4 Univ of Idaho Students Murdered, Bryan Kohberger Arrested, Moscow, Nov 2022 #103

[SteveP]

I think it's kind of beside the point.

He bought his murder gear months in advance. He stalked the house, visiting the area time and time again. He entered at 4am with a knife in the dark. It was always about killing. No need to try and create a motive of homophobic rage.

It's also very possible that with the dark, he didn't even know a second girl was in the bed until after he started stabbing the first.

MOO

I get what you are saying, and do not disagree, but even though we may know it was all about killing, we do not know who, how many, or why it was all about killing. Clearly, BK had some motive. We do not know the mind of the killer, and I think we may never know those answers. I was merely offering a thought. JMO

 

[sunshineray]

I keep returning to thoughts of the DD delivery, and how much difference approximately five minutes made in this horror night. Had DD arrived at 4:04, instead of 3:59, as we have been shown, he (assuming it was a male) would have arrived almost simultaneously to BK. Would BK have stayed in his car, awaiting the departure of the visitor? Would he have circled the block yet again? Would he have given up for the night and driven back home, with plans for "next time"? Suppose he had already exited his car and DD driver had come up on him while going to back slider . Would DD driver have been a casualty? Would he have been the first casualty? Suppose the delivery had been a very few minutes later, after BK was already in the house? What might he have heard? What might he have seen? Might he have seen BK fleeing the house? Might he have seen BK removing his balaclava and coveralls? Might he have seen the bloody knife? BK likely, by the time he exited through the slider, had no energy left to attack a wide-awake DD driver? If BK feared the driver had seen him, would he have fled quickly before changing his clothing?

So many things might have happened differently in that ten minute time period, depending on a different arrival of the delivery. I am sure the DD driver has pondered many of these things as well, and I believe that he was close enough to being a potential victim that he may have nightmares still. I would be surprised if he still does late-night DD deliveries. I know that I could not. JMO

The DD was delivered to the slider in the back yard, not the front door? That doesn't seem like very safe procedure for the DD driver.

 

[SteveP]

The DD was delivered to the slider in the back yard, not the front door? That doesn't seem like very safe procedure for the DD driver.

We do not know for certain, but according to Gray Hughes' podcast, based on coordinates printed from DD, it APPEARS that delivery was perhaps made to rear slider, which, in a way, does make sense, as that is the level that XK's room was on. If delivery had been made to front door, she would had to have gone downstairs and perhaps awoken BF. I am sure that we will learn during trial, if not before. JMO

 

[Boxer]

And if he/she had arrived 10 minutes earlier, that might’ve changed things too. XK might have been asleep behind a locked bedroom door by 4:10am. An intruder approaching and entering might have been more obvious with the house more settled. It’s possible Murphy began stirring at 3:59am in response to DD and hadn’t fully settled down by the time the intruder arrived, leading to an impression of one extended circumstance vs. two very distinct circumstances. JMO.

Agree with this totally. DD noise, dog going off, people doing things MOO— all one irritating incident in a group-living college scene on a Saturday night after parties and outings-
Except for the dude in a mask, that caused her visceral fear, MOO her fear was actually not quite fully supported by the facts as she saw them. Including a streaker outside if true BF saw that.
College houses are noisy, weird things happen, people don't answer you, and you get laughed at for being afraid.

 

[Boxer]

The DD was delivered to the slider in the back yard, not the front door? That doesn't seem like very safe procedure for the DD driver.

Moscow's one of the safest cities inside one of the safest states. Pretty sure people there mostly operated on that knowledge and feeling, rightly or wrongly.

 

[Zinn]

The DD was delivered to the slider in the back yard, not the front door? That doesn't seem like very safe procedure for the DD driver.

Drop-off location has not been disclosed. DD drop-off coordinates included in the mostly redacted DD evidence appear to align more closely with the area of the slider than the front door but I believe that can be misleading.

I did my own experiment at home, snapping photos in the four corners of my house, then plugging the coordinates from the photo data into Google Earth. Three unique sets of coordinates were generated for four locations (one was a duplicate). All location pins were on my property but none were precise as to where on the property the photo was taken.

I agree with you that it seems like an unsafe location. Uneven terrain, gravel, slippery leaves, navigated in at least partial darkness along the side of the house in the middle of the night. It’s possible that was the requested drop location and the dasher chose to comply. We just don’t know. That detail has not been disclosed and I don’t consider the drop-off coordinates definitive evidence. JMO.

 

[Zinn]

Moscow's one of the safest cities inside one of the safest states. Pretty sure people there mostly operated on that knowledge and feeling, rightly or wrongly.

There’s the issue of feeling safe from other human beings and then there’s the issue of physical safety and associated liability for injury.

The few times I’ve ordered DD at something like 8:00pm or 6:00am, I’ve received an automated pop-up notification to remind me to be sure the area is well lit for the arriving dasher (they don’t send this reminder during daylight hours). If there was a request to deliver to the slider, adequate lighting would have been especially important at a place like 1122 that had a significant incline to be navigated along the sides of the house. That does not mean a customer might not make an unreasonable/unsafe request and ignore the pop-up about lighting. Also does not mean a dasher might not choose to comply with an unreasonable or unsafe request upon arrival. JMO.

