother too) always did the absolute best he could for his troubled and troublesome son. I have a lot of respect for him. Both parents will have already suffered so much pain and worry, and it must seem never-ending. I do hope they don't feel guilt as well though, I don't believe any parents could have done better.

Agree. It is on BK.

 

[NCWatcher]

RSBM
She may find it cathartic.

Yes, and I can understand that. But writing is one thing, publishing another. I can't understand wanting to publish any additional details at least not for years. But maybe that's just me. People do publish "personal accounts" at very weird times IMO. I'm pretty sure though I'd just think even if I wasn't concerned about the effect on my sibling if I published, I'd be concerned about the effects on my elderly parents. She did write poetry about the murders (and about the Uvalde shootings) Idaho suspect Bryan Kohberger’s sister wrote poem about Uvalde massacre
before thinking her sibling was involved.
So she seems strongly affected by national tragedies.
MOO

 

[katydid23]

IMO, this vehicle video PROVES that BK's car was driven to the crime scene at the time of the murders.

Ann Taylor admits to the judge on camera that the Elantra was identified as BK's vehicle when it was 1/4 of a mile away from the crime scene at about 3:29 am. They then pick it up at 3:30 am in front of A and W, seen not to have a front license plate, and 30 seconds later, seen on Linda Lane, and immediately afterwards, seen circling the crime scene on King Road.

timestamp: 6:46

Judge: "What's the evidence that Law Enforcement relied on the Ridge Road footage to identify the vehicle? "

AT: What did they rely on?

Judge: What's the evidence that they relied on Ridge Road, what you say doesn't show anything, what's the evidence they relied on to ID the vehicle?

AT: They relied on the the Ridge Road camera and you can see that in the emails from Imal and the other law enforcement officers when they say they have Paradise Creek Road and they say we finally got a good one and it produced to us is the 1125 Ridge Road footage and photograph AND THAT'S THE ONLY ONE THAT CAN MAKE A POSITIVE ID on the car.


[3:28 am] drives past the A and W---seen with no front plate
[3:29 am]Ridge Road
[3:30 am] Linda Lane Rd camera
[3:30 am] King Rd Crime Scene]

 

[katydid23]

Idaho Murder Suspect: What We Know About Bryan Kohberger

While authorities have not revealed if the victims knew Kohberger, the suspect's now-deleted Instagram account — which was reviewed by PEOPLE before it was removed — followed the accounts of Mogen, Goncalves and Kernodle. None of the victims followed him back.

Two weeks before the students were killed, Kohberger sent a series of messages to one of the victims on Instagram, an investigator familiar with the case told PEOPLE.

An account that authorities believe belonged to Kohberger sent a greeting to a female victim in late October. When he didn't get a reply, he sent several more messages to her.

"He slid into one of the girls' DMs several times but she didn't respond," the source told PEOPLE. "Basically, it was just him saying, 'Hey, how are you?' But he did it again and again."

The source added that the victim may not have ever seen the messages, as they went into the message request folder on Instagram.

I'm not sure that^^^ article is correct. From what I remember back in the first few days, trolls from 4CHAN had immediately created fake accounts using BK's name and picture, and sent messages to the victims. They do that schitt all the time and are really good at it.

It fooled some journalists but didnt fool the FBI cyber team, etc.

 

[katydid23]

I find it interesting and surprising that the Defense wants to keep the 911 call out, and wants to keep the texts between DM and BF out. Is it only because of the bushy eyebrow remarks?

 

[fcavanaugh]

I would think a Quadruple murder meets the extreme circumstances. JMO

I agree these were extreme circumstances.
BK was the prime suspect in a horrific quadruple homicide and LE couldn’t take any chances as history shows mass murderers are extremely unstable and can also be suicidal. Having said that, if aware LE is there for them/knocking on their door so to speak, there’s always a chance a mass murder suspect may try to hurt/kill others around them before potentially offing themselves. LE isn’t going to take that chance, for obvious good reason.

To jump off your post-
LE’s #1 priority to keep everyone safe including the suspect and felt there was enough risk of other lives potentially being lost and decided this was the best way to apprehend their suspect- surprise/catch him off guard with little/no time to panic/react and potentially harm others, himself, or potentially try to dispose of evidence is an add’l reason they execute these type of arrests. I believe the correct terminology/legalese is ‘no-knock warrant’.

At any rate, it doesn’t matter whether we the public agree with it or not, or think BK is guilty or not, LE deemed this suspect to be high risk, a judge agreed signed the warrant and LE took appropriate measures according to protocol to minimize risk and keep everyone in that house safe/alive while apprehending their suspect who they had reason to believe/probable cause had murdered four young adult college students in cold blood.

