4 Univ of Idaho Students Murdered, Bryan Kohberger Arrested, Moscow, Nov 2022 #103

[SteveP]

As always, balancing pros and cons.

On the one hand it is a shaky ground because most “weird” killers might have these traits. Dahmer, Keys, our school shooters. Even Oswald, MOO.
Not only this, strange interests and behaviors, like…interest in bodies? So it might be in “the murder suits him” area.

On the other hand, such people might indeed be manipulated by a group.

A tendency to make off-color jokes might be misunderstood by others. Or, OCD tendencies that bothered BK’s family when he got back…but could his family share the same traits and hence, lack the capacity to interpret the behavior in the correct way?

So I would have trouble knowing what to do with it. Could BK, a loner, probably frustrated but having no clue how to approach people, take it on the world, especially on women? For sure.

Could he be a “too convenient” scapegoat? Yes, he could.

A very tough case and a tough line of defense. I would try the angle of being non-local as potentially predisposing to “un-preferential treatment”. Why did they dig through heaven and hell to identify his DNA and yet neglected other male DNAs found in the house that, place-wise, could have had more relevance?

Respectfully, how could ANY DNA found in the house have more relevance that DNA found on a vital part of a knife sheath that was found IN THE BED of a murdererd victim, a sheath made to fit a knife that was almost certainly used to commit the murder. And the fact that LE went, in your words "through heaven and hell to identify his DNA" shows that they were absolutely not looking for a scapegoat. We know there was a DD delivery made to the house mere moments before the murders. Seems if they were looking for a scapegoat, we might be discussing that driver instead of BK.

If the suggestion is that blood spot on the rail going down to the first floor is what is being considered more relevant, I would only ask that if there is ANY link at all, or ANY suggestion at all, that has come out, that the killer, at ANY time, went down those stairs, please share it with us. All we have heard is that the killer exited the second floor slider, without ever going to the first floor.

As to any thought that the defense should argue that BK may have received un-preferential treatment because he was not local, I find that extremely unlikely to be well-received. The city has a population of about 25,000, and about 11,000 are students, with about 30% being out-of-state residents. I doubt that any college town's officials, including Moscow's, are predisposed to "un-preferential" treatment of a sizeable portion of its population, because they chose to come to the city to attend university. JMO

 

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[MeadowMuffin]

On the 48 Hours Idaho murder, KG's mother said her and her husband got on FB. They could see MM's posts. They could also see all the many many times BK "liked" her posts. Since that is the case, he was known for using FB.

Yes, he was known for using Facebook.

On Nancy Grace's broadcast,I Am Blank, a friend since 8th grade is scrolling through Facebook Messenger messages between he and BK. Photo and name of BK are obscured, but the talk centers on BK's interests.

"I like forensic psychology and studying criminals. I don't care about the money. I would assist in the capture of a violent criminal for sure, but getting a job like that is difficult. I'm thinking more along the lines of dealing with high profile offenders." This is at 19:36.

I'm very hopeful that we will learn at trial exactly what the truth is about how BK (who I am sure is the lone murderer) chose his victims. I can imagine that his computer is a treasure trove of information.

 

[MassGuy]

Haven’t watched this yet:

 

[MassGuy]

Haven’t watched this yet:

Of note, and of course, everything should be taken with a grain of salt:

They know his phone was shut off, and it had “90 something percent battery life.”

“For as smart as he was, he was really stupid.”

 

[mickey2942]

FMiP is not totally precise even now. Still useful to get close.
Some girls came by same thing lost a phone the night before in an Uber. They saw the Uber car found the driver's house, but the gos was a little off. 40 ft or so.

Yes, it is based on the position of the cellphone tower, satellite. It is actually based on "more of less", take the point, x 3.14, often it can be be within 100 feet or more or less, x 3.14, which is really a radius. So, 3,140 feet within the pinpoint. Which is roughly over 1,000 yards.

Which is pretty huge area. I have seen it often when people drop a pin for their location, and instead of the pin on the CA-5, it is actually dropped at a neighborhood on the other side of the highway, behind a large wall.

It is also confusing for people who are blind, who "depend" on the geolocation using a talking GPS. It is helpful, but not 100% accurate.

It is confusing, sometimes it is spot on. Other times, it is across the street and a house down.

 

[Arkay]

We know there was a DD delivery made to the house mere moments before the murders. Seems if they were looking for a scapegoat, we might be discussing that driver instead of BK.

Very good point.

I think about that Door Dash delivery person a lot. I presume it was a male,
owing to it being 4 in the morning.

From his perspective, he must have been terrified when he found out what happened.

One, because he may have come within minutes of being another victim; and two, because he would certainly seem initially to be a suspect.


