4 Univ of Idaho Students Murdered, Bryan Kohberger Arrested, Moscow, Nov 2022 #103

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I've just realised what that selfie reminds me of.

Derek Rosa.

I wonder if Rosa was aware of this case, and if it featured in his precrime fantasies.

MOO

JMO: Derek Rosa, as well as Natalie Rupnow, might have been influenced by adult, possibly unknown to them, persons on SM. Both sent selfies - one, to a “friend” after killing his mom, and another one took a selfie before the shooting. To me these selfies look like “reports”. I wonder if both were “encouraged” by someone else.

Now, I have my questions about BK. Definitely the case is not that straightforward. But given that he was basically “advertising” his interests on Reddit, could he, too, be “encouraged” by someone? Personality-wise, he is not unlike Rosa, even if in another age group.
 
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I doubt many people watch and record events during trials for shoplifters or litterbugs. :-)
MOO
Well shoplifters and litterbugs aren't dealing with a DP charge either, where their lawyers may want to say they're either insane or not competent to stand trial for some other mental reason, so they're not held culpable for murder. MO
 
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JMO: Derek Rosa, as well as Natalie Rupnow, might have been influenced by adult, possibly unknown to them, persons on SM. Both sent selfies - one, to a “friend” after killing his mom, and another one took a selfie before the shooting. To me these selfies look like “reports”. I wonder if both were “encouraged” by someone else.

Now, I have my questions about BK. Definitely the case is not that straightforward. But given that he was basically “advertising” his interests on Reddit, could he, too, be “encouraged” by someone? Personality-wise, he is not unlike Rosa, even if in another age group.
I don't think the urge to memorialise in the immediate aftermath requires outside influence or an audience.

MOO
 
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I don't think the urge to memorialise in the immediate aftermath requires outside influence or an audience.

MOO

Perhaps not. Yet I wonder if the trend exists.
 
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Of course you are free to disagree. But IMO and in the results of psychology research, studying human behavior may lead to an intellectual understanding but does not necessarily lead a person to have insight into his/her own behavior. People may be drawn to study certain fields hoping to gain self-insight but that doesn't mean it happens. And it's certainly true we all have occasional "blind spots" & don't understand how we come across to others.
MOO
The court wants to know if an individual knows the difference between right and wrong, does the defendant know murder is wrong, are they competent? Those are very simple concepts to diagnose. Can someone stand trial?

Then after all is said and done by trial and conviction, any mitigating details (medical and psychological) get considered then.

AJMO
 
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JMO: Derek Rosa, as well as Natalie Rupnow, might have been influenced by adult, possibly unknown to them, persons on SM. Both sent selfies - one, to a “friend” after killing his mom, and another one took a selfie before the shooting. To me these selfies look like “reports”. I wonder if both were “encouraged” by someone else.

Now, I have my questions about BK. Definitely the case is not that straightforward. But given that he was basically “advertising” his interests on Reddit, could he, too, be “encouraged” by someone? Personality-wise, he is not unlike Rosa, even if in another age group.

I have always wondered this. If he was inspired or encouraged by someone he'd made contact with? Mentored? It's well known that many dominant personalities (abusers and bullies) are hierarchical in their thinking and are able to admire the person they view to be 'above' them.

We can probably see this in BK's interactions, he was harsh and unforgiving on his juniors / peers at uni but maybe the reason his tutor (the one who recommended him) thought he was a great prospect is because he was hardworking and respectful for her.

Did he send that photo to someone? Will we be able to know that from his phone records?

JMO MOO
 
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BBM
Well, he could perceive acquiring an associate degree in psychology. And he received a bachelor’s degree from DeSales University. Lest we forget he was a Ph.D. criminology student. Apart from that, KB also worked as a teaching assistant at Washington State University’s Pullman campus.

In M00 that takes alot of serious perceiving.

It's kinda like an oxymoron.

He studied, analyzed, examined, evaluated, tested, and was well educated. Yet, we are to believe he may not perceive the seriousness of his situation due to his condition.

That's like saying: I love apples but, I don't like them very much. JMO

If it indeed was him, I think something different happened.

He was studying online. Alone and with the computer.

But with lots of graphic material of a pretty unpleasant type.

I assume that some people can get obsessed and preoccupied, in the process, with the gruesome images, bodies, all such things. That they get excited, almost “high”, when thinking of them?
 
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I have always wondered this. If he was inspired or encouraged by someone he'd made contact with? Mentored? It's well known that many dominant personalities (abusers and bullies) are hierarchical in their thinking and are able to admire the person they view to be 'above' them.

We can probably see this in BK's interactions, he was harsh and unforgiving on his juniors / peers at uni but maybe the reason his tutor (the one who recommended him) thought he was a great prospect is because he was hardworking and respectful for her.

