4 Univ of Idaho Students Murdered, Bryan Kohberger Arrested, Moscow, Nov 2022 #102

[Megnut]

No one can look at all the spaghetti thrown on the wall lying pathetically on the floor and think this is going to come out well for the accused. It almost makes it feel like suicide by trial conviction.

You might not be far off.

Like suicide by cop.

Drawn out. With full drama and notoriety.

Like a game.

JMO

 

[danablue1]

He loves the attention even bad attention is better than no attention at all

 

[Fleur-de-lis]

Does anyone know the time stamp on the ghastly selfie in the bathroom? Also, although the quality is poor, it looks like a blister or scrape on his thumb. I'm wondering exactly when he took the selfie vs when he was back skulking by the house that morning.

 

[danablue1]

Does anyone know the time stamp on the ghastly selfie in the bathroom? Also, although the quality is poor, it looks like a blister or scrape on his thumb. I'm wondering exactly when he took the selfie vs when he was back skulking by the house that morning.

10:30 a.m. Nov. 13, 2022

 

[danablue1]

10:30 a.m. Nov. 13, 2022

Yes i noticed the blister and it looks like his shirt is buttoned wrong

 

[Gigiky]

Yes i noticed the blister and it looks like his shirt is buttoned wrong

And it looks like the blood has been drained out of him. CREEPY! JMO

 

[rleigh123]

A suspected quadruple murderer is an extreme criminal, not by itself, an extreme "circumstance."

This was absolutely NOT an extreme circumstance, IMO. They could have gotten him when he left the house. They could have gotten him when he went on one of his nighttime runs. They could have gotten him the next time he emptied the trash. Etc. Etc. Etc. There were many opportunities to get this guy in the weeks before and there would have been in the weeks after too. There's no evidence he was soon-to-become a hermit isolating in the woods or taking off to some far-off exotic country. There would have been ways to get him without all the trauma and damage they did to the family.

This was a choice.

MOO.

Bolded by me.


IMO:

A quadruple murder is an extreme circumstance committed by the criminal. At that point the suspect is unpredictable and volatile. He has already exploded and may do so again. They had no way of knowing what he would do next.

There was no evidence he was going to run? He already did! There was no evidence he wasn't going to run. There was no evidence he wasn't going to hurt his family or himself. They had reason to believe he would, though.

There have been many times a suspect went on to commit more crimes before authorities acted, and they got heat for it.

It was BK who caused the trauma and damage to his family. It was his choice.


All MOO

 

[fcavanaugh]

While we wait for new things to be undisclosed, been rethinking some things. Phones and cameras present a big conundrum for criminals/murderers these days and
I’m back to thinking about why BK didn’t just leave his phone at home in ‘on’ mode. Can’t remember if BK’s apartment complex in Pullman had outside surveillance cameras or not.
Anyhoo, I think he didn’t leave his phone at home cuz if complex had cameras, he might’ve thought the cameras could pick him up/show him departing. Or if no cameras there, maybe thought a neighbor potentially up/awake at that hour might see him leaving. Both of those things would blow ‘I was at home/home sleeping the whole time’ alibi out of the water. Guess he must’ve chose the lesser of 2 evils (pardon the pun), decided to take the phone and shut it off was the better option thinking they wouldn’t be able to prove he was at crime scene because he thought shutting off phone couldn’t track/trace back to him??? Or that cell tower ping/triangulation couldn’t place him at the scene (I was out driving around just not over there). And presents this so called alibi (it’s not) over a year later via AT. lol.

But drives his own vehicle to do the murders??? I mean he had to know there were some outdoor cameras around 1122 King as he’d driven by there a dozen times in the months prior. Idk maybe he thought the cameras near 1122 King Road would be too grainy or something.

He really had no other way to get there though unless he rode a bike, stole or rented a vehicle, walked lol, well all those things are traceable too because……cameras. I guess if he rented a vehicle a day or two before (ala stepmonster Leticia Stauch). Of course, a rented vehicle would be picked up on cameras around 1122 King but might? have taken a little longer for LE to trace a rented vehicle back to him.

I tell yah, digital footprints trip these guys up so bad. Don’t get me wrong, I’m glad because they’re getting caught faster with more frequency these days thanks to ever improving digital forensics technology which is a good thing for everyone/society.

Unless you live under a rock, you know there are cameras just about everywhere today. So unless you want to live out in the middle of nowhere or on some deserted island with no cameras around and don’t own a phone, don’t expect to get away with murder too easily. Even if you commit murder inside your home with no cameras around, you still need to travel outside to get rid of body unless you bury body under your basement, well eventually cops will come calling when people notice victim is missing and/or the corpse’s smell becomes so bad, your visitors or neighbors will report it. Can’t bury body in your backyard because your neighbors might have surveillance or ring cameras. So many dilemmas, so little time. Yet these murdering creeps will continue making the same stupid mistakes over & over.