 

[Ghostwheel]

We do not know for certain, but according to Gray Hughes' podcast, based on coordinates printed from DD, it APPEARS that delivery was perhaps made to rear slider, which, in a way, does make sense, as that is the level that XK's room was on. If delivery had been made to front door, she would had to have gone downstairs and perhaps awoken BF. I am sure that we will learn during trial, if not before. JMO

Jumping off this post because it mentions Coordinates. GPSr coordinates are not exact. Ask anyone who has been geocaching. They are typically Accurate to within around 10-16 feet, but it also depends on buildings, trees, satellite location, etc). Just spitballing some measurements, if the front door to house corner were 20 ft and the corner to slider were 10 feet, then on the diagonal from front door (as the crow flies using the hypotenuse of a triangle, because GPS doesn't take into consideration elevation) to slider is around 22 ft. Within the margin of error IMO.

 

[SteveP]

For anyone interested in looking at this, it was posted, earlier, and is Gray Hughes' thoughts about the DD delivery. Interesting 20-minute piece. JMO

 

[katydid23]

right. I read some prior posts about not seeing any a smart watches on any of the victims in available photos. I wonder what made KG's dad say that they believe KG was asleep at 3am and why. Trial reveal of course.

I'm guessing that Dad deduced that they were both asleep by 3 because they had been drunk-dialing Jack up until then---and there's nothing else in that room but that bed. So the two were probably laying on the bed while calling and leaving him messages---then there were no more calls or texts after 3 am?

So it makes sense that they drifted off to sleep around 3, imo. But it is not solid proof, so who knows?

 

[Warwick7]

For anyone interested in looking at this, it was posted, earlier, and is Gray Hughes' thoughts about the DD delivery. Interesting 20-minute piece. JMO

This video was ABSOLUTELY AMAZING

 

[BeginnerSleuther]

I'm not sure I've seen this standard applied to anyone under these circumstances. They sound devastated on the phone. In mourning. LE probably looked at their hands for injuries, their clothing, assessed the scene, their rooms and made the right call IMO

Even the suspicious husband gets a "come down to the station tonight" or "come down to the station tomorrow morning"

As far as the other students, they weren't there when the crime took place. If LE tried to 'clear crime scenes' by separating everyone who is in and around it hours and hours after the fact that would be a complete waste of resources and time.

If caveats exist, this is the time.

MOO

I disagree. Two of them were in the house at the time of the crime. The other two were there before police. To preserve their individual memories of what happened, what they heard, what they saw, they should have been separated.

MOO.

 

[Warwick7]

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[Warwick7]

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[Sachi]

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Wow. No more posts after Kohberger was arrested, very coincidental indeed. The sheath knowledge prior to release and commenters that picked up on something strange, red flag

 

[twall]

Jumping off this post because it mentions Coordinates. GPSr coordinates are not exact. Ask anyone who has been geocaching. They are typically Accurate to within around 10-16 feet, but it also depends on buildings, trees, satellite location, etc). Just spitballing some measurements, if the front door to house corner were 20 ft and the corner to slider were 10 feet, then on the diagonal from front door (as the crow flies using the hypotenuse of a triangle, because GPS doesn't take into consideration elevation) to slider is around 22 ft. Within the margin of error IMO.

Agree, I once had a sheriff deputy show up at my front front door guided by GPS for a 911 hang up call from my across the road neighbor. Her young grandson who was playing with her phone dialed it. Deputy told me the # and I had it in my phone so I told him where it came from.

 

[Observe_dont_Absorb]

Wow. No more posts after Kohberger was arrested, very coincidental indeed. The sheath knowledge prior to release and commenters that picked up on something strange, red flag

JMO but I think it was him ... or possibly undercover intelligence trying to provoke or bait / lure the killer.

My only downside on that is was BK known for using FB? He doesn't seem to be the demographic 'wine moms'? I'm not on FB so I don't know if people use it or not any more.

 

[Warwick7]

Wow. No more posts after Kohberger was arrested, very coincidental indeed. The sheath knowledge prior to release and commenters that picked up on something strange, red flag

Yes!!
And the other posts I found on the internet gave me the heebie jeebies.

 

[mickey2942]

Moscow's one of the safest cities inside one of the safest states. Pretty sure people there mostly operated on that knowledge and feeling, rightly or wrongly.

Moscow, ID "was" one of the safest cities. I bet a lot of security cameras, home alarm systems, and definitely stronger locks on windows and doors, plus vigilance in locking the doors, has probably increased since the quadruple murders.

It was safe, until it wasn't.

 

[crhedBngr]

I keep returning to thoughts of the DD delivery, and how much difference approximately five minutes made in this horror night. Had DD arrived at 4:04, instead of 3:59, as we have been shown, he (assuming it was a male) would have arrived almost simultaneously to BK. Would BK have stayed in his car, awaiting the departure of the visitor? Would he have circled the block yet again? Would he have given up for the night and driven back home, with plans for "next time"? Suppose he had already exited his car and DD driver had come up on him while going to back slider . Would DD driver have been a casualty? Would he have been the first casualty? Suppose the delivery had been a very few minutes later, after BK was already in the house? What might he have heard? What might he have seen? Might he have seen BK fleeing the house? Might he have seen BK removing his balaclava and coveralls? Might he have seen the bloody knife? BK likely, by the time he exited through the slider, had no energy left to attack a wide-awake DD driver? If BK feared the driver had seen him, would he have fled quickly before changing his clothing?

So many things might have happened differently in that ten minute time period, depending on a different arrival of the delivery. I am sure the DD driver has pondered many of these things as well, and I believe that he was close enough to being a potential victim that he may have nightmares still. I would be surprised if he still does late-night DD deliveries. I know that I could not. JMO

RBBM

Depending on where BK was parked, if the DD walked (or drove) past him, BK would be looking at his phone.

So, the DD person would see nothing out of he ordinary, just someone texting, reading texts or whatever.

JMVHO.