I have a lot of compassion for BK’s parents/family as I’m sure the arrest and the way it went down had to be alarming and traumatizing for them. They also seem to be reasonable people and I wouldn’t be surprised that once the dust settled a bit after BK’s arrest, they had discussion(s) with LE and after explained to them, understood LE followed protocol/did what they had to do considering the circumstances.

I realize how hard this all must be on BK’s parents and I’m sad for them. As a parent myself I cannot even imagine, my heart goes out to them and all the parents and families affected by this horrific tragedy.

IMHOO

 

[mrjitty]

IMO, this vehicle video PROVES that BK's car was driven to the crime scene at the time of the murders.

Ann Taylor admits to the judge on camera that the Elantra was identified as BK's vehicle when it was 1/4 of a mile away from the crime scene at about 3:29 am. They then pick it up at 3:30 am in front of A and W, seen not to have a front license plate, and 30 seconds later, seen on Linda Lane, and immediately afterwards, seen circling the crime scene on King Road.

timestamp: 6:46

Judge: "What's the evidence that Law Enforcement relied on the Ridge Road footage to identify the vehicle? "

AT: What did they rely on?

Judge: What's the evidence that they relied on Ridge Road, what you say doesn't show anything, what's the evidence they relied on to ID the vehicle?

AT: They relied on the the Ridge Road camera and you can see that in the emails from Imal and the other law enforcement officers when they say they have Paradise Creek Road and they say we finally got a good one and it produced to us is the 1125 Ridge Road footage and photograph AND THAT'S THE ONLY ONE THAT CAN MAKE A POSITIVE ID on the car.


[3:28 am] drives past the A and W---seen with no front plate
[3:29 am]Ridge Road
[3:30 am] Linda Lane Rd camera
[3:30 am] King Rd Crime Scene]

Hence floating the IGG and blood conspiracies in the pretrial phase. AT has always known the evidence against BK is overwhelming.

 

[Karin1974]

Do we know anything about the lighting in the house? Would there have been any lights on, would curtains be open, enough street lighting coming in? Could BK have had a torch?

IMO - Ghastly thought but unless everyone’s phones were on silent, there were likely at least a couple of phone light ups from DM texting the others perhaps? MOO

 

[katydid23]

While sometimes necessary, those types of arrests are always risky. Aside from the physical damage they cause, they traumatize innocent bystanders for the rest of their lives.

They should only be used in the most extreme of circumstances. JMO.

I think a suspected quadruple murderer is an extreme circumstance.

If BK had seen Swat sneaking up the driveway, he could have taken his family hostage. Or maybe taken the easy way out and killed himself and taken some family down with him?

I think LE made the right choice to take them by surprise.

 

[jepop]

I think E was killed before X

I think so too. Will add here that I don't think EC had any chance to fight back in any real sense, just like the female victims. He was imo in bed, sleepy and winding down. He was ambushed, just like the three girls. Jmo

I don't like the judgement ( not your post but it pops up here and there) that had EC not been drinking that night, he would have, could have or should have taken BK on. Ambushed with an eight inch blade. Not a chance, sober or intoxicated. 4.10 am in bed. Jmo

None of them had a chance to fight back, not a chance to run and scream, certainly no chance to play heroics. They fought for their lives probably, but not for long, and mostly silently; a matter of seconds or a minute. Jmo

 

[Kemug]

None of them had a chance to fight back, not a chance to run and scream, certainly no chance to play heroics. They fought for their lives probably, but not for long, and mostly silently; a matter of seconds or a minute. Jmo

I wonder how BK would fare in real war, without any unfair advantage. I doubt he'd be the big hero then.

 

[Zinn]

IMO, this vehicle video PROVES that BK's car was driven to the crime scene at the time of the murders.

Ann Taylor admits to the judge on camera that the Elantra was identified as BK's vehicle when it was 1/4 of a mile away from the crime scene at about 3:29 am. They then pick it up at 3:30 am in front of A and W, seen not to have a front license plate, and 30 seconds later, seen on Linda Lane, and immediately afterwards, seen circling the crime scene on King Road.

timestamp: 6:46

Judge: "What's the evidence that Law Enforcement relied on the Ridge Road footage to identify the vehicle? "

AT: What did they rely on?

Judge: What's the evidence that they relied on Ridge Road, what you say doesn't show anything, what's the evidence they relied on to ID the vehicle?

AT: They relied on the the Ridge Road camera and you can see that in the emails from Imal and the other law enforcement officers when they say they have Paradise Creek Road and they say we finally got a good one and it produced to us is the 1125 Ridge Road footage and photograph AND THAT'S THE ONLY ONE THAT CAN MAKE A POSITIVE ID on the car.


[3:28 am] drives past the A and W---seen with no front plate
[3:29 am]Ridge Road
[3:30 am] Linda Lane Rd camera
[3:30 am] King Rd Crime Scene]

The vehicle was spotted by the Ridge Rd cameras twice at 3:29am and 4:01am. The capture that best allowed them to identify the make and model of the vehicle was taken at 4:01am.