Even the best made and executed plans will likely come back to haunt/bite you in some form or fashion via digital forensics.

I guess in this case I’ve just been a little more perplexed than usual knowing BK’s a Criminology graduate and PhD candidate showing interest in working in LE at one point
should a.) know better than most of his ilk or, b.) was it just utter arrogance or, c.) for the notoriety???
I’m going with a combo of b & c.

Another thing I wonder about BK,
after watching a killer in prison interviewed recently that said he’d had homicidal urges for awhile and intrusive obsessive thoughts that were driving him crazy is how he described it. He said once he gave in to his urge and murdered his girlfriend, he felt healed because the obsessive thoughts finally stopped. He needed those thoughts out of his head.
Made me stop and think of BK given his OCD r/t if he had some of these/similar type urges/compulsions and obsessive thoughts. Can’t remember the killer interviewed’s name but I watched it on ID channel, Interview with a Psychopath I believe is what the show’s called, something like that. Former FBI profiler Brad Garrett is a contributor on the show.
I’ve watched a few killers interviewed on this particular show. It is mind numbing to see some of these perps speak about and describe the killing(s) without a shred of sorrow, emotion or remorse, like it was just another routine day in the life of…
Absolutely chilling.

ETA- maybe we’ll get to see BK interviewed from prison some day.
Stay tuned.

IMHOO

 

[schooling]

Bolded by me.


IMO:

A quadruple murder is an extreme circumstance committed by the criminal. At that point the suspect is unpredictable and volatile. He has already exploded and may do so again. They had no way of knowing what he would do next.

There was no evidence he was going to run? He already did! There was no evidence he wasn't going to run. There was no evidence he wasn't going to hurt his family or himself. They had reason to believe he would, though.

There have been many times a suspect went on to commit more crimes before authorities acted, and they got heat for it.

It was BK who caused the trauma and damage to his family. It was his choice.


All MOO

Ya I don't think people are appreciating (and I mean this in the most clinical sense, probably definition #2 or #3 in the dictionary) the type of brutality that's involved in the up close and personal murder of 4 defenseless and innocent college students with their entire lives ahead of them. He walked into their home where they felt safe and were trying to sleep. in my underinformed and non-professional (which no one should mistake as professional) opinion anyone capable of that has ZERO empathy as BK himself (reportedly) described in his forum posts as a teenager. JMO

If I'm in charge of a LE team I want all of my guys to go home that night. I'm not taking any chances with someone who is capable of that.

MOO

 

[Fleur-de-lis]

10:30 a.m. Nov. 13, 2022

Thank you!

 

[schooling]

While we wait for new things to be undisclosed, been rethinking some things. Phones and cameras present a big conundrum for criminals/murderers these days and
I’m back to thinking about why BK didn’t just leave his phone at home in ‘on’ mode. Can’t remember if BK’s apartment complex in Pullman had outside surveillance cameras or not.
Anyhoo, I think he didn’t leave his phone at home cuz if complex had cameras, he might’ve thought the cameras could pick him up/show him departing. Or if no cameras there, maybe thought a neighbor potentially up/awake at that hour might see him leaving. Both of those things would blow ‘I was at home/home sleeping the whole time’ alibi out of the water. Guess he must’ve chose the lesser of 2 evils (pardon the pun), decided to take the phone and shut it off was the better option thinking they wouldn’t be able to prove he was at crime scene because he thought shutting off phone couldn’t track/trace back to him??? Or that cell tower ping/triangulation couldn’t place him at the scene (I was out driving around just not over there).

But drives his own vehicle to do the murders??? I mean he had to know there were some outdoor cameras around 1122 King as he’d driven by there a dozen times in the months prior. Idk maybe he thought the cameras near 1122 King Road would be too grainy or something.

He really had no other way to get there though unless he rode a bike, stole or rented a vehicle, walked lol, well all those things are traceable too because……cameras. I guess if he rented a vehicle a day or two before (ala stepmonster Leticia Stauch). Of course, a rented vehicle would be picked up on cameras around 1122 King but might? have taken a little longer for LE to trace a rented vehicle back to him.

I tell yah, digital footprints trip these guys up so bad. Don’t get me wrong, I’m glad because they’re getting caught faster with more frequency these days thanks to ever improving digital forensics technology which is a good thing for everyone/society.