Did he send that photo to someone? Will we be able to know that from his phone records?

JMO MOO

There are online groups let by people who really enjoy control over human lives, in all forms. Some of them we often read about. Someone’s kid fell victim to one group. Instructions and all.

People like Rosa or Rupnow probably feel both desperate and angry. We don’t know where they posted; if they did, they marked themselves as vulnerable kids. Whether they kill others or themselves, there is control.

But with BK, who is an adult, the strategy would be different; an answer online, people befriend one another and discover a similar hobby. Maybe it was presented as “a long-distance pact”, “you do it in your town, and I’ll do it in mine”. “We’ll read about each other’s feats.”

IRL, the other person probably doesn’t plan to do anything, he enjoys control and even more control by proxy.

But BK’s question, “did you arrest anyone else?”, can’t get out of my mind. Perhaps he expected the “long-distance buddy” to be arrested and thought, maybe he snitched on me, this is how LE found me?

One can see many twists, and if BK were not caught, he could continue, too.

The issue is, I don’t believe that BK is going to plead guilty. If he does. we may know more, but with modern technology, some things are not recovered.
 
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Some people just don't care what others think and are also antisocial because that's their personality. Some have medical mind issues contributing to that behavior and some just choose such behavior because that's the way they tick. I wonder why the D's experts report on BK's mental evaluations is missing so many important details that the P had to file a motion to obtain them? That could be the real question here. Maybe the report's vagueness is intentional and not just careless? AJMO
Exactly, I want to see validated proof (even though it doesn't mitigate BK's actions that night) that this was something that was well documented , as much as any psychological disorder can be, from childhood as the Defense claims.

Will there be MRI imaging scans of BK's brain taken long before the murders presented at trial? There are many people with the same diagnosis that live fulfilling and successful lives. Neither is a pass for committing quadruple homicide. BK was competent, and aware of the act and consequences of his actions that night in Moscow. He planned accordingly.

Hail Mary Pass by the Defense IMO.
 
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Maybe he owned more pillows than pillowcases?
 
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Maybe he owned more pillows than pillowcases?
I just thought it was strange that there was no pillowcase. And of course since it's the middle of the night and I can't sleep, it sent me on google dive of OCD and pillowcases. Lol!!

I wish I hadn't. Lol!!
 
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With alleged OCD wouldn't he want the case on the pillow?
Wasn't there a small 'reddish brown stain' found on the pillow? If so, BK could have taken all the bed linens so LE would be unable to obtain his DNA, but why would he leave the pillow? I personally don't think BK ever planned on returning to WSU after the winter break.

Thinking the stain on the pillow case transferred thru to the pillow at some point. I don't find that particularly strange, it could have come from BK scratching his face (zit - gross I know) or any type of small head/ facial or even hand wound.

JMO

P.S. - Do we know if bed linens were listed on the SW return for the apartment?
 
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I just thought it was strange that there was no pillowcase. And of course since it's the middle of the night and I can't sleep, it sent me on google dive of OCD and pillowcases. Lol!!

I wish I hadn't. Lol!!
Been down many rabbit holes myself.

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I just thought it was strange that there was no pillowcase. And of course since it's the middle of the night and I can't sleep, it sent me on google dive of OCD and pillowcases. Lol!!

I wish I hadn't. Lol!!

OCD can come in any form. The rituals have the goal of protecting you from your biggest fear happening. The biggest fear, ultimately, is loss of control. If he once slept without a pillowcase and the next day would be "happy", he'd start doing it. His choice.

Personally, I'd rather wash the pillows more often then change pillowcases and leave pillows unwashed.
 
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The court wants to know if an individual knows the difference between right and wrong, does the defendant know murder is wrong, are they competent? Those are very simple concepts to diagnose. Can someone stand trial?

Then after all is said and done by trial and conviction, any mitigating details (medical and psychological) get considered then.

AJMO
I think you may be confusing competence and insanity. The test for competence is does the person understand the charges against him? Can he currently aid in his defense? The test is not knowing right from wrong at the time of the crime. That applies to an insanity defense, a defense not allowed in Idaho.
MOO
 
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I have always wondered this. If he was inspired or encouraged by someone he'd made contact with? Mentored? It's well known that many dominant personalities (abusers and bullies) are hierarchical in their thinking and are able to admire the person they view to be 'above' them.

We can probably see this in BK's interactions, he was harsh and unforgiving on his juniors / peers at uni but maybe the reason his tutor (the one who recommended him) thought he was a great prospect is because he was hardworking and respectful for her.

Did he send that photo to someone? Will we be able to know that from his phone records?

JMO MOO
The State will have detailed information for everything on Bryan's phone including that bizzaro selfie no doubt. IMO
 
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