4 Univ of Idaho Students Murdered, Bryan Kohberger Arrested, Moscow, Nov 2022 #103

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[Smelly Squirrel]

Attached is full text of Kohberger's college paper extracted from the state's filing, Order Sealing Defendants Exhibit to Objection to States MIL RE Self-Authentication of Records.

 

[PinkParis2052]

What specific things are you referring to that you believe AT found out that aren't true from DM's testimony?

AT mentioned them during the Jan 23, 2025 hearing. I remember off the top of my head. Sorry.

 

[Boxer]

I suspect BK is the force AT can't reckon (reason) with.

He is enjoying himself too much to miss the trial.

JMO

AT saying the man doesn't behave according to norma is an understatement.

 

[Observe_dont_Absorb]

MOO BK looking like Chandler Halderson who didnt bother with any actual defense during his trial, he just wanted to see the murder evidence pictures.

Also maybe he's playing the 'game' out to the nth degree, like a gambler would carry on until their last chip, last dime, and last extension of credit has been exhausted and then some, in the strange and unusual stance that perhaps they'll get a break.

It's a hardcore stance and seems to me that BK has other traits that indicate he takes things right to the extremes, for example injecting drugs, his staunch veganism, fast run times. Individually some of those things are not at all unusual but in total and bearing in mind the extremity of this crime, it adds up to someone who pushes to the limit. Therefore why would he not take the court case to the very limit? A plea deal may not have ever been on offer but his personality would probably not allow it.

JMO MOO

 

[Ghostwheel]

I definitely see this case going to trial, but IF it does not, who moves first? Does Kohberger's team approach the state, offering to plead guilty in exchange for LWOP, or does the state approach the defense with an offer to take the DP off the table in exchange for a guilty plea? Do the teams wait almost until time for the trial to begin before talking about a plea deal? Have either already floated the idea?

I still don't know that a plea deal would be offered, or accepted if offered. I think we all believe that the state has a very strong case. The defense and BK must know that the chances of him ever walking away from this, a free man, are slim and none, and with almost every new document dump, slim is running faster to get out of town, if he hasn't already. Does BK really crave the limelight enough to put the families and friends of the murdered kids through the agony of reliving their gruesome murders every day for three months? Does he really think that his team can convince any jury that he is not guilty, while almost surely never allowing them to hear from him on the stand. What do y'all think?

I rather think it's going to trial, and when things don't go as AT wants, then we'll get some kind of offer of guilty, LWOP. I'm not sure what the state would respond or what the families would think. For myself, I'd want to know why he did what he did to agree to any deal, but that's just a personal issue.

 

[StarryStarryNight]

I definitely see this case going to trial, but IF it does not, who moves first? Does Kohberger's team approach the state, offering to plead guilty in exchange for LWOP, or does the state approach the defense with an offer to take the DP off the table in exchange for a guilty plea? Do the teams wait almost until time for the trial to begin before talking about a plea deal? Have either already floated the idea?

I still don't know that a plea deal would be offered, or accepted if offered. I think we all believe that the state has a very strong case. The defense and BK must know that the chances of him ever walking away from this, a free man, are slim and none, and with almost every new document dump, slim is running faster to get out of town, if he hasn't already. Does BK really crave the limelight enough to put the families and friends of the murdered kids through the agony of reliving their gruesome murders every day for three months? Does he really think that his team can convince any jury that he is not guilty, while almost surely never allowing them to hear from him on the stand. What do y'all think?

If I remember right, early on, at least one of the victims’ parents was very happy that the state was pursuing the death penalty. Depending on how much influence victims have in that decision in Idaho, it might be hard to change it now.
The has a very strong case in my eyes. They may not feel they need to change a thing.
I think BK may still think he is so smart he’s going to get away with it.

 

[girlhasnoname]

Also maybe he's playing the 'game' out to the nth degree, like a gambler would carry on until their last chip, last dime, and last extension of credit has been exhausted and then some, in the strange and unusual stance that perhaps they'll get a break.

It's a hardcore stance and seems to me that BK has other traits that indicate he takes things right to the extremes, for example injecting drugs, his staunch veganism, fast run times. Individually some of those things are not at all unusual but in total and bearing in mind the extremity of this crime, it adds up to someone who pushes to the limit. Therefore why would he not take the court case to the very limit? A plea deal may not have ever been on offer but his personality would probably not allow it.

JMO MOO

I also believe BK is enjoying the 'game' of it all and will until he is found guilty and sentenced.

Bye Bye, Bry

JMO

 

[Observe_dont_Absorb]

I also believe BK is enjoying the 'game' of it all and will until he found guilty and sentenced.

Bye Bye, Bry

JMO

Also he could perceive that all the evidence *not* discovered as 'wins'.

For example, if the knife is never found, if the location and method of how he disposed of a kill kit / suit is never known, if his exact journey after leaving the house is never established, if there are locations he frequented that are never mentioned or identified, if he had interactions with the victims that we never come to find out about, if he perpetrated other serious crimes that nobody will ever pin on him.