Unless you live under a rock, you know there are cameras just about everywhere today. So unless you want to live out in the middle of nowhere or on some deserted island with no cameras around and don’t own a phone, don’t expect to get away with murder too easily. Even if you commit murder inside your home with no cameras around, you still need to travel outside to get rid of body unless you bury body under your basement, well eventually cops will come calling when people notice victim is missing and/or the corpse’s smell becomes so bad, your visitors or neighbors will report it. Can’t bury body in your backyard because your neighbors might have surveillance or ring cameras.

Even the best made and executed plans will likely come back to haunt/bite you in some form or fashion via digital forensics.

I guess in this case I’ve just been a little more perplexed than usual knowing BK’s a Criminology graduate and PhD candidate showing interest in working in LE at one point
should know better than most of his ilk, or was it just utter arrogance, or for the notoriety???
I’m going with a combo of the latter 2.

Another thing I wonder about BK,
after watching a killer in prison interviewed recently that said he’d had homicidal urges for awhile and intrusive obsessive thoughts that were driving him crazy is how he described it. He said once he gave in to his urge and murdered his girlfriend, he felt healed because the obsessive thoughts finally stopped. He needed those thoughts out of his head.
Made me stop and think of BK given his OCD r/t if he had some of these/similar type urges/compulsions and obsessive thoughts. Can’t remember the killer interviewed’s name but I watched it on ID channel, Interview with a Psychopath I believe is what the show’s called, something like that. FBI profiler Brad Garret is a contributor on the show.
I’ve watched a few killers interviewed on this particular show. It is mind numbing to see some of these perps speak about and describe the killing(s) without a shred of sorrow, emotion or remorse, like it was just another routine day in the life of…
Absolutely chilling.

IMHOO

I'm suspecting he canvased the area numerous times and I think it was a combination of misestimating the range of Ring Doorbells and other camera systems and just not seeing some of them. As an example, there was a well publicized next door neighbor camera that all news agencies caught (pretty sure its also the one that picked up the sounds?) that I believe is mentioned in the latest filings as catching lights from the car or something (someone correct me if I'm wrong). And I think BK went out of his way to avoid it. MOO

 

[Kemug]

While I do feel badly for them, I dare say that their son and brother has injured the family far, far more than LE ever could. JMO

I wouldn't be all that surprised if BK's family are actually somewhat relieved that BK has been caught, or at least some of them are, and feel some relief that he will never be able to harm anyone ever again. Sad of course, but they can now try to calm down and start to accept the reality of things.

 

[danablue1]

I know it must have been really stressful having a son like him

 

[Gigiky]

I wouldn't be all that surprised if BK's family are actually somewhat relieved that BK has been caught, or at least some of them are, and feel some relief that he will never be able to harm anyone ever again. Sad of course, but they can now calm down and accept the reality of things.

I TOTTALY AGREE!!!

 

[Warwick7]

That and if he saw her, he might have thought she’d already had or was about to call the police, hence what I think contributed to him speeding away from the scene.

IMHOO

ETA-lol, jinx @Warwick7, or should I say- BAM!!

Definitely a Bam!

 

[Warwick7]

Lol. I love the snark.
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https://coi.isc.idaho.gov/docs/CR01-24-31665/2025/032125-States-Reply-Defendants-Reply-States-Opposition-MIL-11-RE-Exclude-IGG-Evidence.pdf

@MassGuy I am lost on this. Can you put it in layman's terms? I came home exhausted and my brain is not working.

 

[Warwick7]

That last paragraph , bam!

It probably is a Bam! but, I'm totally lost. Lol!

 

[Warwick7]

Well imagine that. The state knows that the phone was turned off and cellular analysis cannot show where BK was at the time of the murders. And to anyone who still insists that phones can be tracked while turned off, perhaps AT may need your services, as it looks like Sy's may not be worth much now. JMO

Where is @Warwick7 when we need a 'BAM'??

Oh NOW I get it!!!!!! Yes, definitely a BAM!!!!!!!!!!

 

[Warwick7]

Geez, who knew that a phone turned off could be as damning as a phone turned on? Clearly not BK...

Anyone remember the "phone turned off" was the clinch in the Tammy Moore trial?!
It was a stroke of genius how Nancy Livesay nailed TM....

 

[iamshadow21]

@MassGuy I am lost on this. Can you put it in layman's terms? I came home exhausted and my brain is not working.

Sounds like Defense were trying to weasel words say that the IGG is the state's only evidence they used to arrest BK and wanted to restrict them to only that at trial, and the State are like, we have plenty of other evidence besides the IGG that pointed to BK and we're going to present it all, k?

MOO