JMO

 

[Megnut]

Haven’t watched this yet:

Little detail per KG's Dad -- BK's battery was at 90% when he turned his phone off.

Proves nothing... but a curiosity all the same.

It tells us he didn't turn it off because the battery was low.

His historical phone data should be interesting...

Just like that big black hole when it's off tells us everything.

(I see I'm late to post this tidbit about the battery but I got a late start watching the video and posted before catching up. It's okay. I'm late to a lot of parties.)

JMO

 

[Deleted member 358582]

Little detail per KG's Dad -- BK's battery was at 90% when he turned his phone off.

Proves nothing... but a curiosity all the same.

It tells us he didn't turn it off because the battery was low.

His historical phone data should be interesting...

Just like that big black hole when it's off tells us everything.

JMO

I'm actually gonna watch tonight,I also think there is another Documentary on Hulu that is new!

 

[Boxer]

Yes, it is based on the position of the cellphone tower, satellite. It is actually based on "more of less", take the point, x 3.14, often it can be be within 100 feet or more or less, x 3.14, which is really a radius. So, 3,140 feet within the pinpoint. Which is roughly over 1,000 yards.

Which is pretty huge area. I have seen it often when people drop a pin for their location, and instead of the pin on the CA-5, it is actually dropped at a neighborhood on the other side of the highway, behind a large wall.

It is also confusing for people who are blind, who "depend" on the geolocation using a talking GPS. It is helpful, but not 100% accurate.

It is confusing, sometimes it is spot on. Other times, it is across the street and a house down.

But the point usiually resolves with movement.

 

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[mickey2942]

Little detail per KG's Dad -- BK's battery was at 90% when he turned his phone off.

Proves nothing... but a curiosity all the same.

It tells us he didn't turn it off because the battery was low.

His historical phone data should be interesting...

Just like that big black hole when it's off tells us everything.

(I see I'm late to post this tidbit about the battery but I got a late start watching the video and posted before catching up. It's okay. I'm late to a lot of parties.)

JMO

That was how they solved a murder in Montana. The guy had always had his cellphone on, usually checking voicemail, e mail, except for the 7 hours, within the time frame his girlfriend went missing. Over two years of data, his cellphone was rarely off, except that date. And for several hours.

It was a glaring issue for the defendant, who also had absolutely no alibi for that time frame and date.

I can't remember the case, but it was a conviction, without a body. He obviously buried her somewhere, thinking having his cellphone off would not track his location. Instead, it pretty much nailed him.

 

[tlcya]

Yes!!
And the other posts I found on the internet gave me the heebie jeebies.

whether it was BK or not, that online poster (PR) was creepy AF. JMO

 

[Warwick7]

As always, balancing pros and cons.

On the one hand it is a shaky ground because most “weird” killers might have these traits. Dahmer, Keys, our school shooters. Even Oswald, MOO.
Not only this, strange interests and behaviors, like…interest in bodies? So it might be in “the murder suits him” area.

On the other hand, such people might indeed be manipulated by a group.

A tendency to make off-color jokes might be misunderstood by others. Or, OCD tendencies that bothered BK’s family when he got back…but could his family share the same traits and hence, lack the capacity to interpret the behavior in the correct way?

So I would have trouble knowing what to do with it. Could BK, a loner, probably frustrated but having no clue how to approach people, take it on the world, especially on women? For sure.

Could he be a “too convenient” scapegoat? Yes, he could.

A very tough case and a tough line of defense. I would try the angle of being non-local as potentially predisposing to “un-preferential treatment”. Why did they dig through heaven and hell to identify his DNA and yet neglected other male DNAs found in the house that, place-wise, could have had more relevance?

There is no evidence that the alleged blood found elseware in that house happened the night of the murder. It could have been there months and months prior. This is a home where many young people come and go. It was also located in a part of the house where people coming and going would actually be.

As for the sheath. It had no business being in a private bedroom. KB's dna had no business being in a private bedroom there.

 

[Charlot123]

There is no evidence that the alleged blood found elseware in that house happened the night of the murder. It could have been there months and months prior. This is a home where many young people come and go. It was also located in a part of the house where people coming and going would actually be.

As for the sheath. It had no business being in a private bedroom. KB's dna had no business being in a private bedroom there.

Really?

Idaho college murders update: 3-person mixture of unknown DNA found under fingernails of Madison Mogen, filing shows | 6abc.com

A%20three-person%20mixture%20of%20unknown%20DNA%20was%20found%20under%20one%20of%20the%20Idaho%20college%20murders%20victim's%20fingernails%2C%20a%20new%20filing%20reveals.

6abc.com

I assume it doesn't stay under nails for too long, does it?