If something gets thrown out of court as inadmissible or not reaching the high bar of evidence suitable for the jury to hear, he will count that as a 'win'. If he took trophies and stashed them somewhere or terrorised other women who have never come forwards and never will, he will count that as a 'win' as it means he retains secrets and knowledge that have not been uncovered. JMO MOO

 

[Warwick7]

Also he could perceive that all the evidence *not* discovered as 'wins'.

For example, if the knife is never found, if the location and method of how he disposed of a kill kit / suit is never known, if his exact journey after leaving the house is never established, if there are locations he frequented that are never mentioned or identified, if he had interactions with the victims that we never come to find out about, if he perpetrated other serious crimes that nobody will ever pin on him.

If something gets thrown out of court as inadmissible or not reaching the high bar of evidence suitable for the jury to hear, he will count that as a 'win'. If he took trophies and stashed them somewhere or terrorised other women who have never come forwards and never will, he will count that as a 'win' as it means he retains secrets and knowledge that have not been uncovered. JMO MOO

Yoy must not have followed the Patrick Frazee trial.

 

[Observe_dont_Absorb]

Yoy must not have followed the Patrick Frazee trial.

No, I didn't. What were the similarities? I'll look him up!

 

[PinkParis2052]

What specific things are you referring to that you believe AT found out that aren't true from DM's testimony?

Correction. I'm sorry I don't remember them off the top of my head right now. from the Jan 23, 2025 hearing. I was typing too fast earlier today. It's been a busy day.

All IMO.

 

[katydid23]

Most recent released document.

State of Idaho v. Bryan C. Kohberger​

Ada County CR01-24-31665

Current Case Summary

03/28/2025 NewOrder Sealing Defendants Exhibit in Support of Affidavit and Objection

State of Idaho v. Bryan C. Kohberger

AT really really wants to suppress some of those texts between the survivors and their friends. I wish we knew exactly what they were saying. I know a few snippets have been released, but I'm sure there is much more.

 

[TenaciousTBacon]

This is interesting and maybe there are several definitions.

Dissociative fugue - Wikipedia

en.m.wikipedia.org

Sort of temporary amnesia & wandering. Wow. I once went into shock and, in retrospect, was amazed at what my body went through as well as my mind. I don't remember much, all of my coping just gave up. JMOO

I was in an emergency room on a gurney so no wandering but I felt outside of my own body. When I told my mom and the nurse about it they both said it's completely normal which I found odd at the time. The RN went off and got me Valium or similar. Looking back, it was completely normal shock response.

 

[Boxer]

Also maybe he's playing the 'game' out to the nth degree, like a gambler would carry on until their last chip, last dime, and last extension of credit has been exhausted and then some, in the strange and unusual stance that perhaps they'll get a break.

It's a hardcore stance and seems to me that BK has other traits that indicate he takes things right to the extremes, for example injecting drugs, his staunch veganism, fast run times. Individually some of those things are not at all unusual but in total and bearing in mind the extremity of this crime, it adds up to someone who pushes to the limit. Therefore why would he not take the court case to the very limit? A plea deal may not have ever been on offer but his personality would probably not allow it.

JMO MOO

Really there is nothing in it for him to do anything but have a trial and try to get off, set up an appeal etc., except of course should he feel regret and wishes to grow up, then he would be moved to take reaponsibility for his actions.

 

[Warwick7]

No, I didn't. What were the similarities? I'll look him up!

Hold on to your socks when you do!!

 

[SteveP]

He may think of it as some kind of game now, but at some point, I believe that BK is bound to realize that this upcoming trial is not going to end well for him. Whether that happens before, during, or at the end remains to be seen. JMO

 

[Warwick7]

He's good at what he does!!
The end is so FUNNY! I couldn't stop laughing!

https://twitter.com/x/status/1906072251688251641

 

[wendy44]

AT mentioned them during the Jan 23, 2025 hearing. I remember off the top of my head. Sorry.

AT tried to make this case in order to get a Franks hearing, but the judge disagreed. He said:

"Defendant's own proffer establishes that DM's accounts were remarkably consistent throughout her multiple interviews with law enforcement and, further, the probable cause affidavits are very consistent with her accounts."

https://coi.isc.idaho.gov/docs/CR01-24-31665/2025/021925-Order-Defedants-Moton-Franks-Hearing.pdf

So I don't think it's correct that DM said things that weren't true and her story isn't credible. The judge saw the transcripts of her interviews. That said, it's the job of the defense to cross-examine her and they'll have to figure out the best way to do that.
JMO

 

[PinkParis2052]

AT tried to make this case in order to get a Franks hearing, but the judge disagreed. He said:

"Defendant's own proffer establishes that DM's accounts were remarkably consistent throughout her multiple interviews with law enforcement and, further, the probable cause affidavits are very consistent with her accounts."

https://coi.isc.idaho.gov/docs/CR01-24-31665/2025/021925-Order-Defedants-Moton-Franks-Hearing.pdf

So I don't think it's correct that DM said things that weren't true and her story isn't credible. The judge saw the transcripts of her interviews. That said, it's the job of the defense to cross-examine her and they'll have to figure out the best way to do that.
JMO

yeah I know that AT was presenting her case for a Franks hearing and her request was denied which wasn't surprising. Franks hearings are very hard to get.

I need to go read his documents, that's very interesting coming from the Judge H. wow. All IMO. Thank you.