Source: https://coi.isc.idaho.gov/docs/CR01...ants-MiL-12-RE-Make-Model-Suspect-Vehicle.pdf

See pages 3-4.

 

[Observe_dont_Absorb]

I think a suspected quadruple murderer is an extreme circumstance.

If BK had seen Swat sneaking up the driveway, he could have taken his family hostage. Or maybe taken the easy way out and killed himself and taken some family down with him?

I think LE made the right choice to take them by surprise.

I think all of those things are possible and he could have even had some sort of plan or 'booby trap' (do you say that in the USA?) rigged up.

I have read Elliot Rodger's diary / rantings and he had planned that as soon as he heard police coming for him he would shoot as many of them as possible and then kill himself or they would be forced to shoot to kill him - a homicide / murder plan. I don't see why BK wouldn't have had a similar plan?

JMO

 

[Megnut]

I think all of those things are possible and he could have even had some sort of plan or 'booby trap' (do you say that in the USA?) rigged up.

I have read Elliot Rodger's diary / rantings and he had planned that as soon as he heard police coming for him he would shoot as many of them as possible and then kill himself or they would be forced to shoot to kill him - a homicide / murder plan. I don't see why BK wouldn't have had a similar plan?

JMO

Especially since BK was AWAKE and moving around in the middle of the night while innocent people were sleeping. Ominous considering the crimes for which he was being arrested.

High risk.

JMO

 

[katydid23]

I think all of those things are possible and he could have even had some sort of plan or 'booby trap' (do you say that in the USA?) rigged up.

I have read Elliot Rodger's diary / rantings and he had planned that as soon as he heard police coming for him he would shoot as many of them as possible and then kill himself or they would be forced to shoot to kill him - a homicide / murder plan. I don't see why BK wouldn't have had a similar plan?

JMO

BK reminds me so much of Elliott Rodgers. Even that morning selfie they just released----it reminds me of ER.

And I do think that they may have had similar selfish motivations and similar internal struggles that were released in awful sick ways.

 

[Megnut]

BK reminds me so much of Elliott Rodgers. Even that morning selfie they just released----it reminds me of ER.

And I do think that they may have had similar selfish motivations and similar internal struggles that were released in awful sick ways.

Just like a child might be enamored with superheroes he reads about, BK may have felt like the criminals he studied were his friends.

Sick emulation. Shades of BTK, Ted Bundy, Elliott Rodgers.

JMO

 

[Observe_dont_Absorb]

BK reminds me so much of Elliott Rodgers. Even that morning selfie they just released----it reminds me of ER.

And I do think that they may have had similar selfish motivations and similar internal struggles that were released in awful sick ways.

I wouldn't be surprised to find out that BK had a similar sort of blog or diary entry keeping some how with his thoughts and 'wisdom'. JMO

 

[Observe_dont_Absorb]

Just like a child might be enamored with superheroes he reads about, BK may have felt like the criminals he studied were his friends.

Sick emulation. Shades of BTK, Ted Bundy, Elliott Rodgers.

JMO

I even wonder if he had befriended some real life criminals after his research project ? Maybe people behind bars with nothing to lose ? I would be interested to know what became of his questionnaire, whether he shared it in prisons and institutions and whether anyone responded and he visited with them or communicated. JMO

 

[Megnut]

He'll never say -- he wanted to interview criminals to understand why they did what they did but IMO he's not going to interview himself out loud -- but I think his mission imploded. Over one critical misstep.

He didn't know who was in the house.

That KG would be in MM's bed. That XK was awake, the DM would be awakened by him and that EC was a factor.

That KG was in MM's bed IMO created the chaos that led to leaving the sheath behind. AT would have us believe that because of BK's issues (ASD, OCD, etc) he couldn't commit these crimes. On the contrary, he could, and these issues perfectly explain why they went down as they did. He didn't pivot well.

It all came tumbling down. Left the sheath. Left his DNA, created noise, awakened other housemates, ensured he'd be caught.

I continue to contend that he intended for a single murder, committed in absolute stealth, while waking no one. A crime long in planning, eventually a victim carefully chosen, months of build up, and an intimate weapon. Surrogate, substitute, sexual.

With huge holes in execution leading to an absolute bloodbath. I think he thought his car was a calculated risk, generic enough to be invisible, perhaps aided by a doctored license plate, but the rest he thought he had planned to precision.

If the DNA doesn't convict him (it will), that selfie should. He was wired. Basking in his own sick slimelight.

JMO

 

[SortaSleuthy]

Just like a child might be enamored with superheroes he reads about, BK may have felt like the criminals he studied were his friends.

Sick emulation. Shades of BTK, Ted Bundy, Elliott Rodgers.

IMO

IMO
Yes, at a minimum he identified with them.