 

[Charlot123]

Respectfully, how could ANY DNA found in the house have more relevance that DNA found on a vital part of a knife sheath that was found IN THE BED of a murdererd victim, a sheath made to fit a knife that was almost certainly used to commit the murder. And the fact that LE went, in your words "through heaven and hell to identify his DNA" shows that they were absolutely not looking for a scapegoat. We know there was a DD delivery made to the house mere moments before the murders. Seems if they were looking for a scapegoat, we might be discussing that driver instead of BK.

If the suggestion is that blood spot on the rail going down to the first floor is what is being considered more relevant, I would only ask that if there is ANY link at all, or ANY suggestion at all, that has come out, that the killer, at ANY time, went down those stairs, please share it with us. All we have heard is that the killer exited the second floor slider, without ever going to the first floor.

As to any thought that the defense should argue that BK may have received un-preferential treatment because he was not local, I find that extremely unlikely to be well-received. The city has a population of about 25,000, and about 11,000 are students, with about 30% being out-of-state residents. I doubt that any college town's officials, including Moscow's, are predisposed to "un-preferential" treatment of a sizeable portion of its population, because they chose to come to the city to attend university. JMO

"In the house" was a polite form. Under the nails. Link in my answer to the poster above yours.

Idaho college murders update: 3-person mixture of unknown DNA found under fingernails of Madison Mogen, filing shows | 6abc.com

A%20three-person%20mixture%20of%20unknown%20DNA%20was%20found%20under%20one%20of%20the%20Idaho%20college%20murders%20victim's%20fingernails%2C%20a%20new%20filing%20reveals.

6abc.com

 

[Charlot123]

The DNA on the knife sheath beside the murdered victim trumps all other DNA.

JMO

Not under the victim's nails?

 

[gremlin444]

Not under the victim's nails?

So far, I haven't seen any details regarding whether the DNA under the nails came from actual bits of scraped skin like you would get if MM had scratched her assailant or if it was from swabs of the fingernails themselves without any bits of scraped off skin.

 

[SteveP]

"In the house" was a polite form. Under the nails. Link in my answer to the poster above yours.

Idaho college murders update: 3-person mixture of unknown DNA found under fingernails of Madison Mogen, filing shows | 6abc.com

A%20three-person%20mixture%20of%20unknown%20DNA%20was%20found%20under%20one%20of%20the%20Idaho%20college%20murders%20victim's%20fingernails%2C%20a%20new%20filing%20reveals.

6abc.com

Testing of the three-person mixture of DNA found under MM's fingernails came back inconclusive. Nowhere is it stated that any of the DNA was from a male. Defense attorney says that BK was excluded from being a contributor, but that would be known if none of the DNA was from a male. We can logically assume that two of the contributors were MM, herself, and likely KG, who was sharing a bed with her, and the third could have been anyone, female or possibly male as well, that she had made contact with over the previous hours. She and KG had spent about 3 hours at the corner bar, and we know she interacted with andhugged at least one male during the Grub Truck video. There is nothing pointing to the DNA being an unknown male, and it almost certainly is not male DNA, as the DEFENSE wants the results kept from the jury. Don't you think if there was a chance that they could show," hey, look at this male DNA under MM's fingernailst. There's your likely killer", they would definitely want it admitted into evidence. Just another big nothing, like almost everything else the defense has. JMO

 

[tlcya]

Really?

Idaho college murders update: 3-person mixture of unknown DNA found under fingernails of Madison Mogen, filing shows | 6abc.com

A%20three-person%20mixture%20of%20unknown%20DNA%20was%20found%20under%20one%20of%20the%20Idaho%20college%20murders%20victim's%20fingernails%2C%20a%20new%20filing%20reveals.

6abc.com

I assume it doesn't stay under nails for too long, does it?

and yet your link states that the defense wants the DNA from beneath Madison's fingernails to be EXCLUDED from trial. They are concerned that this DNA, which does not belong to BK, might confuse jurors who might mistakenly think it belongs to him.

One would think if the defense is looking to advance an alternate suspect theory they would be begging to make sure that DNA was IN and not OUT at trial, yes? As a way to suggest jurors should discount the sheath DNA because - look, there was other DNA on her person, beneath her nails.

And then the state would argue that that DNA mixture could have ended up there a million normal logical non murdery ways. But at least the jury would hear it and who knows maybe buy that it somehow relates to the murders.

But circling back to my point, the defense wants it out, so is it your theory that the mixed DNA from beneath Mogen's nails contains DNA from the "real" killer?

In a motion filed last Monday, the defense asked that the DNA evidence be kept from the jury in Kohberger's upcoming death penalty trial because jurors could believe the DNA is Kohberger's, and according to the defense, it is not.

Idaho college murders update: 3-person mixture of unknown DNA found under fingernails of Madison Mogen, filing shows | 6abc.com